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America Needs Fatima plans 1,000 prayer vigils against The Da Vinci Code movie
America Needs Fatima ^ | 05-02-06 | America Needs Fatima

Posted on 05/02/2006 7:44:25 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1

Hanover, Pennsylvania – As the controversy around the upcoming Da Vinci Code movie grows, the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) and its America Needs Fatima campaign announced plans to hold 1,000 peaceful prayer vigils outside theaters nationwide beginning May 19.

“These public acts of reparation will literally blanket the country. From Alaska to Alabama, from California to Connecticut, dedicated volunteers are banding together for protest prayer vigils in front of movie theaters showing the blasphemous Da Vinci Code movie,” said America Needs Fatima director Robert Ritchie.

“Wrapped in Gnostic heresy, The Da Vinci Code is a broadside attack against the Divinity of Christ, the Papacy, and the hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church,” continued Ritchie. “Together with the so-called gospel of Judas, The Da Vinci Code is outright blasphemy.

Our Lord Jesus Christ is the highest ideal of moral perfection; any detraction from this moral perfection takes on a defamatory character, since it lowers and denies His unique and most excellent position as God-man.”

According to the TFP web site (www.tfp.org), protests are already scheduled in most major cities in the country. The group is also sending a protest instruction booklet to interested parties, which shows how to organize a protest.

Several Catholic bishops and priests have applauded a book published by the TFP, Rejecting The Da Vinci Code, including Archbishop Raymond L. Burke of St. Louis.

“Interest is overwhelming. The phones haven’t stopped ringing. Catholics are joining in droves. We have protest leaders of all ages who are very devoted people: priests, college students, parents, and grandparents,” Ritchie explained. “They’re motivated because they realize that if our culture doesn’t respect the rights of God, it won’t respect its own leaders and fellow citizens.”

Referring to the woman who according to tradition wiped Jesus’ face on the way to Calvary, the TFP spokesman said: "Veronica is a good example for us to follow. She saw Our Lord wounded and bleeding, carrying the Cross. Her love for Jesus moved her to take her veil and wipe His face. God inspired her. What she did was heroic. Alone, she faced the guards to console Jesus. Today we have the chance to console Our Lord at hundreds of movie theaters, where He will be mocked again by blasphemy.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: america; anf; blasphemy; davincicode; fatima; film; movie; needs; prayer; protest; vigil
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1 posted on 05/02/2006 7:44:30 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1
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To: concernedAmerican1

To find a protest location near you, visit this link. The entire country is covered!

http://tfp.org/davincicode/local_protest_listing.htm


2 posted on 05/02/2006 7:46:33 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: concernedAmerican1

Protest signatures top 88,000!

The American TFP and its America Needs Fatima campaign have collected over 88,000 signatures protesting the making of The Da Vinci Code movie. Help us reach our goal of 100,000 letters, protest coupons and e-mails. Click here to send your protest.

http://tfp.org/student_action/php/da_vinci.php


3 posted on 05/02/2006 7:48:13 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: concernedAmerican1
>prayer vigils against The Da Vinci Code movie

Join the modern world --
"Protesting" something this way
advertises it!

The news will cover
this or that vigil, people
will see the story,

and they'll say, "Let's go
see the film to figure out
what they're protesting."

Movies come and go.
If a film makes you angry,
DON'T TALK ABOUT IT

in the media
(online or anywhere else!)
until it is gone.

4 posted on 05/02/2006 7:50:04 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

This isn't just about "protesting." It's about making reparation for the blasphemies in the book and the movie.


5 posted on 05/02/2006 7:52:22 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: theFIRMbss

Sony Pictures doesn't want protest. If protest prayer vigils helped the intertainment industry, why are they fearful???

Described by Variety as “Hollywood’s most prominent crisis specialists,” it is no coincidence that Sony pictures has hired Sitrick & Co. to handle the sensitive controversy surrounding The Da Vinci Code movie. Films perceived as blasphemous are serious business.

As the Wall Street Journal article “Da Vinci Damage Control” notes, Sony is doing everything possible to avert backlash from religious groups. “Sony is particularly concerned about appearing insensitive to religious beliefs,” the Journal’s Hollywood Report observed.2

For more details, see.

http://tfp.org/davincicode/why_does_sony_fear_publicity.htm


6 posted on 05/02/2006 7:55:29 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: concernedAmerican1
>Sony Pictures doesn't want protest


7 posted on 05/02/2006 7:59:06 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: concernedAmerican1

Does the American TFP think the consecration to Mary was done?


8 posted on 05/02/2006 7:59:21 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

why don't you call them or email them with your questions


9 posted on 05/02/2006 8:01:36 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: concernedAmerican1
Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira,the founder of TFP was called the axiological principle (God) by his followers. PLinio had no use for the priesthood. The TFP Cult was condemned by the Brazilian Bishops, including, notably, the Traditionalist, and excommunicated Bishop, Castro Mayer.

Joining the American splinter group of this cult is unwise. Their fidelity to the Bonds of Unity in Worship, Doctrine, and Authority are questionable, at best.

