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BISHOP HALTS HOMILIES BY MIDWEST PRIEST WITH STRONG CONTENTIONS, BIG FOLLOWING
Spirit Daily ^ | March 3, 2006 | Mike Brown

Posted on 03/03/2006 8:40:09 AM PST by NYer

Father Altier in the sanctuary of Saint Agnes

We note that the Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, Minnesota, for all practical purposes, has silenced a priest named Father Robert Altier. It is an interesting action, at several levels. We find it noteworthy at the same time that, as always, we urge obedience.

Father Altier is a rare one indeed, at 45 a relatively young priest who unabashedly speaks strong stuff -- including prophetic stuff, and including exposes of alleged wrongdoing -- from the pulpit. As it was, he had been relegated, at the Church of St. Agnes, in the city of St. Paul, to the 6:30 a.m. Mass (although the church's website disseminated his homilies).

On weekdays, it has been the six a.m. shift -- a Mass that regularly attracts between 75 and a hundred despite the early hour. Some of his homilies, including a recent one, have been surprisingly open in their criticism of bishops.

He may be a bit strong, and naturally we're not sure of all his views (we all have different ideas), but so popular and unusual have been his homilies that for a while now they have been disseminated over the internet via a website called "A Voice in the Desert." That website has now announced the bishop's closure.

"In obedient compliance with the expressed written request of Most Reverend Harry J. Flynn, Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA [left], Father Altier’s homilies and spiritual presentations can no longer be published on www.desertvoice.org or broadcast on Relevant Radio," says the website. "Please be assured that this action of the archbishop is not related to any scandal or sexual misconduct on the part of Father Robert Altier. We regret any inconvenience and humbly ask for your prayers."

Father Altier has expressed a number of views that some in mainstream Catholicism consider strong and controversial. We have contacted the diocese for comment.

"They say you can't preach like that because the collection will go down," said Father Altier, who is a third-order Carmelite and who before becoming a priest, at age 28, had attained a degree in computer programming.

But his "tell-it-like-he-sees-it" approach, he says, has not hurt. "Parishioners seem to be fine with it, but I'm not sure other priests like it," he told Spirit Daily a while ago. "Priests are into materialism and worldliness. And if you want the material, you can't have the spiritual. Priests have gotten into a lot of worldliness."

As a local newspaper notes, Altier is a prominent voice in conservative Catholic circles and has spoken out against a sex-abuse prevention program being taught throughout the archdiocese, including to schoolchildren. He says the program is too explicit. Such programs were mandated in all dioceses by U.S. bishops as part of their response to the clergy abuse crisis.

It is Father Alitier's contention that there is a simple and real truth behind scandal. "I got sick and tired of all the lies. I just laid it out. There are three groups that have infiltrated the Church, the Masons, the Communists, and the homosexuals, who came in 1924," he alleges. "85 percent of all the abuse cases are homosexual. There is rank homosexuality. Homosexuals chose the best and brightest and best looking and put them into the priesthood."

As for our times, Father Altier views it as relating to the Gospel reading on cleaning the temple -- but this time with the Blessed Mother, who will "clean it like a woman, not like Jesus did (when He threw out the merchants); she is being more deliberate and every nook and cranny will be cleansed," he says insightfully. "When it is done, it will "not be pretty but it will be immaculate.

"I have been speaking about this since the early 1980s, but after 9/11, I said, 'Now the birth pangs have begun.'"

They are like labor pains that will get closer together and more intense, contends the priest, who spends hours each day in front of the Blessed Sacrament.

Why is he controversial? And why do people -- including many priests -- reject the idea of purification?

"I think because people don't want to deal with sin," he says. "The loss of the sense of sin is one of the great tragedies of our time. They don't want to deal with the idea that God would allow any kind of purification. We focus on His mercy so much that we forget His justice. The devil is resisting the idea of chastisement. If we can explain it scientifically, it denies the spirituality of an event, and what the devil desires most is to remain hidden. Certainly he is going to be involved in some of these things, whether directly or from chaos at spiritual level. He is inspiring chaos at spiritual level.

"And some of it -- wars as well as storms -- we are doing to ourselves. Nature reflects the chaos in the spiritual order. You see that right from the Garden of Eden. There was peace until they sinned, and that continues. The chaos that we see -- the storms and tsunamis -- continue to get more intense and closer together and it is because sin is getting worse. We can't keep killing babies and violating human dignity and think that nothing is going to happen to us. We're doing it to ourselves. It's a natural consequence of what we're doing."

