Skip to comments.Greetings from your Religion Moderator
Posted on 04/23/2006 8:01:06 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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Thank you! I'm so glad you took the opportunity to remind us of these things.
Thank you for this and all the pings!
Thank you. Is there a place these can be pasted for future reference?
This looks like promotion to me.
My observation is that Protestants debate and "bash" each other more than they do Catholics. Sometimes people cry "bashing" because they have no response to the issues raised and they want to silence the debate.
I have done so -- it is when I have asked about the catholic church condoning slavery by basically turning a blind eye to the practice in Latin America that some felt the need to flame me. My entire thread was locked when individual posters ad hominem attacks should have been pulled instead.
First, thanks for posting rules clearly for everyone to see and to know what's expected of them.
Second, how can you be sure none of that will happen on your watch since you have said that you are not the only one that mods the RF and that each one has different methodologies?
The crevo threads are of a religious nature. Where exactly do they belong?
If posted by a "creationist" (we'll take that word very broadly), wouldn't they be necessarily religious?
If posted by an "theistic evolutionist" (same), they could be religious in nature, depending on the topic.
If posted by a "mechanistic evolutionist" (same), are they religious themselves, or only religious from the perspective of any religionist who happens to reply?
Incidentally, the old RM told us a bit about his background, beliefs, etc., so we could be sure that no favoritism was taking place. Will you do the same?
Maybe we need to transform "bash" into: Be A Shining Heart
The pulled article was posted on the news forum where I have no particular responsibility. Moreover, it was not news; it was also a provocation (the source was positiveatheism.org).
maybe they will see how well your approach works here and make these policies active in all areas.
love rules with gentleness.
We respect each others decisions and personal style but yes, there could be a few bumps on the road.
If a crevo thread is posted here, I will moderate it according to these guidelines.
Sorry for the delay. Im not a general philosophy buff so my knowledge of them is no more than Wikipedia.com deep.
Objectivism is at least a hundred times more comprehensive. As the ideological foundation for probably more than 100k people, and dozens on Free Republic, it functions identically to a religion. It had hundreds of campus and community organizations and a book twice polled by Readers Digest as the second most influential, behind the Bible. It guides people through understanding the nature of the world and of our conscious. It defines good and evil and outlines the hierarchical ethical framework. And like libertarianism, but with a solid moral foundation, it promotes capitalism as the only moral economic system.
Im not able now to discuss this in detail, but a very brief overview (so brief that its a little misleading) can be found here: Introducing Objectivism
As I understand the purpose of these open devotionals, they enable people to reaffirm their beliefs among the like minded in a confrontation free environment. Objectivisms a unique atheistic ideological fit for Free Republic, but the religious moderator apparently has other concerns. Im a guest here; its his show.
Do you have devotionals for your minister? (Dont answer that. I dont care.)
In that most religions are explicit about the need for some element of faith for their explication and practice, and I'd always been under the impression that most Objectivists would deny that faith is necessary for seeing the logic of Objectivism, it would seem to me that it's pretty easy to distinguish Objectivism from religion, at least through the understandings of their respective proponents.
Do you think that Objectivism requires an act of faith for belief?
Sounds very reasonable. Thanks.
I like your guidelines (argue the issues, or criticize the article's author, but don't get personal with the freeper). For the record, I never use my evolution ping list in the religion forum, because I don't regard science as a religious (or anti-religous) subject. On the other hand, I think creationist threads belong in the religion forum, but not everyone agrees.
I post all "my" threads about science news in the news forum. That also goes for school-board controversies, and for news of litigation or legislation involving the teaching evolution. I don't ping my list to what I regard as purely creationist threads, because no one joined my ping list to debate theology.
Sometimes, alas, science threads get heated up and is dumped into the backroom, often because some regard such threads as religious (or anti-religious). I think such views are incorrect, but let's not debate that here.
I suppose our paths will rarely cross in your official role, unless you are patrolling outside of the religion forum.
I really want to give a thanks to the former Religion Moderator he/she did do yomens works to tame this forum!
I am excited to hear your voice and new blood here and sure all of us faiths will benefitf from your presents!
On the other hand, perhaps some of the crevo threads would not have been banished to the backroom were they held to the higher standard.
