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POPE: VIRGIN MARY SAVED POPE JOHN PAUL'S LIFE IN ST. PETER'S
AGI ^ | March 26, 2006

Posted on 03/26/2006 3:50:13 PM PST by NYer

(AGI) - Vatican, March 25 - During the whole 26 years that Pope John Paul II served as pontiff, "everyone was quite aware of the presence of the Virgin Mary as Mother and Queen of the Church during his spirituality and his untiring inistry". But, said the new pontiff, "this presence was most obvious during the attack on his life in St. Peter's Square on May 13, 1981". This was a bold statement from Pope Benedict XVI this morning to the new cardinals and all Catholics on the role the Virgin played in deviating Ali Agca's bullet. He made it during the mass at the close of his first Consistory. In fact, it is widely known that the Polish Pope maintained that the prophecy of the third secret of Fatima was consigned to him, the description of a bishop dressed in white lying in a pool of blood.

On that occasion, Joseph Ratzinger was the regional head (or prefect) of the Holy See and had to explain the Pope's thinking to the public and make it clear that this interpretation was not a dogma of the Catholic faith. And today, looking at the window that is now his after the previous pope's papacy, Benedict XVI added, "in memory of that tragic event, Pope John Paul II wanted a mosaic of the Virgin to be placed high above the Apostolic Palace, overlooking St. Peter's Square. It would be there as a reminder of both the highlights and the more everyday moments of his long papacy, which entered its final phase precisely a year ago, a phase that was simultaneously painful and triumphant, in a way that is appropriate at Easter".


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KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; bvm; fatima; jpii; pope; vatican
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1 posted on 03/26/2006 3:50:16 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

Is the mosaic going up?


2 posted on 03/26/2006 3:53:50 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: NYer

**This was a bold statement from Pope Benedict XVI this morning to the new cardinals and all Catholics on the role the Virgin played in deviating Ali Agca's bullet. **

We all knew that Pope John Paul II had an undying love for the Blessed Mother.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 3:55:45 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
I'm going to be posting this link at all the junctures that bring up the life and death of John Paul II -- hope it is OK with you.

John Paul II Gallery of Pictures [Photos]

4 posted on 03/26/2006 3:57:35 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
And today, looking at the window that is now his after the previous pope's papacy, Benedict XVI added, "in memory of that tragic event, Pope John Paul II wanted a mosaic of the Virgin to be placed high above the Apostolic Palace, overlooking St. Peter's Square.

Would be most obliged if someone could post the graphic of that image. Thank you!

5 posted on 03/26/2006 3:57:48 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Where
6 posted on 03/26/2006 4:07:14 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer

I posted the graphic I posted not having read message 5...not connected...


7 posted on 03/26/2006 4:09:05 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer

Were there any eyewitnesses? Or are we required to take JPII's word for it? Just wondering.


8 posted on 03/26/2006 4:12:33 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: NYer
Here is a detail of the mosaic. I'll keep looking for a full photo.

detail of mosaic image of the Blessed Virgin Mary in St. Peter's Square

9 posted on 03/26/2006 4:15:53 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

I should add that the picture I found is of a Vatican telephone card and that the text in the lower left corner isn't actually part of the mosaic.


10 posted on 03/26/2006 4:18:37 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

That's it! Thank you so very much.


11 posted on 03/26/2006 4:39:56 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Were there any eyewitnesses? Or are we required to take JPII's word for it? Just wondering.

Yes ... the entire world.

12 posted on 03/26/2006 4:52:28 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Yes ... the entire world.

Lie.

13 posted on 03/26/2006 5:20:50 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

What's your problem?
You didn't see the video of the Pope getting shot, in 1981, so it didn't happen?


14 posted on 03/26/2006 5:33:35 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: NYer

John Paul II fervently believed that Our Lady of Lourdes saved his life. There's nothing controversial about Pope Benedict's stating the same belief.


15 posted on 03/26/2006 5:36:40 PM PST by Tax-chick (May I suggest a restorative adult beverage? Perhaps something Australian?)
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To: NYer

Totus Tuus! I sure miss him.


16 posted on 03/26/2006 5:39:12 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: G Larry
What's your problem? You didn't see the video of the Pope getting shot, in 1981, so it didn't happen?

Actually I'm waiting for someone to post unedited and unairbrushed photos of Mary stopping a bullet.

17 posted on 03/26/2006 5:46:45 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: G Larry

I wont' be waiting too long, will I?


18 posted on 03/26/2006 5:47:34 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Tax-chick; NYer

Mother,
O Lady in White,
who lighted on the little bush
in a cloud of light,
Our Lady of the Rosary,
knowing such things were to come,
this man,
not yet born
as you talked with the children
of penance
and sacrifice,
knowing what a dark century
it was likely to be,
and yet,
you showed us the way of hope
your son had to offer.

