Posted on 04/14/2006 3:12:43 AM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
How does this affect the Crucified on Wednesday theory?
Correct! There are four verses which absolutely prove the 72 hour time period. They are Matthew 27:63. This cannot be anything less than 72 full hours. Mark 8:31 also can be nothing less than 72 full hours.
Mark 9:31 says it must be at least 48 hours....but no more than 72.
And John 2:19-21 says the same....no more than 72 hours...and at least 48.
When you compare this to what He said about Jonah in Matthew 12:40, three days and three nights was the exact period of time in the tomb. If you accept the traditional church story of a Friday afternoon/Sunday morning affair you can come up with no more than 36 hours.
It doesn't...it was just a simple error on the part of the author.
It just shows that we are all human but some are more human than others.
I believe the preparation day, the 14th, would have been Wednesday. (see my calendars in post #14) Jesus would have been crucified at about 9:00 in the morning and died about 3:00 in the afternoon as the lambs were being slaughtered in the temple in preparation for the Passover Feast.
He would have been placed in the tomb shortly before the First Sabbath of Unleavened Bread began, Wednesday evening/Thursday daytime....Luke 23:53-54. The women would have rested that Sabbath....Mark 16:1 and would have purchased the spices on Thursday evening/Friday daytime, the non Sabbath day between the High Sabbath and the weekly Sabbath. They then would, after preparing the spices, rest again according to the commandment....Luke 23:56 for the weekly Sabbath, Friday evening/Saturday daytime. Shortly before sundown on the weekly Sabbath, 72 hours after being entombed on Wednesday afternoon, The Lord resurrected.
I don't think the Sabbath changed.
I think what changed was when Christians decided to meet together. However, Christians are not subject to those parts of the law that were not specifically required (Acts 15.)
It is true we are not under the law, as was pointed out to me the Saturday to Sun-day change came under Constantine as I said a little leaven leaventh the whole lump. It was good enough for 400 years to meet on Saturday for the underground church.
Sunday was the day that the Pagans worshipped on it was an easy compromise to make just like oh you have a holiday in December and worship the Sun we have on too and we worship the Son. From that to cakes and this that another.
A good read is the Two Babylon’s written in the 1800’s a chap named Hysop I do believe. Read the unabridged edition it is a real eye opener.
14:5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27 Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Every day is our Sabbath rest in Christ!
How far back does your originally pertain too? Back to Adam Abraham Moses? Give me an idea of where your headed with this question.
Much, much, much simpler explanation, without having to join any whacko cults like the people who publish this nonsense.
Jesus died on a Friday. Still a few hours to go in Day one.
He was in the ground all day Saturday. Day Two.
He rose on Sunday morning. Since, as the poster knows, the day starts at 6PM the previous evening in Hebrew culture, this is fully half-way through the third day, not just barely into it as one might think.
If you insist that Jesus was dead three FULL days, then he must be raised on the FOURTH day.
But doesn't scripture say both "dead for three days" AND "raised on the third day"? How was we reconcile this contradiction?
I'm not teaching official doctrine here, but I think there's an apparent answer in scripture:
As Jesus died, the sky blackened, and day became night. The sun was eclipsed, but this was no ordinary eclipse for it lasted three hours. In a sense, a night and a day passed, in about three hours each.
Hence, two apparently contradictory prophecies ("third day" vs. "in three days") are both fulfilled, in a way that no-one had thought possible!
HOW COULD WEDNESDAY BE THE DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH?
Well, that's not exactly the right question to ask. THe right question is, "Why do the gospels tell us Jesus was killed the day AFTER the evening he celebrated Passover, but the Jews had him killed BEFORE they celebrated Passover?"
Answer: The author's answer doesn't address this but it's really quite simple: There actually was disagreement between the Pharisees and the Essenes as to when to have a passover. Jesus celebrated the Essene passover, as indicated by the reference to a man carrying water (which was considered women's work by the Pharisees, but which the Essene men did themselves.)
Regardless, he did not die until just before the Pharisee's passover.
Incidentally, the sacrifice is made on passover. For an earthly passover, the lambs must be slaughtered the day before they are offered as sacrifice, because it is sinful to do such work on a festival. For the divine passover, such preparation is unnecessary; it is the slaughtering of the lamb which fulfills the sacrifice.
>> It is true we are not under the law, as was pointed out to me the Saturday to Sun-day change came under Constantine <<
Uh, no. Try actually READING the Nicene Council. They were clarifying what had already been done.
Jesus was the true passover lamb.
Out of the flock, in his first year (30 not 33), without sport or blemish, and no bone broken.
Find out when passover was and when they killed the symbolic lamb and you'll have the answer as to when Jesus was slain.
If Jesus died Wednesday afternoon, then he has that night, Thursday night, and Friday night in the tomb. God raises him from the dead Saturday after sunset and he appears to the women on the next morning, Sunday.
That fits with scripture perfectly but it shatters tradtion all to heck.
BTW, how many times did Peter really deny Jesus?
Look at #34.
Here's a scenario I find compelling:
The Last Supper was on Wednesday night. He was then taken prisoner.
He was shuttled back and forth between rulers and crucified Thursday.
He was in the grave Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturday night. He was in the grave a piece of Thursday day, all of Friday day, and all of Saturday day.
Sometime before dawn on Sunday morning, He Arose. That's 3 days and 3 nights.
And that's what makes it compelling.
I've been under the impression that the Jewish day ends/begins at sundown. If that is the case, Friday would begin at what we would consider Thursday evening.
Maybe Buggman can straighten out any misunderstandings regarding three days. He'd the FReeper expert on all matters Jewish.
Chuches that practice 'foot washing' do it on Wednesday, so your explanation makes some sense.
Sorry, but it isn't.
"Three days and three nights" means that as opposed to three days or three days later. It is a signifcant phrase.
I don't understand your post. Will you explain it in language that a slow person like me can grab hold of?
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