Posted on 04/14/2006 3:12:43 AM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
"Sometime before dawn on Sunday morning, He Arose. That's 3 days and 3 nights."
But what if he sees his shadow?
He is risen! That is what's compelling.
The question arises because the bible records Jesus as saying that it would be for 3 days and 3 nights.
Uninteresting. If you are right, then the third day was a Friday. Somehow, you have to reconcile the fact that the prophecies appear to contradict each other.
Compelling....but not scriptural. How then do we reconcile this? According to the Greek he resurrected sometime before the Sabbath ended.
And of course verse 6 confirms it.
One thing is certain. He was crucified on Passover, the 14th of Nisan: Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
Which is one day before the high sabbath mentioned here:
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have a holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
We don't know for sure the year of his death, but most scholars think it's between 30 and 33 AD.
Here are the equivelent days of the week for Passover in the past:
28 AD - Passover - Monday, 1st day of ULB, Tuesday
29 AD - Passover - Saturday, 1st day of ULB, Sunday
30 AD - Passover - Wednesday, 1st day of ULB, Thursday
31 AD - Passover - Wednesday, 1st day of ULB, Thursday
32 AD - Passover - Monday, 1st day of ULB, Tuesday
33 AD - Passover - Friday, 1st day of ULB, Saturday
34 AD - Passover - Wednesday, 1st day of ULB, Thursday
The Jews would NOT have him executed on a high holy day, if he was executed on Thursday, that means that it couldn't have been in the years 30, 31 or 34.
However, if he was executed on Wednesday and resurrectd Saturday just before sunset then 30, 31 or 34 work.
see post #16
Xzins has the chronology right in post #3. Actually, this week was the first time in about 150 years that the Passover and Easter have lined up perfectly with how they did in the original Passion Week.
Connectthedots is correct that the Jewish day begins at sundown, not midnight or sunup as most cultures reckon it. Another issue that sets the chronology is whether Passover is supposed to be held after sundown on the 14th of Nisan, or after sundown on the 15th. There's some evidence that the Jews of the 1st century were divided on the issue, but that the 15th, the first day of the Feast of Matzah (Unleavened Bread), had become the day that most of the people, the Sadducees in particular, held the feast. I don't have the book I got that from in front of me, so please forgive the lack of citation. In modern days, many Jewish households have two seders--one on the 14th for family, and one on the 15th to invite friends to.
The key passage for determining the chronology is Numbers 28:16-18, which reads in the KJV:
16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. 17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. 18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:Verse 17, which suggests that the Feast of Passover was to be held on the 15th of Nisan, is not here translated correctly, I believe. Rather, it should be rendered, "And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten." That is, the Feast of Matzah begins on the 15th, but is separate (though contiguous to) the Passover on the 14th, the anniversery of the Angel of the LORD "passing over" the homes protected by the blood of the lamb (Exo. 12:6-13).
This is of particular interest because the 14th was not a Sabbath--but the 15th was (Num. 28:18)! Remember, "Sabbath" doesn't just refer to the weekly Sabbath, but any day on which God commanded no work be done. Therefore, Yeshua could not have been on the cross on the 15th, since they hastened to remove the bodies before the sabbath, which Yochanan (John) calls "a high day" (19:31).
Incidentally, I believe that it was not understanding the nature of the High Holy Sabbaths that led to the tradition of a Friday crucifixion--those starting the tradition assumed that "Sabbath" automatically meant the 7th day of the week. However, this is impossible, since Yeshua is clear that He spent three days and three nights in the tomb. If He had only said "three days," the author's thesis in the main article above that any part of a day might be true. However, since He also specified three nights, one cannot assume a crucifixion day that left only two nights (Fri. and Sat. night) before the Resurrection.
Therefore, we can construct our timeline as follows, assuming a 6pm sundown just for the sake of discussion:
6pm - 9pm, Nisan 14 (Wed. evening by our reckoning): Yeshua eats the Passover with His disciplesHope that helps.c. 12am, Nisan 14: Yeshua is arrested in Gethsemene
12am - 9am, Nisan 14 (now Thurs. by our reckoning): The six trials of Yeshua, culminating in His trial before Pilate
9am, Nisan 14: Yeshua is crucified
12pm, Nisan 14: A supernatural darkness falls
3pm, Nisan 14: Yeshua dies
3pm - 6pm, Nisan 14: Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea hasten to bury Yeshua's body before sundown. The period before sundown that Yeshua remains in the grave counts as the first day of His burial.
