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3 Named (by pope) to Work With Lefebvre Group
Zenit News Agency ^ | April 9, 2006

Posted on 04/10/2006 4:42:30 PM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY, APRIL 9, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI has appointed three new members to the commission that is working for a return to full communion for members of the Society of St. Pius X.

The three appointed to the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei" are Cardinals William Levada, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; Jean-Pierre Ricard, archbishop of Bordeaux and president of the French episcopal conference; and Antonio Cañizares Llovera, archbishop of Toledo and primate of Spain.

The commission's president is Cardinal Darío Castrillón Hoyos, prefect of the Congregation for Clergy.

The Commission "Ecclesia Dei" was instituted by Pope John Paul II with a 1988 apostolic letter published after the illegal episcopal ordinations carried out by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, a schismatic act. The archbishop was the founder of the Society of St. Pius X.

The announcement of the new appointments on Saturday came a day after the French bishops revealed that "in the forthcoming weeks or months," the Pope "should give directives to facilitate the path toward a possible return to full communion" with the Society of St. Pius X.


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1 posted on 04/10/2006 4:42:32 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/10/2006 4:43:24 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

I am not holding my breath here. If this happens I would expect another schism within St Pius the X. However, if any progress can be made in reconcilling people with the church thats good.


3 posted on 04/10/2006 5:06:56 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: catholicfreeper

There's already division in the SSPX.


4 posted on 04/10/2006 6:06:15 PM PDT by michigancatholic
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To: catholicfreeper

I think Rome should ease the mistrust the SSPX has of Rome by reforming the semi-Traditionalist communities alreay under its jurisdiction. FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, Society of St. John Vianney, etc.

1)I would like to see Rome rescind the decrees of the Congregation for Divine Worship mandating the Benedictines of Fontgomblaut, Clear Creek, etc., use a hybrid of the 1962 and 1965 Missals.

2)The consecration of more bishops according to the traditional rite who would use that rite and the traditional sacraments alone.

3)Free the traditional rite from the jurisdiction of the Congregation for Divine Worship to keep Card. Arinze from monkeying with it.

4)Issuing decrees that would do a better job of harmonizing the dissonant portions of Vatican II with preconciliar teachings.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 8:17:06 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight

1) Might very well happen.

2) Not sure what that means. A bishop would seem to have to use the rite that the vast majority of his priests use, no? And what do you mean "traditional sacraments." Which sacraments are too new-agey for you? Holy Ordes? Communion? Baptism? Marriage?

3) I would think Arinze is most likely a key ally.

4) Any statement is going to explain how Vatican II is consistent with prior councils. What you might get is a stronger clarification that liturgical dancers, diva songleaders, cheesy music, group confessions, altar girls and the frequent use of several lay eucharistic ministers are NOT part of Vatican II.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 9:44:27 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I was thinking of things like the decree on ecumenism and the decree on non-Christian religions.


7 posted on 04/10/2006 9:51:46 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: dangus

I was referring to elevating members of the FSSP, etc. to the episcopate and granting them the right to only use the preconciliar rites.


8 posted on 04/10/2006 9:53:01 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight

I certainly can't imagine him elevating the FSSP to the episcopate; you wouldn't have two bishops with overlapping diocese. However, I would expect that the FSSP might be permitted a position analgous to a religious order's provincial, or even that a member of the FSSP might become a bishop, except for I don't suppose there'd be that many FSSP members who would accept.


9 posted on 04/10/2006 10:04:28 PM PDT by dangus
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To: pravknight

You might want to check out the Catholic Encyclopedia. Published in 1911, its statements on the prospect of a failthful member of other religions going to Heaven is pretty much exactly what was said in the Vatican II documents. It's not authoritative, but it does establish that long before Vatican II such beliefs were widely held.

I would expect a decree, if it does come, to clarify the necessity of conversion for those who lack truly "invinceable ignorance." Sorry, but if you're ECUSA, you don't get by on invinceable ignorance just because you're part of an ECUSA social group, you like their ritual style, or you think priests should be allowed to marry.


10 posted on 04/10/2006 10:08:25 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Then the pope ought to consider creating a diocesan structure for those attached to the old rite. It's not like we already don't have overlapping Catholic dioceses in the U.S.

Or the other solution would be to name them auxiliary bishop in some diocese where there is a Tridentine-rite seminary.

I live within the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadephia, but at present I am subject to the Eparch of Passaic, NJ.


