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Benedict XVI Heresies and Errors
Traditionalmass ^ | March 16, 2006

Posted on 03/23/2006 12:29:49 PM PST by NYer

[+] Benedict XVI Heresies and Errors



TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; fssp; latinmass; novusordo; pope; sspx; tlm; traditionalmass; tridentine; vatican

1 posted on 03/23/2006 12:29:57 PM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Hard to believe that as the Holy Father and Cardinals meet to discuss lifting the excommunication from the SSPX, these articles continue to proliferate on the traditionalist web sites. Perhaps they're not aware of the good news?

Pope Cardinals discuss lifting SSPX excommunication and free use of Latin missal

2 posted on 03/23/2006 12:34:20 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
The keyword "SSPX" should not be associated with this article.

This guy is not associated with the SSPX.

In fact, he couldn't even stay in the SSPV.

He is a sedevacantist "independent."

Wikipedia article

3 posted on 03/23/2006 12:36:29 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: conservativewasp

read tonite


4 posted on 03/23/2006 12:38:28 PM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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To: B Knotts

God save us from believers who are more Catholic than the Pope.


5 posted on 03/23/2006 12:40:53 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer

It's even harder to believe that men who are themselves excommunicated would presume to accuse the Holy Father of heresy. I am well aware that a great many Catholics (myself included) agree with much of what SSPX advocates; however, the methods they have used are really not all that different than those used by heretics throughout history.


6 posted on 03/23/2006 12:41:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: B Knotts

Thanks ... the web site said 'traditionalmass' which I thought fell into one group. Didn't realize it had splintered so much in 40 years.


7 posted on 03/23/2006 12:42:04 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Wait a second... it is the wrong end up! It is the Pope who is supposed to brand others heretics, not the other way around. Besides, isn't he ex officio infallible?


8 posted on 03/23/2006 12:45:44 PM PST by GSlob
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To: wagglebee; NYer

Anyone can tell who commits heresy, simply comparing what they teach with the Magisterial teachings. We are not Church authorities, so we can not sentence anyone, but that should never stop us from exposing heresy for what it is.

At least some do not water down heresy by calling it mere error.

Also, the Catholic Church has never split into groups or factions; people decide to leave the Church by associating with other groups or by adopting beliefs already anathematized.


9 posted on 03/23/2006 12:46:41 PM PST by huskyboy (Introibo ad altare Dei; non ad altare hominis!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Pox on all their houses.


11 posted on 03/23/2006 12:50:34 PM PST by GSlob
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To: NYer

By the way, it's not so much about bringing the Mass back to the dioceses as much as it is holding the Catholic faith. Your original post highlights matters of faith which were the reason why Bishop Sanborn and like-minded people do not want to be in communion with Benedict XVI.

There are some who have questioned the validity of Benedict XVI's episcopal consecration (meaning he would not be a valid pope on those grounds). Just thought you might want to be aware of this.


12 posted on 03/23/2006 1:04:21 PM PST by huskyboy (Introibo ad altare Dei; non ad altare hominis!)
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To: GSlob

I don't get it.


13 posted on 03/23/2006 1:06:11 PM PST by huskyboy (Introibo ad altare Dei; non ad altare hominis!)
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To: huskyboy; NYer
Also, the Catholic Church has never split into groups or factions; people decide to leave the Church by associating with other groups or by adopting beliefs already anathematized.

Yep, you nailed it.

14 posted on 03/23/2006 1:07:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: B-Chan
God save us from believers who are more Catholic than the Pope.

AMEN!!!!

15 posted on 03/23/2006 3:04:45 PM PST by It's me
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To: B Knotts

SSPX, SSPV, Sedevacantist "independent." Is there any real difference among these groups?


16 posted on 03/23/2006 3:33:36 PM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: steadfastconservative

Meaningful to them, less so to us.


17 posted on 03/23/2006 3:43:55 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer
The priests mentioned here are Sedevacantists, and they split off from the SSPX over 20 years ago, so it would be no surprise they would not think anything about a possible reconciliation.

The lesson here for all of us is not to be to quick to jump to conclusions or cast aspersions about different people or groups. Even with people that may be wrong, there is nothing to be gained from the attacks we have here on Free Republic. No one can claim that they are following the lead of the Holy Father by such attacks or by claiming to weigh in on the status of certain groups or people. He hasn't take such an approach, so why should we?

18 posted on 03/23/2006 3:49:52 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: steadfastconservative
Is there any real difference among these groups?

