Skip to comments.Easter as a Meaingful Holiday Lays a Colored Egg?
Posted on 04/14/2006 6:32:26 PM PDT by DouglasKC
Easter as a meaningful holiday lays a colored egg?
I have been interested in ancient Greek, Roman and Egyptian mythology since early teenage. The problem was that the stories became repetitive; each culture had its own versions of the basic legends. No matter into which part of the world I extended my studies, the underlying stories remained the same.
It was only when I came into contact with the true God that I realized these legends all came from a single counterfeit religion originating in ancient Mesopotamia.
In this article I do not intend to cover the Easter controversy, concerning the change from Passover to Easter. This is well documented in encyclopedias, church histories and Sabbatarian literature. I will, however, attempt to explain where some of the current traditions have come from.
Easter is an ancient festival, involving the death and resurrection of the husband or lover of the Great Earth Mother goddess.
Before I explain the details, it might be useful to list some of the equivalent gods and goddesses involved, since every country and often each city-state within that country had its own form of the same divinities, with local variations.
In most cases the husband is also the son or half-brother of the goddess.
The actual legend is a bit muddled depending on which version you choose but basically goes like this Egyptian one:
Not a mention of Demeter (who's golden hair falls in rich
plaits as only a goddess' does) or the Eleusinian Mystery.
Drink the Kykeon, BECOME Epoptes!
This is not exactly news.
Not too long ago it finally dawned on me that the story about Moses being pulled from the rushes in the river was the same as the story about Sargon being pulled from the rushes in the river.
One supposes these stories derive from the characteristic of major rivers, e.g. the Nile and the Euphrates, to rise in the Spring due to rains in the uplands.
Or, the stories could be about real events.
I know people who celebrate Easter by killing a baby sheep, roasting it whole, and then eating it. Frankly, I've never appreciated the taste of mutton, nor of rabbit - just keeping my eyes out for a religious subgroup that has some sort of holiday and ceremony focused on fried squirrel.
Personally I believe that the biblical stories are true and that the pagan myths and legands that are similar are counterfeits created to discredit these events.
The pagans who "invented" the Sargon story lived a thousand years before Moses?
Were the pagans more prescient than the Jews, or modern Christians?
Shabbos. Gotta' go. See y'all tomorrow evening.
The power behind the pagans was Satan, the "prince of this world". Satan has the power to foresee earthly events and foresaw biblical events. He then created myths and legends to discredit and confuse these future events.
When it comes time for God to speak to Mankind, He is very hard to hear. For one thing, He places His messages in the hands of mere humans. Sometimes He comes in person, but in ages without good transportation systems, He really doesn't get around all that well.
So, pitiful human beings, faced with the nearly incomprehensible message from Almighty God, write it as they see it ~ and the result is a miniscule portion of the message gets through to be passed on elsewhere.
Still, anything is better than nothing ~ and God's message, in whatever form, however limited it might be, is an Amnesty from Oblivion for the human beings who get the message, and grasp it to whatever degree they are capable given their time in history, and their position in that time.
That's a little sermon based on my understanding that way beyond creating the Heavens and the Earth, all good is authored by God.
In this way Sargon's exemplary tale, first written down by the Sumerians, and known for thousands of years before by their ancestors, becomes an exemplary tale for God's own prophet on a different river in a different, and later, civilization.
I really don't quite understand this need to claim that Satan was the primary influence on the Sumerians.
Well, I take the bible pretty literally and believe that the orginal writings were inspired by God.
I think that God, when he chooses to reveal himself, is pretty unmistakeable, at least according to biblical accounts.
I basically agree with your thesis that God hears prayer readily, although I would qualify that by saying that he only hears the prayers of the righteous. I would agree that it's rare today for God to reveal himself so powerfully, but today i think he primarily uses scripture to speak to us.
Interesting thing: only in the German, Norse, and English speaking worlds do they even have these types of customs.