11 posted on 04/10/2006 10:09:52 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: dangus

I'm not the audience, the RadTrads are.


12 posted on 04/10/2006 10:11:03 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: dangus

What are your thoughts regarding the Traditional Anglican Communion's petition to the pope for full-ecclesiastical communion?

The only thing I can see a real problem with is their married bishops, but perhaps it could be permitted by Indult until the current bishops either step aside or retire.

I remember reading about some half-crazed Brazilian who was consecrated as a married Old Catholic bishop, but repented of his schism and was accepted back into the Roman Catholic Church as a bishop. I think this happened back in the 1950s.

...Of historical note, Bishop Salomeo Ferraz, consecrated by Costa following his separation from Rome, was eventually received back into the Roman Catholic Church in 1960, as a married bishop, without any "reconsecration", and was an active participant in the Second Vatican Council...
http://members.aol.com/NatCathCh/primer.html


13 posted on 04/10/2006 10:18:27 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight

The FSSP has an interesting status (Holy Trinity here in Boston has produced a few vocations to their ranks). Their Priests serve the Bishops of the Dioceses in which they serve, very similar to say, a parish staffed by Franciscans so while making one a Bishop of a Diocese wouldn't be impossible to have on for the order would be inappropriate.


14 posted on 04/11/2006 5:34:26 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: pravknight

I thought you said you were Melkite? I checked out the parish website you refered to and it was Melkite.

The seat of the Melkite Eparchy is here in Newton, Mass. Passaic is Ruthenian.

Just curious?


15 posted on 04/11/2006 5:36:39 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: michigancatholic

I think there's a faction of the SSPX that will not return to the fold under any circumstances.


16 posted on 04/11/2006 7:38:11 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Cheverus

I am canonically Melkite, but I moved to the Philly area where there aren't any Melkite parishes.

Consequently, I have to attend a Ruthenian parish.

My heart is in the Melkite Church though, so I consider myself Melkite.


17 posted on 04/11/2006 8:14:58 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: All

time is time


18 posted on 04/11/2006 8:38:00 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (Kiedys, ktos cos zrozumie.)
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To: pravknight

Oh, well, such is life, maybe they'll start one in the future. I looked at the website and the nearest are Scranton and West Patterson.

You should subscribe to "Sofia" the Diocesan magazine (I subscribe despite being Latin Rite) to keep up with the goings on.


19 posted on 04/11/2006 10:13:58 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: Cheverus

I get it.


20 posted on 04/11/2006 12:18:21 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight

Their editorials are excellent.


21 posted on 04/11/2006 1:35:52 PM PDT by Cheverus
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To: pravknight

Why is it up to the vatican to ease the mistrust of SSPX? Seems to me it's up to SSPX to prove that they are catholics.


22 posted on 04/11/2006 5:58:15 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: stop_fascism

You mean vice-versa.


23 posted on 04/11/2006 6:25:26 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight

Huh, me no unnerstan.

I mean that the essence of being Catholic is obedience to the Pope, SSPX has failed in that. You might as well ask what the vatican can do to salve the fears of Lutherans.


24 posted on 04/11/2006 10:11:16 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: stop_fascism

I think it is rather insulting to compare the SSPX with the Lutherans because Lutherans have another faith.

Innumerable saints have taught in the past that it is not only permissable, but neccessary to resist the Pope if his policies and teachings threaten the integrity of faith and morals.

I only need point out the post-Vatican II popes' irenicism when it comes to Ecumenism. The Assisi conferences; the Novus Ordo rites,not just the Mass, which in a way represent the watering down of the liturgy; tolerance of erring bishops; and the charismatic heresy. The SSPX's current status is a bullwark of traditional Catholicism in the face of the Neo-Lutheranism of contemporary Western-rite Catholicism, from the Curia on down.

If it wasn't for Abp. Lefebvre's courage, Benedict XVI wouldn't be doing what he is doing now.




25 posted on 04/12/2006 6:05:47 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: stop_fascism

However, the Jansenistic tendencies of many in the SSPX are unwelcome though.


26 posted on 04/12/2006 6:07:15 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight
Lutheran's still refer to themselves as "reformed" Catholics. Could you give a couple of examples of the Saints who taught it was necessary to resist the Pope? I think the Fraternity of St. Joseph was spot on with its reaction to Lefebre's act of schism.
27 posted on 04/12/2006 8:45:53 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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