Posted on 04/25/2006 4:47:30 PM PDT by NYer
I have some turpentine left over if you need any.
Must have been nice, I mean after fellow latins had raped, commited murder, stolen anything with gold, and pranced bloddy warhorses through there, all whilst a prostitute sat dancing on the throne of the patriarch, for a latin to serve mass there.
the activities of the eastern empire prior to 1204 do not even come close to the attrocities the latins commited, but i guess an eye for an eye is still the law of the latin rite.
You seem to have a real lack of having read the writings of Robert of Clari a Roman Crusader disgusted by the evil perpetrated by the Latins in Constantinople.
That's funny considering as locally the Latin church did a line item veto of all the original councils.
Chapter 72: HOW THE BISHOPS ASSURED THE PILGRIMS YET AGAIN THAT IT WAS A WORK OF MERIT TO FIGHT THE GREEKS
When the pilgrims saw these things they were sore distressed and exceeding sad, and they went back to their lodgings on the other side of the harbour. And when the barons were come back and had disembarked from their ships, then they gathered together; and they were much cast down and said that it was because of their sin that they had been able to do nothing nor had wrought any mischief on the city. But at last the bishops and the clerks of the host spoke together and adjudged that the battle was a righteous one, and that they ought in sooth to attack the Greeks; for in olden time they of the city had been obedient to the religion of Rome, but now were they disobedient thereto, since they said that the religion of Rome was of none account, and that all they who believed in it were dogs. And the bishops said that for this reason the Greeks ought to be attacked, and that this was no sin, but rather was it a good work and of great merit.
Chapter 73: HOW SERMONS WERE PREACHED THROUGHOUT THE HOST; AND HOW THE EVIL WOMEN WERE DRIVEN OUT
Then was it cried throughout the host that all should come to the sermons - both Venetians and all and sundry - on Sunday, in the morning. And so did they. Then did the bishops preach sermons throughout the host - the Bishop of Soissons, the Bishop of Troyes, the Bishop of Halberstadt, Master John Faicete, and the Abbot of Loos - and they showed the pilgrims that the battle was a righteous one, for that the Greeks were traitors and murderers, and that they were faithless, since they had murdered their lawful lord, and that they were worse than Jews. And the bishops said that they absolved, in the name of God and of the Pontiff, all those that should attack the Greeks. And the bishops commanded the pilgrims all to confess themselves and freely to partake of the sacrament; and let them not be at all afraid to attack the Greeks, for these were God's enemies. And an order was given that they should seek out and remove all the light women from the host, and send them very far away from the host; so they caused all these to he nut into a chin anal sent away far from the host.
http://www.deremilitari.org/RESOURCES/SOURCES/clari3.htm
"Not that all Muslims are scum, mind you. Just the ones who sack, rape, and murder entire cities."
So, could we expect from the others to present their apologies and repentance for the 14 past centuries of conquest, and not to use the sword and any other coercive measure anymore to spread their faith?
God forgives, we try not to forget. :-)
Great story! Thanks for sharing it.
I don't believe he is referring to mob mentality so much as the restoration of authentic customs. To cite an example, in looking over some parish photos from the early 80s, I was surprised to see the children holding felt banners as they entered the church to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation. Someone explained that for a while the Church tried to emulate the Latin Church. They have now restored the practice of Chrismation at the time of Baptism.
I know what you mean, but "the last time the Latins were in that building" was when Pope Paul VI visited there in the 1960's. He stopped in front of a fresco of the Theotokos and said a prayer.
The current (majority) inhabitants of the area were most displeased. ;-)
Most obnoxiously, however, there has been little outcry among Catholic "anti-Latinizers" against attempts in North American Byzantine circles to impose lay Eucharistic ministers, and female lectors and altar servers. To date these have foundered upon lay opposition, and little else. The turning around of altars in American Eastern Catholic churches can be placed in the same file.
If they keep pushing the Uniates to abandon their traditions in favor of modern alterations, they may be quite surprised by the results.
But God does both, and we are both called to follow His example.
I rather wish the international community would evict said inhabitants and deport them across the golden horn.
I think what he's saying is that adopting legitimate, traditional, and orthodox customs of the Latin Rite is vigorously opposed, but adopting dumb, recently-invented, and banal "customs" doesn't meet nearly as much opposition.
My only Eastern Catholic experience that might tend to confirm that was when I heard Divine Liturgy from a young Ukrainian priest who couldn't seem to use the word "father" -- "our ancestor among the saints, John Chrysostom" and the like. I felt like giving him a good dressing-down, but he being a priest and me being a Latin Rite visitor, I let it slide.
This article is most insightful (almost comically so) given some of the responses I've seen posted.
What's the CV of the Orthodox Theologian quoted, do you know?
I thought so too.
What's the CV of the Orthodox Theologian quoted, do you know?
No .. I do not.
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