Also: in any other language that I've seen/looked up, the holiday is known by a local transliteration of "passover"
A joyous Solemnity of the Resurrection of the Lord to you and yours!
Right at the moment I'm wondering if God heard the "sound" of that last supernova that served to compress the blown off shell material into a band out of which planets can arise.
Pretty sure He heard it.
three days and three nights later at sunset on the end of the weekly Sabbath, at the same time the wave-sheaf was being cut (Leviticus 23:10-11).
He is a crackpot cultist trying to tear people away from their Christian denominations so they will join his cult.
This nonsense has already been posted to multiple threads, but Doug has to continue to spread his gospel of hate, sh!tting all over people's festivities.
Hey, guess what Dougie? Pagans had sex. I guess that means Christians who have sex are committing idolatry.
And pagans had children. I guess that means Christians who have children are committing idolatry.
And pagans invented geometry, algebra and calculus. I guess that means Christians who do High School math are committing idolatry.
A brief summary of the REAL truth:
Easter eggs come from the Catholic tradition of fasting from meat during lent. They could choose when to kill their animals, and therefore not kill anything during lent, but they couldn't get their chickens to stop laying eggs during lent. So they'd save them up all Lent, and then break the fast by eating them. The ancient Jews used eggs in their passover ritual, representing new life. Why? Because they were following some pagan gods? No! Duh, because it's an obvious representation of new life.
The name "Easter" is unique to Anglo-Saxons. It's not likely to have anything to do with Eostre, directly. Rather, it's named after a month, named after a direction, named after Eostre. Eostre is a goddess of war, not of fertility as falsely claimed. There is no connection between Eostre and any of the Easter festivals. Asserting Easter is pagan is like asserting Holy Thursday is pagan, because its name stems from the Norse god of thunder, Thor. Outside of Anglo-Saxon culture, Easter is still universally known by a word stemming from "passover."
The cross on hot cross buns represents the cross. Duh.
The closest thing to pagan is the notion of the Easter Bunny. When Protestants wanted to continue the tradition of Easter eggs, they were at a loss for how to explain their significance. A common bird in Germany builds a nest very much like hares do. Many people searching for hares would come across what they presumed to be hares' nests, and found them full of eggs. So started the German notion of hares (not bunnies; that's a British morphing of the tradition) mysteriously bringing eggs.
Did other German religions create stories for why hares had eggs. You betcha. Did people create Easter Bunnies as a way of preserving pagan religions? No way.
We know for a fact that the cult of Eostre was long dead by the time Christians arrived in England, and the practices of Eostre had died with it, and those practices had nothing to do with the Easter practices.
Just in case you missed it, this is what Doug's cult says about the time of the birth of Christ:
>>Neither can Easter claim to be the time of Christ's conception, His birth coming in the autumn (3312 years before His death in the spring).<<
He also says:
>> Yet God makes no mention of the equinox in relation to the timing of Passover, only of the new moon and the beginning of the spring harvest. <<
... and Easter starts, not in relation to the equinox, but in relation to the first new moon after the equinox. If it started in relation to the equinox, it would be on the same day every year. The lunar calendar is tied to the solar calendar by the equinoxes, so no, God didn't mention the equinoxes. But what defines a lunar month?
>> The length of the festival varied greatly from five days in Rome to 11 in Mesopotamia and included the ancients' New Year's festivals. <<
Funny. Three is less than five to 11. What's the connection.
>> Some involved a week of fasting and purification before the festival proper began. <<
Yes, fasting exists in nearly every culture. (Pagans eat; I guess eating must be pagan, too.) But how does one week of fasting relate to 40 days? It doesn't.
>> As mentioned, the actual rites of Isis lasted one day and two nights. In Byblos the death of Adonis was mourned for two days by Venus Urania before he was resurrected and ascended into heaven, accompanied by great joy. Kybele mourned for Attis for two days before finding him and celebrating throughout the third day.<<
When Jesus died, the sky turned black. Day became night. Even pagan observers wrote, bewildered at the occurence. Then daylight broke again. Then "normal night" came. Then daylight broke again. Then another normal night. Then daylight broke again. And with the break of dawn, Jesus rose from the dead. This sounds odd, but it reconciles what would otherwise be a conflict in the scriptures: some places say he rose on the third day. Others said he would rise after three days. But "on the third day," means at most two days.