These days, when it comes to Christianity, he says, "we only want the parts we like."

The priest has also harped on the need for deliverance.

"I did an awful lot of deliverance work, and the bishop shut it down," claimed Father Altier. "He said he didn't want any priest in his diocese doing this."


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1 posted on 03/03/2006 8:40:12 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Coincidentally, this week, Alejandro Bermudez from Catholic News Agency, suddendly shut down his blog - Catholic Outsider. He said his goodbyes, departed and the blog has been completely removed.


2 posted on 03/03/2006 8:42:20 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Thanks for this article, NYer!


3 posted on 03/03/2006 8:43:49 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All
Please Pray for

A Voice in the Desert

UPDATE:   Father Altier's innocence of any impropriety confirmed by Archdiocesan spokesman.



In obedient compliance with the expressed written request of

Most Reverend Harry J. Flynn

Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

Father Altier’s homilies and spiritual presentations
can no longer be published on www.desertvoice.org
or broadcast on Relevant Radio.

Please be assured that this action of the archbishop is not related to any scandal or sexual misconduct on the part of Father Robert Altier.

We regret any inconvenience and humbly ask for your prayers.

All concerns should be directed in a spirit of charity to:

Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis

 Most Reverend Harry J. Flynn
226 Summit Avenue
Saint Paul, MN, USA 55102
(651) 291-4400

communications@archspm.org


4 posted on 03/03/2006 8:45:06 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Posted on Fri, Mar. 03, 2006

Archbishop silences priest's 'Voice'

Flynn forbids online, radio messages

BY STEVE SCOTT
Pioneer Press

The homilies and presentations of a St. Paul priest can no longer be published on his Web site or broadcast on a Catholic radio network by request of the archbishop of St. Paul and Minneapolis, according to the priest's Web site.

The Rev. Robert Altier of St. Agnes Church posted a message Thursday that said: "In obedient compliance with the expressed written request of Most Reverend Harry J. Flynn … Father Altier's homilies and spiritual presentations can no longer be published on www.desertvoice.org or broadcast on Relevant Radio.''

The archdiocese had no comment about the decision, and Altier could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Altier is a prominent voice in conservative Catholic circles and operates a Web site called A Voice in the Desert. He has spoken out against a sex-abuse prevention program being taught throughout the archdiocese, including to schoolchildren. Such programs were mandated in all dioceses by U.S. bishops as part of their response to the clergy abuse crisis.

Opponents — including the Twin Cities-based nonprofit group Catholic Parents Online, of which Altier is the spiritual adviser — say the programs are too explicit for children and usurp parents' roles in teaching their children about sexuality.

Archdiocese spokesman Dennis McGrath could not confirm the reason for Flynn's directive because the archbishop did not discuss any communication he had with Altier. McGrath said no impropriety had occurred. "Any communication between a priest and the archbishop is personal and confidential,'' McGrath said. "But obviously there is a point of disagreement there someplace in his homilies or some of the things on the radio.''

Relevant Radio is at 1330-AM in the Twin Cities.

Steve Scott may be reached at sscott@pioneerpress.com or 651-228-5526.

5 posted on 03/03/2006 8:46:04 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

It is Father Alitier's contention that there is a simple and real truth behind scandal. "I got sick and tired of all the lies. I just laid it out. There are three groups that have infiltrated the Church, the Masons, the Communists, and the homosexuals, who came in 1924," he alleges. "85 percent of all the abuse cases are homosexual. There is rank homosexuality. Homosexuals chose the best and brightest and best looking and put them into the priesthood."

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I guess now we know why he has been silenced. Pray for our Church.


6 posted on 03/03/2006 8:46:27 AM PST by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: NYer

The "big tent" only seems to go one way. This reminds me of Cardinal Egan trying to send Fr. Pavone back to parish work.


7 posted on 03/03/2006 8:47:03 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Bigg Red
Does anyone know how Bishop Harry J. Flynn ranks on teaching the truth other than this? I heard that his or a diocese close to his requires NFP for Pre-Cana.

Just wondering where he is on things other than this.
8 posted on 03/03/2006 8:50:48 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: NYer

To whom do we appeal to have ArchBishop Harry Flynn removed?


9 posted on 03/03/2006 8:51:02 AM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: Aquinasfan

**These days, when it comes to Christianity, he says, "we only want the parts we like."**

May we always be open to the entire Catholic truth -- not just the cafeteria. Amen!