Thanks for the ping!
True. My personal preference is that offensive posts should be pulled, and misbehaving freepers admonished, or even told to stay off the thread. I like that better than moving the whole thread, often with no warning -- because getting dumped into the backroom punishes the innocent along with the guilty. But I guess moving the thread is easier, and mods are busy. You're the mod, so it's your call.
Yes! Click on the bookmark feature on the front page (Just after the article) and it will be saved to the bookmarks that are accesible on each person's profile page!
Or the Religion Mod, could post it to his/her profile page.
Just a couple of suggestions. I already have it bookmarked.
I think that faith and proof are at opposite ends of a continuum, and I'd plot the postulates on which Objectivism rests much further from faith than those of the religions that Ive encountered.
Objectivisms comprehensive ideological system has identical social and phycological functions to those of religion. But even if it was taken on faith much more than I give it credit for, it would be inconsistent with the definition of religion .
Then by the definitions that you accept, an Objectivist devotional might not fit all that well into the Religion Forum. In this case, in describing it as a philosophical system, the Religion Moderator seems to be accurately describing it.
I'd be interested, by the way, with being pinged to an Objectivist devotional, should you decide to post it. As well, whether it enjoys any officially-"protected" status or not, I give you my word that I would observe only, not disrupt.
You have ministers? Who/what does one worship or pray to (as in a devotional)? I would have thought Objectivist devotional would be an oxymoron, yes?
"It takes the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price to explain more fully why we would have perished. We would have perished because of the fall of Adam; we being unable to save ourselves either from his fall or our own sins."
Not true ...Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:You know ... a thorough knowledge of what's in the Bible ... would demonstrate that you need no additional texts.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
It strikes as particularly clear ... that many who say that the Bible is not enough ... really don't know all that the Bible contains.
Sounds more philosophical than religious. Of couyrse, Pythagorianism had a religious aspect However, you might make a claim to be like with certain atheistic versions of Buddhism. But, as you say, we gotta go by the rules. It's their ball.
You only have a portion of that talk Quester
Excerpts from the talk
Why a Savior Is Necessary, and Why Only Jesus Christ Could Qualify ~ Robert J. Matthews was dean of Religious Education at Brigham Young University when this devotional address was given on 4 December 1984.
There is no other book in all this world that tells us as clearly about the mission of Jesus Christ as does the Book of Mormon.
Whereas the Bible tells us WHAT happened,
the Book of Mormon and other latter-day scriptures tell us WHY it happened.
The Bible writers also knew why, but the Bible has not come to us in its original purity and clarity, and thus the Lord has brought forth these other records in plain terms so that we might not wander in darkness and oblivion.
The Lord wants us to know about the greatest truths in the history of mankind.
I remember a discussion in a class many years ago when I was a teenager, when one of the students asked the teacher--this was not here at BYU--what would have become of our spirits if there had been no redemption by Jesus.
He said, "Well, I do not know what would have happened to our spirits, but I give it as my guess that, if there were no atonement by Jesus, we would still go on to whatever degree of glory we had merited, but we would have to go there as spirits without bodies because Jesus brought to pass the resurrection, and if there were no resurrection we would have no bodies."
None of us in the class knew enough about the gospel to know whether that was the right answer or not.
But sometime later, on my mission, I was reading 2 Nephi and I realized that if Jacob had been in that meeting that day he would have said, "Now wait a minute. This is what the atonement of Jesus does for us.
It not only brings the body forth from the grave, but it redeems the spirit from what otherwise would have been an endless, miserable condition with the devil." Or, to say it in other words, every man, woman, and child, everybody who belongs to the family of Adam, would have become sons of perdition had there been no atonement by Jesus Christ.
Jacob, knowing that and having commented upon it, then says these words--which we have already read but need to read again:
O how great the goodness of our God, who prepareth a way for our escape from the grasp of this awful monster;yea, that monster, death and hell, which I call the death of the body, and also the death of the spirit. [2 Nephi 9:10]
And so, when we sing and think and read and talk and meditate upon the coming of the Son of God into the world, we need to think in terms of what he did for mankind, all mankind, both as to the resurrection of the body and in bringing them forth out of what would have been a most miserable and gloomy existence.
Jesus said, "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10).
