Posted on 04/14/2006 6:32:26 PM PDT by DouglasKC
What you call "Judaizers" were those who wanted to impose all the Pharasetical, non-biblical rules and regulation that had accumulated over the centuries.
Circumcision ?
"When we understand that the modern descendants of Joseph are the people of the United States and Britain …"
I think of all the doctrine that this is the hardest to prove on strictly a biblical basis. God doesn't come right out and say this. I think though that the biblical support for this belief is sound.
What scriptural evidence would you cite for this belief ?
It's not like they were tossing dice.
I guess we agree then because as I've explained, I don't and neither does United.
You believe there is a father, son and holy spirit that makes up the Godhead. If you were to ask a Jew, or an aspiring Jew, if you were worshipping one God or three, then I'm pretty sure they would say "three" and accuse you of polytheism. So you get around this subscribing to a formulated belief that the three are one. You cannot explain exactly HOW the three are one, only that they are.
I believe that the Godhead in heaven is composed of two, the father and the son, and they are in perfect unity, one in purpose, joined in perfect love.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
The notion that coming together in love means "one" is expounded upon time after time:
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Now when Jesus was praying to the father, he asked that his followers should "one", as he and his father are "one".
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Perfect unity.
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
I prefer this event from the lips of Peter through the pen of Markb'shem Y'shua
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is,Blessed Passover season.
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;Mar 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART,
AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'
[Deut. 6:4,5]Mar 12:31 "The second is this, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'[Lev. 19:18]
There is no other commandment greater than these."Mar 12:32
The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated
that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;Mar 12:33 AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH
ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH,
AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF,
is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."Mar 12:34 When Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him,
"You are not far from the kingdom of God."
For salvation, yes. It was clear that God had given his holy spirit to non-circumcised gentiles under the new covenant.
thanks Doug, that helps.
It leaves only a couple of questions. Are the two of the Godhead, one in being and substance? And what of the Holy Spirit, is it part of the Godhead or something different altogether?
thanks again
Just like satan and his minions influenced mohammed to be the false prophet of the sex and violence crazed islamics of yesterday, today and tomorrow!!
They claim 'One God' but then they degrade the meaning of "One" way down. I've read it. The section on what "One" means. A married couple is one. A church congregation is one.. The say that more than one being can be one in mind.. etc.
That's why I asked about being and substance and the Holy Spirit...
"I believe that the Godhead in heaven is composed of two, the father and the son, and they are in perfect unity, one in purpose, joined in perfect love."
posted by DouglasKC
What happened to the Holy Spirit? When Christ was being baptized the Father spoke from heaven and the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove descended upon Jesus. The three are seperat yet one. There has to be more than one for God to be true He places stipulations on us that He must follow Himself like it takes more than one to bare witness. and besides in Genesis the God Head say let us make man the word for God is 'elohiym (el-o-heem') which is the pural of ‘elowahh (el-o'-ah;) can you find the word elowahh in the bible?
demons knew that Jesus was the Messiah and the son of God when the angel of the LORD came to the shepards in the fields and announced who He was. They also knew what he was going to do by the many, many prophecies given in the OLD TESTAMENT. Even Eve knew because God said to Satan: the seed of woman will bruise thy head of they seed and you shall bruise His heel. The angels of Heaven knew what their fate would be the moment they were defeated when they tried to overthrow God Almighty in Heaven. So nothing you have stated was prophecy. They knew from the very day they were thrown out of Heaven what their destiny would be and by the words of God to Eve, and the angels declaration to the shepards at the birth of Jesus Christ, who he is and what he would become. But, nice try.
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