10 posted on 03/03/2006 8:51:38 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aquinasfan; NYer

See my previous and only post, so far. I meant to get all 3 of you.


11 posted on 03/03/2006 8:51:54 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: Solson

Print copy on this page since you cannot listen to the audio.


12 posted on 03/03/2006 8:52:15 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: klossg

He still provides Communion to Rainbow-Sash wearers despite the stance of Cardinal Arinze.


13 posted on 03/03/2006 8:53:11 AM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: Aquinasfan

The "big tent" ideology has no room for the truth. All errors are equal: wrong is wrong is wrong. Hence, there's plenty of room for errors in the big tent. But truth exposes and destroys errors. Truth has no tolerance for error. Likewise, error has no tolerance for truth. Hence, under the big tent truth must be suppressed and cast out. The big tent ideology is itself an error (of relativism and indifferentism). It must be destroyed.


14 posted on 03/03/2006 8:53:40 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer; All
Cached documents still available on Google for any interested.

www.desertvoice.org - Google cache

15 posted on 03/03/2006 8:53:46 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: NYer
Coincidentally, this week, Alejandro Bermudez from Catholic News Agency, suddendly shut down his blog - Catholic Outsider. He said his goodbyes, departed and the blog has been completely removed.

What is happening? I sent an email to ArchBishop Flynn's office yesterday. No response (of course). AB Flynn will be 73 in a few weeks. God bless Fr. Altier. I think he would be an excellent bishop.

16 posted on 03/03/2006 8:54:37 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: NYer
Coincidentally, this week, Alejandro Bermudez from Catholic News Agency, suddendly shut down his blog - Catholic Outsider. He said his goodbyes, departed and the blog has been completely removed.

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Oh, no. This is all very upsetting. I just don't know what to think right now.

17 posted on 03/03/2006 8:55:07 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Solson

The Vatican fills episcopal vacancies.


19 posted on 03/03/2006 8:56:00 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Solson

To God, He is more than capable of doing it.


20 posted on 03/03/2006 8:56:51 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: DBeers

But they all link to the shut-down page.


21 posted on 03/03/2006 8:58:42 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
New marquee message on the shut-down page:

UPDATE:   Father Altier's innocence of any impropriety confirmed by Archdiocesan spokesman.

22 posted on 03/03/2006 8:59:21 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Bigg Red

We had a priest similar to Fr. Altier. Incredibly Orthodox with NO wiggle room. Talk about zero tolerance. I loved him. Many parishoners did not because he didn't tickle their ears and tell them that "God want's them to do whatever they want and not feel bad because he loves them".

Love a priest who calls sin sin.

Prayers for Fr. Altier.


23 posted on 03/03/2006 8:59:32 AM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: seamole

**That means there's still room for more. Pilgrimage time. I think God, through Harry Flynn, may be calling people around the country to go see Fr. Altier in person.**

Great idea!


24 posted on 03/03/2006 9:00:41 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: DarthVader

Great great great point. Thank you.


25 posted on 03/03/2006 9:01:16 AM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: Solson
To whom do we appeal to have ArchBishop Harry Flynn removed?

On what basis?

26 posted on 03/03/2006 9:01:30 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Salvation

Super idea. I'm game.


27 posted on 03/03/2006 9:01:59 AM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: DBeers
Mark to download at home later.
28 posted on 03/03/2006 9:02:27 AM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: Salvation
But they all link to the shut-down page.

-click on the cache link (bolded example below) near the entry for the page you want to see.

www.desertvoice.org/ - 5k - Mar 2, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages

29 posted on 03/03/2006 9:02:37 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
Cached documents still available on Google for any interested.

All non working links. Thanks anyway.

30 posted on 03/03/2006 9:03:45 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
I don't know. I'm just frustrated. Yet another arrow shot towards the faithful by my ArchBishop. He has defied the Vatican on providing Communion to Rainbow-sashers, he's quieting good Priests and he refuses to listen to his faithful if they oppose his questionable stances.

Prayers for him and our Priests.

31 posted on 03/03/2006 9:04:04 AM PST by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: Salvation

That link is to the Twin Cities article posted above.


32 posted on 03/03/2006 9:06:21 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

I saw that when I clicked on the link. Thank you.


33 posted on 03/03/2006 9:07:42 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Solson
To whom do we appeal to have ArchBishop Harry Flynn removed?

The apostolic nuncio.