>> Easter specifically also seems to celebrate political corruption, murder and incest. <<
Huh? I'll leave it up to y'all to decide if your Easter observances celebrate corruption, murder and incest.
Where does the date of Easter come from? Well, since it NEVER falls as early as March 21, that's an odd explanation that Doug has. And of course, there's no historical record of when Jesus was born. But we actually do know when he died: March 25th (or April 6th, according to the Julian calendar, IIRC). So figure Easter was on the third day after that, and you get March 27th.
But the li'l cultist isn't completely off the mark, for the dates of Easter and Christmas are, in fact, related. It was a commonly held notion of the ancient Jews that great prophets died on the day of their conception. Hence, March 25th (and NOT March 21st!) is also held by the Catholic Church to be the date of the conception of Jesus. Count nine months forward, and you get to December 25th. (40 weeks was a little advanced for a primitive culture which could not detect the moment of conception. So, they counted estrous cycles, starting from the skipped one.)
Now it so happens that December 25th is also the date of the re-dedication of Solomon's Temple. Now, if a Protestant wants to reject the book of Maccabees which explains this in detail, I can't stop him. But, for the record, this is the Feast of the Dedication, which *IS* in Protestant bibles. Now, the temple was held to be the divine presence of God dwelling among Man. Jesus claimed HE was the temple. So again, it's a good guess (albeit hardly proof) that he was born on Dec. 25th. A good enough guess anyway that in the absence of any concrete knowledge, the early Christians could suppose it was then better than any other date.
Was Jesus born in the fall? I've never heard that. Usually, I've heard he was born in the Spring. This notion is based on the fact that the shepherds were in the fields, keeping night watch over their flock (Luke 2)... and supposedly they would only do that in the Spring. Sorry, but I've heard too many cases wherein bible "experts" asserted what the ancient Jews would or would not have done... and they've almost always been proven wrong. But maybe he was born in the Spring. Or the fall. Big deal... we know why the early Christians supposed he was born in December; even if thet were wrong, their reasoning was still pius.
Passover rarely even falls at the same time because it's based on the 15th day of the Jewish calender month of Nissan.
He places his messages in the Word. He's very easy to hear through his word.
"Sargon's exemplary tale first written down by the Sumerians, and known for thousands of years before by their ancestors"
Is written nowhere. Thousands of years of ancestors? Where did they come from? How did they survive the flood?
Pretty sure He heard it. I doubt he heard fictional theories. Besides, sound doesn't travel in space.
Anything 'blowing up' would not form planets, no matter how many billions of years you give it. All those little particles would be drawn to the sun. tiny particles all moving at different rates would never gather together and form planets. they would just bounce off each other. The laws of gravity apply, and the laws of gravity in the presence of a large body such as the sun apply as well.
You are just going to have to accept the fact that God created the universe and everything in it.
Nothing can't explode and make something. Nor can a random explosion achieve perfect balance. It's beyond impossible billions of times over.
God told you how and why he created the universe. He created it using his own energy, converting it to matter and spread it out. He created it for a single purpose, to create us.
The name Easter is the modern form of the Anglo-Saxon Earth Mother goddess Eostre (pronounced eestra.) Her festival was celebrated on or near the vernal (spring ) equinox
This might be relevant if Easter originated in Anglo Saxon and if almost all other languages didn't use variations of Pascha (from passover) as the name of the holiday.
But it didn't and they do. This is a very sloppy piece of work: agenda posing as scholarship.
Is this....He is a crackpot cultist trying to tear people away from their Christian denominations so they will join his cult .....the best you can do? Can't you quote anything Biblical to support your position? You sound very angry.