You see that when we understand the alternative, it gives altogether new meaning, and additional meaning, to his words.
There are so many passages, we could not read them all right now.
Other than thinking you need to defend the Bible which all the LDS embrace with love and is a part of our LDS family scriptures known as LDS standard works, We are all very much aware of the battle down through the ages of remaining intact, that is why the all knowing Lord has preserve his Word with an other testament for Jesus Christ and both the Book of Mormon and the Bible testify of one an other!
After their resurrection, Jesus Christ will issue the final judgment to all the inhabitants of this world. The Lord will deliver to every person an individually tailored reward based upon how that person used their agency during mortality. The Savior will consider not only the absolute decisions that were made, but the surrounding context as well. People with more knowledge and privileges will be held to a higher standard than those without such advantages. Based on their final judgment, everyone-except those who committed the unpardonable sin-will be assigned to either the celestial, terrestrial, or telestial kingdom. Each of these kingdoms has its own rewards, privileges, and responsibilities associated with it.
In the Celestial Kingdom-the highest degree of glory, people have the opportunity to enter into the exalted state of Godhood.
Latter-day Saints believe that hell is the miserable, but temporary, state of disobedient spirits in the spirit world awaiting the resurrection. All those who reject the gospel of Jesus Christ will be sent to hell to be cleansed from their sins. As soon as a person has paid the full price for his or her sins, he or she will be released from hell into a state of glory [or happiness]. The degree of glory depends upon the type of life that a person lived while in mortality. The Telestial Kingdom is the lowest of the three degrees of glory to be inhabited by God's children in the afterlife following the resurrection. Only those who have committed the unpardonable sin will remain unredeemed in hell.
The Prophet Joseph Smith explained, "No man can commit the unpardonable sin after the dissolution of the body, nor in this life, until he receives the Holy Ghost" (TPJS, p. 357). To commit the unpardonable sin, a person "must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin against Him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him
. he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened to him, and to deny the Plan of Salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it" (TPJS, p. 358; cf. Heb. 10:26-29).
I meant to ping you to Post #139
The reason: it could be argued that if atheism is a religion then a-theistic scenarios such as abiogenesis could not be "established" by publicly funded education. IOW, the atheistic solution would have to be presented along with the theistic one(s).
Unintended consequences perhaps, but food for thought...
None of what you've posted by including Mormon writings regarding salvation is biblically correct. There is NO other Scripture than the Bible, any later day writings do not meet the test of Godly inspiration.
Christ will judge the Christians, God will judge the rest. Those whose names are not found in the Lamb's book of life WILL be cast into the Lake of Fire. Period.
143 posts and you still haven't told us which is the correct religion.
are you allowed to tell us?
Surely the answer is obvious! You're posting to Free Republic. The correct religion here would be Republicanism. Pig-Latin Rite/Idaho Synod.
Thank you for your personal opinion..
But my belief is that God did have more to say and no man can because he say it is not so...makes his opinion so!
but you are welcome to merrily go about your reverie...
Religions are also philosophical systems, but with divine inspiration. That's the only significant difference in this context between Objectivism and Religions. As I understand it, its the ideological doctrine thats being reinforced within devotionals through reflection free from challenge, not just the divine inspiration.
Id be happy to ping you on the next significant Objectivist thread I notice.
I might be interested in compiling some Objectivist reflections appropriate to the churchlike devotionals here, but it would take hours that I dont have to bat back nonsense drive-bys like #93 above and more thoughtful challenges begun over here in #74 and here in #81 without the privilege of devotional assembly protection that theistic based ideologies enjoy here.
I don't ping for atheist threads either.
The 7th Circuit Court of Appeals opinion said that atheism is a religion.
I remember that. I think it was for purposes of protecting that viewpoint, and not because of any theological thinking.
The reason: it could be argued that if atheism is a religion then a-theistic scenarios such as abiogenesis could not be "established" by publicly funded education.
Yeah. Similarly, plagues, droughts, lighting storms, earthquakes, ice ages, the whole catalogue of natural phenomena are likewise atheistic.
IOW, the atheistic solution would have to be presented along with the theistic one(s). Unintended consequences perhaps, but food for thought...
Some folks will argue that, of course, but it's a slim reed to rely on.