34 posted on 03/03/2006 9:09:42 AM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: Salvation
**That means there's still room for more. Pilgrimage time. I think God, through Harry Flynn, may be calling people around the country to go see Fr. Altier in person.**

I have been watching this story. Depending upon what we find out in the next few days as to why the Archbishop is doing this, I think you may have hit the nail on the head.

I am reserving judgment, however, until we know more. I am no fan of Archbishop Flynn, however, he has to know that Fr. Altier's audience is huge thanks to the internet.

35 posted on 03/03/2006 9:10:42 AM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: Jaded
Love a priest who calls sin sin.

Come to Troy NY and warm the pew ;-) Awesome priest; totally orthodox catholic homilies - AND - no one to challenge him.

36 posted on 03/03/2006 9:10:44 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer; All
All non working links.

Try these:

www.desertvoice.org - .htm

www.desertvoice.org - .html

37 posted on 03/03/2006 9:14:43 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

If you can find any of the sermons, please post them here on FR - our safe haven for disappearing documents. Thanks.


38 posted on 03/03/2006 9:17:04 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: DBeers

self ping!
Outstanding!


39 posted on 03/03/2006 9:18:01 AM PST by vrwc0915
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To: Aquinasfan

You have to tolerate sin to be favored by the queens at the chancery.


40 posted on 03/03/2006 9:18:05 AM PST by steve8714 (Burn Peugeot, burn.)
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To: Aquinasfan

And when Cardinal Mahony tried to silence Mother Angelica.


41 posted on 03/03/2006 9:18:37 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: klossg

>>>Does anyone know how Bishop Harry J. Flynn ranks on teaching the truth other than this? I heard that his or a diocese close to his requires NFP for Pre-Cana.

He has a reputation as being relatively conservative, and if a recent homily at a funeral was any indication, he seems to be one. However, he has control issues. If a conservative disagrees with him on anything he goes nuts and attacks. Once he makes a decision, even a plainly bad one, he goes to irrational lengths to pretend it was the right one. The Rainbow Sash thing was an example. Arinze explicitly told him to stop. Most dissenters would come back and just ignore Arinze, but not Flynn. He doesn't want to be seen as a dissenter. So, he had to pretend that Arinze agreed with him, and stated as such publicly. Arinze had to issue a statement that made it clear Flynn lied. Very strange.

I don't trust Flynn or his administration. He was supposedly considered for the Cardinal's post in Boston, and I remember having mixed feelings, half hoping he would be removed from Minneapolis/St. Paul (my diocese) and half fearing the damage he would to the Church in Boston.

patent


42 posted on 03/03/2006 9:20:14 AM PST by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: nanetteclaret

Excellent idea.


43 posted on 03/03/2006 9:24:43 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: nanetteclaret; DBeers

This is worth saving:

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:qGF6d_zzSnkJ:www.desertvoice.org/DesertMeditations.htm++site:desertvoice.org+filetype:htm&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1


44 posted on 03/03/2006 9:30:15 AM PST by Deo volente
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To: NYer

I managed to salvage this link to an archive of sermon audio recordings earlier today:

ftp://217.160.246.215/pub/audionet/Desert_Voice/


45 posted on 03/03/2006 9:51:42 AM PST by Ozone34
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To: patent; Solson

Thanks for the information on Flynn. I'll pray for him.


46 posted on 03/03/2006 9:51:55 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: DBeers

There's also the Wayback Machine, though I don't know how many are here:

http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_/http://www.desertvoice.org


47 posted on 03/03/2006 9:56:38 AM PST by kenth (Phil! Phil Connors! I thought that was you!)
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To: Salvation

Apparently, the Archbishop doesn't understand the concept of the Wayback Machine aka the Internet Archive.

Read the homilies here for March 2005 to May 2004:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050323090730/http://www.desertvoice.org/

If you want to read older ones, pick a date here:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.desertvoice.org/


48 posted on 03/03/2006 10:04:38 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Solson
To whom do we appeal to have ArchBishop Harry Flynn removed?

The Grim Reaper.

49 posted on 03/03/2006 10:07:47 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: All
This one (linked from the article) is a must-read. Wanderer readers already know about this, but other folks may not.

Flynn is not doing the Faith any favors by silencing this brave priest; he's trying to save face for himself and other bishops. A bishop with guts (e.g., Bruskewitz) would promote him to Vicar General or something.

50 posted on 03/03/2006 10:12:25 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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