Posted on 04/14/2006 3:12:43 AM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
Again, try READING the Nicene Council.
(And since when is the Sun a pagan god? But oddly, Saturn is. So the Christian sabbath is on a day NOT named after a god, but your little cult celebrates the Sabbath on a day named after Saturn... widely believed by the ancients to be a particularly evil god.)
Since you were too dull to understand what I stated, I'll say it real slow like:
If Jesus was buried three WHOLE days, then he was raised on the FOURTH day. The bible plainly says he was raised on the THIRD day. How can the bible in one place say he was raised on the THIRD day, and in other places say that he was buried THREE days?
If he died on Wednesday afternoon, three full days later would be Saturday afternoon, but the third day would only be Friday afternoon.
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.
Mat 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Mar 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
Mar 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Luk 18:33 And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luk 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
1Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
When the ancients looked at the sky, they saw the stars, of course, but also seven unusual bodies that moved relative to the stars behind them: Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the Sun, Venus, Mercury and the Moon. I've listed them here in reverse order according to how swiftly they seemed to move relative to the stars. The quicker they moved, the closer to the Earth they were presumed to be.
The early Egyptians, and many others around the world, associated their most important gods with these moving bodies.
They named the hours of each day after these gods, starting with Saturn, the slowest and presumably furthest one, followed by the next closest, and so on. Each day in turn was named after the god that claimed the first hour. Click here for a chart with 24 hours of each day named.
Notice how the first day starts with Saturn (our Saturday), the next day with the Sun, hence Sunday, then the Moon (Monday), and so on.
So we owe our seven-day week to the seven moving heavenly bodies that could be seen by the human eye, and each of the seven days are named in honor of them!
like I asked when did God change the sabbath from Saturday His 7th day to the 1st day of the week? I can't find it any where in the bible. So the Jews are a cult?
Ps Ask the Myans who they sacrified their people to was it the Sun? I think so.
Leviticus 23;5. The Passover itself is the fourteenth, the day the lambs were slaughtered....between the evenings. The meal itself was eaten then after sundown.... during the darkness of the fifteenth (verse 6).
Of course the sacrifice is offered on Nissan FIFTEEN, which in AD 30 fell on a Thursday night to Friday day.
30 a.d.. Passover/Wednesday....First Sabbath of Unleavened/Thursday....non Sabbath Day in which the women purchased spices/Friday....weekly Sabbath/Saturday and also Resurrection Day.
33 a.d. The problem with using the traditional year is that both First Sabbath of Unleavened and the weekly Sabbath fell on the same day that year. As you recall John said, "It was a special Sabbath". In this year the fifteenth was Friday night/Saturday day.
You are correct in identifying where the names of the week, we currently use, came from. Although....the Hebrews simply called them by their number. Monday would be thus..."the second day"...and of course seven in Hebrew is Sabbath.
It was about the sixth hour on the day when the lambs for the Passover were selected. Christ is our Passover. What day are those lambs traditionally selected? Recall also that Jesus, having appeared outside the tomb, told Mary not to touch Him at first. The Son of God also appeared in the blazing fire into which Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego were cast, so His bodily form and presence is not restricted to a particular moment in time.
Even the SDA's (Samuele Bacciochi is the man's name) now admit that Sunday worship was the norm practically at the close of the Apostolic age. Ignatius of Antioch in AD 110 congratulates his flock for "no longer sabbathing," and Justin Martyr writes around AD 150 that Christians meet "on the first day of the week, the day named for the sun".
A good read is the Two Babylon\u2019s written in the 1800\u2019s a chap named Hysop I do believe. Read the unabridged edition it is a real eye opener.
Abjectly stupid garbage, based on a logical fallacy, containing misinformation about paganism (some of which was state-of-the-art archaeology in 1845, but has since been proven false; some of which is just plain invention and assumption), and misinformation about Catholicism (Hislop knew very little about Catholicism; he knew Anglicanism and assumed they were the same). Ralph Woodrow, a Baptist who wrote a book endorsing Hislop's theories at one point, has since written another book rejecting them.
Have you ever been around an unembalmed human body at room temperature (and it is not freezing cold in Israel at Passover time) that has been dead for 3+ full days?
"Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days." -- John 11:39
The women would have anointed and spiced Jesus' body the day after the crucifixion, but it was a Sabbath so that was impossible. Had there been a non-Sabbath Friday between a Thursday Passover and Saturday, they certainly would have done the task then.
ON THE KEEPING OF EASTER.
From the Letter of the Emperor to all those not present at the Council.
(Found in Eusebius, Vita Const., Lib. iii., 18-20.)