6pm, Nisan 15: The high Sabbath of the first day of the Feast of Matzah begins.
6pm - 6 am, Nisan 15: First night of burial
6am - 6pm, Nisan 15 (Friday): Second day of burial
6pm - 6am, Nisan 16: Second night of burial, during the weekly Sabbath
6am - 6pm, Nisan 16 (Saturday): Third day of burial, during the weekly Sabbath
6pm - 6am, Nisan 17: Third night of burial
c. 6am, Nisan 17 (Sunday): Yeshua rises from the dead, and His women followers discover the empty tomb
Thank you for the explanation. I am always blessed when reading your posts.
I don't think he could have died on a Thursday. Nisan 14 didn't occur on a Wed/night to Thursday night period for any likely year of his death. I don't believe it ever falls on that time period.
Think you're right, Doug.
The women came on the first day of the week.
Obviously not as interesting as trying to turn an eclipse into a day and a night! lol..
If you are right, then the third day was a Friday. Somehow, you have to reconcile the fact that the prophecies appear to contradict each other.
Jesus was the true passover lamb and the fullfillment of all the laws.
1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Therefore He had to die at the appointed time, the time when the priests would kill the lamb.
Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.
This isn't hard to understand....Passover was a midweek holy day, not the weekly sabbath.
Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Luk 24:1 Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.
Luk 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Luk 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
Luk 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down [their] faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
Luk 24:6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
Luk 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Luk 24:8 And they remembered his words,
Crucified and killed Wednesday afternoon.
Taken down and interred temporarily in the borrowed tomb.
In the grave Wednesday night, Thursday, Thursday night, Friday, Friday night, Saturday (weekly sabbath) and rises sometime after sundown Saturday...3 days and 3 nights...and is already risen and gone when the women go to annoint him.
I agree with all... except I still believe that he was in the tomb for exactly 72 hours....meaning he resurrected on late Sabbath. My reasoning is thus: Luke 23:54 and John 19:31 confirm he was buried before sunset on the Day of Preparation, Nisan 14...Wednesday afternoon. Mark 9:31 says "He will rise the third day" (at least 48 hours/no more than 72). Matthew 27:63 says "After three days I will rise again" (No less than 72). These two scriptures combined with Matthew 12:40 (3 days and 3 nights) tell me that 72 hours from late Wednesday afternoon is late Sabbath afternoon. The only verse in the scriptures that tell us of the timing of the resurrection is Matthew 28:1....Late on Sabbath. Until Constantine's edict in 321 a.d., there was never anything sacred about Sunday until this tradition about a Sunday morning resurrection got started. It is not scriptural.
Which starts at sunset on Saturday.
All I know is that Jesus said he was going to be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. It also reads that the women discovered the tomb empty "late on the Sabbath". Even the fuzziest of math can't get that out of Friday/Sunday. For the life of me I can't figure out why people cling to these erroneous traditions.
Mat 28:1 In the ende of the Sabbath, as it began to dawne towards the first day of the weeke, came Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre. (KJV 1611)
(ASV) Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
(BBE) Now late on the Sabbath, when the dawn of the first day of the week was near, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the place where his body was.
(Bishops) In the later ende of the Sabboth day, whiche dawneth the first daye of the weke, came Marie Magdalen, and the other Marie, to see the sepulchre.
(Darby) Now late on sabbath, as it was the dusk of the next day after sabbath, came Mary of Magdala and the other Mary to look at the sepulchre.
(MRC) Now late on the Shabbat, as it began to draw toward the first of the week, Miriam of Magdala and the other Miriam went to look at the grave
(Murdock) And in the close [evening] of the sabbath, as the first [day] of the week began to dawn, came Mary of Magdala and the other Mary, to view the sepulchre.
(YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
Matthew 28:1 in the Greek. "Epiphosko" (scroll down about two inches on right) can also mean to begin....to draw on as it is translated in Luke 23:54. In other words the first day of the week was just dawning (Epiphosko)or beginning....and that would be just after sunset Sabbath (Saturday evening).
Yep, and many translate it that way.
But gee, guess what? In AD 33 (the traditional date), Nissan 14 occurs on a Thursday night to Friday day!
Of course the sacrifice is offered on Nissan FIFTEEN, which in AD 30 fell on a Thursday night to Friday day.
Sorry, but the lamb is only slaughtered ahead of time because it is unfit work to slaughter the lamb on the sabbath. The lamb is sacrificed on the 15th. Or else please do explain how Jesus was sacrificed the day AFTER he died.
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