Yes. The SSPX, while in, at minimum, an irregular relationship with Rome, claim to recognize the Pope as valid. They also are quite possibly on the verge of being regularized.

The others do not and are not.

It is true, though, that there are those within the SSPX (which is a society of priests), and some laymen who assist at SSPX chapels who are functional sedevacantists. What proportion are like this, I cannot say.

19 posted on 03/23/2006 4:24:33 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: NYer

Are you intentionally trying to implicate the SSPX in the writings of this nut, Rev. Sanborn, or are you just confusing/obfuscating the issues? He has nothing to do with the SSPX...


20 posted on 03/23/2006 4:39:39 PM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evils)
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To: steadfastconservative

There have been numerous high level contacts between Rome and the SSPX over the last 5-10 years or more and now evidently the Holy Father very much wants a solution with SSPX. I have never seen the others mentioned ever in this way.

On the practical level at least, is that enough of a difference?


21 posted on 03/23/2006 5:01:43 PM PST by Piers-the-Ploughman
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To: vox_freedom
Are you intentionally trying to implicate the SSPX in the writings of this nut, Rev. Sanborn, or are you just confusing/obfuscating the issues? He has nothing to do with the SSPX...

See my post #7.

22 posted on 03/23/2006 7:11:29 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

You know, pulling this BS out wont do anything to prove your point NYer. These arent SSPX sanctioned sites, much less sites sacationed by any Indult mass community.


23 posted on 03/23/2006 7:27:09 PM PST by RFT1
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To: steadfastconservative

Yes, a bit of difference, in terms of the missals they celebrate, all the sdes celebrate the pre 1955 missal, do the fact the SSPX at least nomincally recognise the Pope as the real Pope. Also on the issue of No Slavtion outside the Cathiolic church(EENS), the SSPX has a considerably looser definition.


24 posted on 03/23/2006 7:29:59 PM PST by RFT1
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To: RFT1
You know, pulling this BS out wont do anything to prove your point NYer. These arent SSPX sanctioned sites, much less sites sacationed by any Indult mass community.

See my post #7.

25 posted on 03/23/2006 8:01:08 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Somehow I just knew you would proclaim innocence/ignorance about the intentions of your post. The very real and pending issue is what Pope Benedict XVI might proclaim about the Latin Mass and the SSPX during the next two to three weeks.


26 posted on 03/23/2006 8:19:47 PM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evils)
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To: NYer

The moonbat cult of Lefebvre strikes again.


27 posted on 03/23/2006 8:21:10 PM PST by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: vox_freedom

Moonbat.

Why would NYer post something, and then acknowledge he was incorrect, as a way of asserting that which was incorrect? In the end, he ended up demonstrating that there is a distinction between the SSPX and the real wackos, not a desired outcome if he goal was to use the writings of the real wackos to tar the SSPX, for they end up looking more reasonable!


28 posted on 03/23/2006 10:32:20 PM PST by dangus
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To: NYer

All these are but the schismatic garbage we're usually regaled by those outside the Church who insist, in their delusion, that the Church comes to them and not the other way around.

None of these articles are to be taken seriously.

-Theo


29 posted on 03/23/2006 10:40:21 PM PST by Teˇfilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Teˇfilo
All these are but the schismatic garbage we're usually regaled by those outside the Church who insist, in their delusion, that the Church comes to them and not the other way around.

None of these articles are to be taken seriously.

To be sure, everyone, after spending months away from here and reading, I fully understand why the SSPX is schismatic. There are sedes who would agree with you on this.

However, it is also noted that one can go into schism via heresy. For example, one who says that contraception is permitted, the sacraments are not necessary for salvation, the Blessed Virgin Mary was conceived with original sin, etc., commits heresy and goes into schism for denying infallible Catholic dogmas, which are defined by. . . the Apostolic See.

By the way, I'm doing research on and off nowadays regarding the 1958 conclave and later events connected to it. There is enough evidence out there to prove that Cardinal Siri was elected as successor to Pope Pius XII and was known as Pope Gregory XVII, and a non-canonical election followed because a faction including closet masons and Communists (and sympathizers) were opposed to the result of the first.

I would not blame those who weren't aware of this, but are at least protecting the faithful from teachings foreign to Catholicism.

30 posted on 03/26/2006 4:54:02 PM PST by huskyboy (Introibo ad altare Dei; non ad altare hominis!)
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