When the question relative to the sacred festival of Easter arose, it was
universally thought that it would be convenient that all should keep the
feast on one day; for what could be more beautiful and more desirable,
than to see this festival, through which we receive the hope of
immortality, celebrated by all with one accord, and in the same
manner? It was declared to be particularly unworthy for this, the
holiest of all festivals, to follow the custom [the calculation] of the
Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and
whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom,(1) we may
transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter,
which we have observed from the time of the Saviour's Passion to the
present day[according to the day of the week]. We ought not,
therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Saviour
has shown us another way; our worship follows a more legitimate and
more convenient course(the order of the days of the week); and
consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest
brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the
Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without
their direction we could not keep this feast. How can they be in the
right, they who, after the death of the Saviour, have no longer been led
by reason but by wild violence, as their delusion may urge them? They
do not possess the truth in this Easter question; for, in their blindness
and repugnance to all improvements, they frequently celebrate two
passovers in the same year. We could not imitate those who are openly
in error. How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are most
certainly blinded by error? for to celebrate the passover twice in one
year is totally inadmissible. But even if this were not so, it would still
be your duty not to tarnish your soul by communications with such
wicked people[the Jews]. Besides, consider well, that in such an
important matter, and on a subject of such great solemnity, there ought
not to be any division. Our Saviour has left us only one festal day of
our redemption, that is to say, of his holy passion, and he desired[to
establish] only one Catholic Church. Think, then, how unseemly it is,
that on the same day some should be fasting whilst others are seated
at a banquet; and that after Easter, some should be rejoicing at feasts,
whilst others are still observing a strict fast. For this reason, a Divine
Providence wills that this custom should be rectified and regulated in a
uniform way; and everyone, I hope, will agree upon this point. As, on
the one hand, it is our duty not to have anything in common with the
murderers of our Lord; and as, on the other, the custom now followed
by the Churches of the West, of the South, and of
the North, and by some of those of the East, is the most acceptable, it
has appeared good to all; and I have been guarantee for your consent,
that you would accept it with joy, as it is followed at Rome, in Africa,
in all Italy, Egypt, Spain, Gaul, Britain, Libya, in all Achaia, and in the
dioceses of Asia, of Pontus, and Cilicia. You should consider not only
that the number of churches in these provinces make a majority, but
also that it is right to demand what our reason approves, and that we
should have nothing in common with the Jews. To sum up in few
words: By the unanimous judgment of all, it has been decided that the
most holy festival of Easter should be everywhere celebrated on one
and the same day, and it is not seemly that in so holy a thing there
should be any division. As this is the state of the case, accept joyfully
the divine favour, and this truly divine command; for all which takes
place in assemblies of the bishops ought to be regarded as proceeding
from the will of God. Make known to your brethren what has been
decreed, keep this most holy day according to the prescribed mode; we
can thus celebrate this holy Easter day at the same time, if it is granted
me, as I desire, to unite myself with you; we can rejoice together,
seeing that the divine power has made use of our instrumentality for
destroying the evil designs of the devil, and thus causing faith, peace,
and unity to flourish amongst us. May God graciously protect you, my
beloved brethren.
from DOCUMENTS FROM THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA [THE FIRST ECUMENICAL COUNCIL] A.D. 325
This is the Decree from the first Pontiff of the Roman church to all the world.
b'shem Y'shua
Joseph and Nicodemus had already provided for that....75 pounds.
I can already see the leaven of religion has enter into this proclamation. Most Holy day! No day is holy Paul admonished them that observed new moons and festival as being of little profit.
Like I said it took about 300-400 years for the body of Christ to go to hell in a hand basket full of religious B.S.
You have aright to your opinion of this book.
God loves you despite yourself.
But to be fair, he loves me despite myself, too.
If Jesus was buried three WHOLE days, then he was raised on the FOURTH day. The bible plainly says he was raised on the THIRD day. How can the bible in one place say he was raised on the THIRD day, and in other places say that he was buried THREE days?
You have an agenda that prevents you from intellectual honesty.
At the completion of the third day, it is still the third day, not the fourth. And you are right, Saturday afternoon would have been the third day Somehow I'm sure that God can work out the exact timing with sufficient precision to fulfill the prophecies AND the laws.
BTW, I think you believe that Jesus was 33 when he died. Do you have any scriptural evidence for that?
I think we're in more agreement than disagreement.
Check out Mark 16:9
So much for that "new covenant" and "cleanse you from all your idols" stuff. Didn't work any better than the old, did it? Why can't we get a real Holy Spirit, one which can keep things running more than a piddly 3 or 4 centuries?
Incidentally, 3 or 4 centuries puts you up to the time when the NT canon selection process was getting set in concrete, so the NT canon of Scripture which you use was basically put into place by that church which had gone to hell in a handbasket.
Good point.
Jesus was crucified on Thursday afternoon and resurrected on sunday morning. Three nights; Thursday, Friday, Saturday. see Mark 16:9 for the exact day of Jesus Resurrection.
Constantine was not the "first pontiff of the Roman Church," and in fact was never a pontiff of the Roman Church at all. In fact, at the time, he was not even a Christian (he was baptized on his deathbed).
The Pope of Rome at the time of I Nicaea was St. Sylvester I.
Probably added by some dark ages monk to justify a Sunday morning resurrection. The original Greek shows the absence of punctuation. This can just as easily be translated "Now having risen, early first of the week he appeared......etc.etc."
The Gospels must harmonize and Matthew 28:1 clearly says the women are visiting the tomb late on the Sabbath....and find him already risen! Matthew 28:1
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