O Lady in White,
who showed your hand
as the assassin lay in wait,
You who drew this man's eye,
and his posture changed
slightly, enough not to die,
as he struggled to see you,
as the bullet flashed,
Totus Tuus, he had offered
out of pure love,
and climbing the peak
to be God's witness against the godlessness
of the darkness,
you were there to help him through.

Another night,
O Lady in White,
you held him close in your arms,
as the end of an era drew to a close,
this man who labored so hard for your son,
giving his all,
so tht even on the day of his death
he would instruct us how to live.

O Lady of the Rosary,
the time had come
to see the fruit of thy womb Jesus
in all his glory.

Thank you for saying Yes to the Father,
Thank you for your care for your children,
Thank you for aiding us in the time of our need.

Amen


19 posted on 03/26/2006 7:12:58 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I've seen the one up in Rome; yours is the more tender one, expressing what the Holy Father deserved after such a devoted life: "well done, thou good and faithful servant."
Where did you find it? Been trying to track the origin down.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 7:56:51 PM PST by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Were there any eyewitnesses? Or are we required to take JPII's word for it? Just wondering.

Nobody is required to do anything. Just as nobody is required to believe in God, the bodily resurrection of Jesus or the existence of Hell. These are articles of faith.

JPII stated his belief that the Blessed Mother saved his life. The present Pope concurs.

Each of us is free to agree or disagree.

Faith, by definition, is not about providing scoffers and skeptics with irrefutable, unequivocal visual evidence of the supernatural.

21 posted on 03/26/2006 8:30:25 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Use that line during your particular judgment.


22 posted on 03/26/2006 10:02:09 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: PandaRosaMishima

I don't know where the original is. That one I found with Google images. But I even have a copy of it in my CCD classroom that the Religious ED director got from someplace else. It is a very nice, and meaningful picture.


23 posted on 03/27/2006 3:13:20 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Beautiful - thaks for posting!

Pope Benedict seems to get better every day, doesn't he?


24 posted on 03/27/2006 3:47:11 AM PST by Tax-chick (May I suggest a restorative adult beverage? Perhaps something Australian?)
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To: Tax-chick

He is a wonderful papa!


25 posted on 03/27/2006 3:55:02 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

26 posted on 03/27/2006 4:01:34 AM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: AlaninSA

:-).


27 posted on 03/27/2006 4:15:34 AM PST by Tax-chick (May I suggest a restorative adult beverage? Perhaps something Australian?)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

And if you had lived at the time of Christ, which side of the crowd would you have been on?
Certainly your wisdom and discernment would have revealed the divinity of Christ to you.....


28 posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:09 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: marshmallow
Faith, by definition, is not about providing scoffers and skeptics with irrefutable, unequivocal visual evidence of the supernatural.

But how did Mary become supernatural with powers like Wonder Woman?

29 posted on 03/27/2006 7:13:29 AM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: Full Court

The prayer of the righteous man [woman] availeth much.


30 posted on 03/27/2006 7:52:50 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

Are you saying that Mary has some kind of power to see into the future and keep things from happening?

If that was the case, why didn't she keep him from getting shot in the first place?


31 posted on 03/27/2006 7:58:31 AM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Based on some of your previous posts, it is clear that you are no Catholic. One might wonder, then, at your intrusion on Catholic threads like this one, gracing them with a predictably ascerbic and skeptical comment or two, but, as you'll no doubt point-out, it is "your right" to do so under the posting rules here at FR. Fair enough.

However, your wit here is somewhat out of place. No one is going to provide you with the photos you request, since, obviously, such photos do not exist. But so what? To protest the lack of such photos, when you yourself come from a religious tradition demanding "faith" in certain comparable things, is either the height of irony or hypocrisy. Do you, as a believer in Judaism (I believe that is correct, though I will stand corrected if it's not), have any photos (or even independent, eyewitness corroboration) of the angel that stopped Abraham's hand as he was about to slay his son Isaac? Do you have photographic proof of the parting of the Red Sea? How about the fiery chariot of Elijah going heavenward in the whirlwind? I could go on, but you know my point.

No one at all but Abraham and (maybe) Isaac saw the angel. No one but Elisha could testify to the mode of Elijah's departure. There are absolutely no living witnesses to the parting of the Red Sea. You accept these events based on your faith in the credibility of the source material, sight unseen. Photographs are not necessary for you in these instances.

Just so...


32 posted on 03/27/2006 8:02:10 AM PST by magisterium
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To: Full Court

Why didn't Jesus simply keep Lazarus from dying, especially since He had advance notice of his impending death? Why didn't He keep the son of the Widow of Nain from dying? Why didn't God keep the boy from falling out the window during St. Paul's preaching in Acts 20:09? Could it be that John Paul II was allowed to be shot for the same reason given in Lazarus' case (and presumed in the others cited): "It is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by means of it" (John 11:4)?

