Baptist controversy has tongues tied(Don't ask\Don't tell?)

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[Bear_Slayer]

I firmly believe that Paul was being sarcastic.

It amazes me that so many can take Paul's letter, an essay on not speaking in tongues and twist it to speak in tongues.

[WKB]

I tried to add Religion to the topics and it
says "Religion" unknown. Is that anything like
and unknown tongue?

[RoadTest]

"Can anyone help me find 'private prayer language' in my bible?
"

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;" - Mark 16:17

[Capriole]

When I was a young girl I was taken to both Catholic and Protestant pentacostal meetings where people often spoke in tongues. Everyone else seemed terribly impressed but I could clearly hear that the speakers were saying "Abada babada beebada boobada," in a chant--it was not some unknown language, but gibberish.

On the other hand, we have no right to judge whether or not, during the speaking, there is some powerful interaction going on between the speaker and God. We don't know what is in the speaker's heart and mind; only God does.

[WKB]

I don't see where this falls in the private category

[Coldwater Creek]

I do not agout Dr. Rankin's prayer life, but I do know that he was and excellent pastor.

[pissant]

Hey, we have a local gal that channels a 35,000 year old Atlantian warrior and charges $$ to watch her do it. About the same legitimacy, IMO.

[RoadTest]

"It amazes me that so many can take Paul's letter, an essay on not speaking in tongues and twist it to speak in tongues."

I Corinthians 14:39: "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues."

And this is not just for private prayer but to be spoken out in a congregation where unbelievers might come in: "In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips
will I speak unto this people;
and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. (Is. 28.11, 12)
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not - - "

[WKB]

My nephew and his wife who were raised SB were going to an Assembly of God Church because they like the worship service.
(Which I tend to agree with BTW:>) )
Some one there "spoke in tongues" and he understood what
was said. The preacher then said "OK lets have an interpretation" After several requests from the preacher
he spoke up.
How or why should I argue with that?

[razorbak]

HERESHECOMEONAHONDA, SEEMYBOWTIE TIEMYBOWTIE, OHMYSHIN OHMYKNEE!

[Just mythoughts]

"I do not agout Dr. Rankin's prayer life, but I do know that he was and excellent pastor."


I think this controversy should have been resolved in PRIVATE, I do not know Dr. Rankin, and consider his private prayers just that.

[Zechariah11]

I recently went to a "First Baptist" in conservative Downey, California to visit. I entered when the morning "praise" service was underway.I nev er stayed around to hear the pastor. There was so much -- in your face--emotionalism, jazzed-up, posturing that I made an early exit. It was very offensive.How have these prima donnas, media wannabees pushed out ANY semblance of worship is beyond me.

Also, recently, I drove an hour to visit McGee's old Baptist-like, independent Church of the Open Door Amplified electric guitar music could be heard at least ta block and a half away.away. (Very neighborly)

The point iI'm trying to make is that this mainline Baptist church, typical of many, may not have believed in tongues, but it was jcertainly using charismatic churches set the pattern.

[AlGone2001]

"Therefore, one would think that *if* someone were truly speaking in tongues, rather than sounding like jibberish, EVERYONE would understand them.

"Therefore, I say POPPYCOCK!

"Anyone who claims to speak in tongues, and makes unintelligible sounds, is either faking it, or possessed by something other than the spirit of God."

Does that line up with this passage?:

1 Corinthians 14:2

For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.

[I still care]

I came out of a charismatic tradition and now worship at a church that is not charismatic. I will admit, it lacks a certain fire.

I studied this because I needed to make sense of it for my own Christian walk. I thought the closest author to the truth was Spiros Zodhiates, who is a greek scholar. He writes all kinds of translations and lexicons.

Basically he says the word "tongues" as used by Paul had different meanings based on whether the plural was used or not. The prayer language is not nonsense but he says it is it is self edifying and therefore not for public use. Also it holds up the church to ridicule.

I at times use a private prayer language but it is just that. It brings you into a private place with the Lord. Sort of like sweet icing on cake, it's nice but you can't live on it.

[Hat-Trick]

I thought the author's name made this article a little suspect.

You have no idea how encouraged I am to find another baptist who hasn't lost his sense of humor!

FRegards,

H-T

[festus]

LOL.

[festus]

As a kid one of Mom's friends had a boyfriend named Jim Jones and we used to call him Uncle Jim. When the Jim Jones massacree hit I was a very confused boy for a while till I got it all sorted out and realized there was more than one Jim Jones..... ;-)

[WKB]

You have no idea how encouraged I am to find another baptist who hasn't lost his sense of humor!



We are few and far between but it is one thing
that God has blessed me with.
I don't know if I could make it without it.:>)

[Pablo64]

"Can anyone help me find 'private prayer language' in my bible?"

You won't find the word "piano" either, but there's a whole lot of churches that have them.

The info is there if you really want to search it out and prayerfully consider it, but I would guess from the tone of your comment that you probably aren't really interested in it.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[GB]

My own church, a Southern Baptist church (I attend the church and am a member of the church and was baptized into that denomination, but I do not consider myself a Southern Baptist per se anymore; I don't have a lot of use for denominations, if I'm ever asked that I put "Christian"), is getting just like that, and I don't like it. IMHO, it's because that kind of stuff draws people in, and I think there is an exaggerated emphasis on church growth these days instead of what the actual mission of a church should be.