The intercession that John Paul attributed to Mary gave glory to God, if it happened, since Mary (or any other being, saint or angel) is tasked to intervene by God's consent, through His power, and for His glory.

That you and others refuse to see this seems willfull, given that, provided an example occurs in the New Testament, you accept similar scenarios without questioning, and without cautic comments about preserving the subject (John Paul in this case) from death or injury to begin with. The irony is rather glaring.


33 posted on 03/27/2006 8:16:55 AM PST by magisterium
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To: AlaninSA

"Don't mess with my mom!" Why am I reminded of the Pagan variation, My Goddess gave birth to your God? (runs off like a scared little girl)
I've been listening to the Unitarians too much...


34 posted on 03/27/2006 8:43:57 AM PST by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn)
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To: magisterium

These items are being posted on a forum that is on a website known for discussion.
Should you not want the observations, caustic or otherwise, perhaps these things should be placed on a different site where they are not offered as food for thought.


35 posted on 03/27/2006 9:22:26 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: G Larry

requested photos please


36 posted on 03/27/2006 9:37:57 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: magisterium

thats what I thought. thanx


37 posted on 03/27/2006 9:41:20 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Full Court
Are you saying that Mary has some kind of power to see into the future and keep things from happening?

Notice that this is one sentence that contains two questions. The first question is: "Are you saying that Mary has some kind of power to see into the future?" The answer to that question is: no, I'm not saying that. Your second question is: "[Are you saying that Mary has some kind of power to] keep things from happening?" The answer to that question is: yes, she has the power to intercede through prayer. You have that power too, but she is "full of grace", and therefore, since the "prayer of a righteous man availeth much", her intercession availeth much.

-A8

38 posted on 03/27/2006 10:07:18 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Sorry, all of my pictures of Him are Black & White prints.
What's your snail mail address.


39 posted on 03/27/2006 10:19:32 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: G Larry
Sorry, all of my pictures of Him are Black & White prints. What's your snail mail address.

Take them to Kinko's and have them scanned.

40 posted on 03/27/2006 11:12:56 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

You are quick witted, aren't you?

/sarcasm


41 posted on 03/27/2006 11:56:05 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: NYer

lol


42 posted on 03/27/2006 12:00:55 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Tax-chick

Mary didn't do squat.

God saved his life for HIS purposes, not as a favor to the pope.


43 posted on 03/27/2006 12:02:39 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: NYer
There is the story that the bullet that struck the pontiff on May 13, 1981 took a very strange path.

There are reports that some say an invisible hand blocked the bullet from striking vital organs. (In other words, the bullet's path was not straight, and that was peculiar, for if it had taken a straight path, it would have struck vital organs).

On the one year anniversary of the attempt on the pontiff's life, Pope John Paul II decided to be in Fatima, Portugal on May 13, 1982. He supposedly requested information on Fatima (the apparitions) while he was convalescing from the attempted assination.

I wonder if there are any medical records to prove/disprove that the bullet did not take a straight path.

This is documented in at least one book about Fatima (I believe the one by Robert Fox).

It is interesting to note that May 13, 1981 is an interesting date. If one reverses the "81" into "18", one has the May 13, 1918 - the first Anniversary of Fatima.

The book 1984 gets it title as the author took the year 1948 and reversed the last two digits to give a time frame for his story... Perhaps of interest...

44 posted on 03/27/2006 12:12:06 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I wont' be waiting too long, will I?

LOL...

How goes it? I miss some of the heated discussions on the TNS. Folks don't have to agree/disagree to give you credit on making folks think about what they write. Regards - Fury...

45 posted on 03/27/2006 12:18:30 PM PST by Fury
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To: Fury

Hey Fury. I've been ignoring you since the Huskers
played the Buffs last year. Can you blame me?


46 posted on 03/27/2006 12:20:16 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Hey Fury. I've been ignoring you since the Huskers played the Buffs last year. Can you blame me?

That was a blowout. I'm still not sold on Callahan as the head coach for Nebraska. I figure he's got two more years to get to a more prominent bowl. Solich got jobbed thanks to the AD at Nebraska

CU had/has those other issues on campus in regards to football, and that did not help Barnett any and probably hurt recruiting...

47 posted on 03/27/2006 12:28:26 PM PST by Fury
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To: Fury
I'm still not sold on Callahan as the head coach for Nebraska.

They started looking like their old selves toward the end of last season. Not a comforting thought for Buff fans.

48 posted on 03/27/2006 12:33:27 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Fury

"Buff" fans as in fully clothed fans of the Colorado team.
Didn't want anyone on this thread to get the wrong impression. :-)


49 posted on 03/27/2006 12:35:25 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: rwfromkansas

Take it up with the late Pope, or the current one, not with me.


50 posted on 03/27/2006 2:02:54 PM PST by Tax-chick (May I suggest a restorative adult beverage? Perhaps something Australian?)
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