10 posted on 05/02/2006 8:03:59 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

This post found on EWTN's website is interesting, if you're interested in knowing the truth:

"My friend sent me an article on the internet which makes this group look bad. It calls them a cult started by Prof. Plinio Correa De Oliveira in Brazil. I don't know who writes these things. Those I have spoken to in the organization in the United States are very sincere in their Catholic faith. As far as I know they have only done good. As this information seems to be going round on the internet, who is correct? I don't know the situation in Brazil but are good people being wrongly condemned here? Please advise me. Respectfully, Caroline"

"Answer by Fr. Robert J. Levis on 06-15-2005:

Dear Caroline, The TFP is a social action group, not officially Catholic, but "Catholic inspired", founded by a brilliant and pious professor who had serious disagreements with a Brazilian cardinal. This disagreement brought on a Brazilian rejection. In the rest of the world, TFP stands and works 110% in union with the Catholic Church, sometimes leads some Church efforts, e.g. the effort "America Needs Fatima", anti-porn efforts, family life, etc. Some Vatican officials have approved the group which in effect balances TFP as an orthodox lay group which is not approved by some Brazilian church leaders. I find all this group stands for as exemplary, pious, loyal both to country and the Church in all its aims and objectives. Fr. 'bob Levis"


11 posted on 05/02/2006 8:08:31 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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Answer by Catholic Answers on 03-25-2003:

Dear Vic,

America Needs Fatima is indeed a legitimate Catholic organization. Like other such Catholic organizations, it has its enemies. Log on to its web site: "http://www.tfp.org/anf/".

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

This is from EWTN:
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=294238&record_bookmark=2&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2003&Author=&Keyword=tfp&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=


12 posted on 05/02/2006 8:09:56 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: concernedAmerican1

This is a copy of a letter sent to Prof. Plinio:

Lima, July 24, 1961

Distinguished Professor,

The reading of your book Revolution and Counter-Revolution made a magnificent impression on me because of the courage and mastery with which you analyze the process of the Revolution and shed abundant light on the true causes of the crumbling of moral values disorienting consciences today. and also because of the vigor with which you indicate the tactic and the methods to overcome it.

I especially appreciated the second part of your book, highlighting the efficacy of Catholic doctrine and the spiritual remedies the Church possesses to combat and vanquish the forces and errors of the Revolution.

I am certain that your book has rendered an important service to the Catholic cause and that it will help gather the forces of good in order to soon solve this great contemporary problem. This is, in my opinion, the way repeatedly indicated by the present Vicar of Christ, who, with so much conviction and solicitude, has insisted on a profound renewal of Christian and sacramental life as a sure remedy for the evils afflicting the world, evils that government leaders vainly seek to solve through the precarious efficacy of weapons. technology, and purely human progress. I wish, most dear Professor, a widespread diffusion of and a well-merited response to your book from Catholic leaders wishing to join the ranks of the counter-revolutionary movement.

Please accept the testimony of my sincere admiration for your work and the expression of my deepest esteem.

Romolo Carboni
Titular Archbishop of Sidon
Apostolic Nuncio

Note: Archbishop Romolo Carboni was born in Fano, Italy, in 1911. Ordained in 1934, he was made a bishop in 1953. He was raised to the archepiscopate and appointed Apostolic Nuncio to Peru in 1959. He served as Nuncio to Italy from 1969 to 1936 and now lives in retirement in Fano.

http://tfp.org/what_we_think/rcr_book_online/rcr_letters.htm


13 posted on 05/02/2006 8:11:14 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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Rome, February 10, 1993

Distinguished Professor,
(letter sent to TFP founder, Prof. Plinio Correa de Oliveira)

It was with extreme interest, pleasure, and personal benefit that I read the Spanish copy of Prof. Plinio Correa de Oliveira's work dedicated to me with expressions of great affection and esteem, for which I am grateful.

Revolution and Counter-Revolutionis a masterly work whose teachings should be disseminated far and wide so as to penetrate the conscience, not only of all those who consider themselves truly Catholic, but I would say even more, of all other men of good will. In it, the latter would learn that salvation can be found only in Jesus Christ and His Church; the former would feel confirmed and fortified in their Faith and psychologically and spiritually forewarned and immunized against the cunning process that employs many of them as useful idiots or fellow travelers.

Its analysis of the revolutionary process is impressive and revealing on account of its realism and profound understanding of history, from the end of the Middle Ages in decadence, which paved the way for the paganizing Renaissance and the pseudo?Reformation, thence for the terrible French Revolution, and. soon after, atheistic Communism.

That historical analysis is not only external. The actions and reactions it deals with are also explained in light of the human psychology, both the individual psychology and the collective psychology of the masses. However, it is necessary to recognize that someone directs this profound and systematic de?Christianization. Man undoubtedly tends toward evil - pride and sensuality - but were not someone holding the reins of these disorderly tendencies and sagaciously coordinating them, they most probably would not have produced such a constant, skillful, and systematic action, which, tenaciously maintained, profits even from the ups and downs caused by the resistance and natural "reaction" of the opposing forces.

Revolution and Counter-Revolutionalso foresees, although using caution in its prognoses and by means of hypotheses, the next possible evolution of the revolutionary action and, in turn, that of the Counter-Revolution.

The book abounds in perspicacious sociological, political, psychological, and evolutive insights and observations, not few of which are worthy of an anthology. Many of them outline the intelligent "tactics" that favor the Revolution and those that may and should be used in a general counter-revolutionary "strategy."

In sum, I would dare to affirm that this is a prophetic work in the best sense of the word. It should be taught in the Church's centers of higher education so that at least the elite classes become fully aware of a crushing reality about which, I believe, they do not have a clear notion. This, among other things, would contribute to revealing and unmasking the useful idiots or fellow travelers, among whom are found many ecclesiastical figures, who act in a suicidal manner by playing the enemy's game; this group of idiots, allies of the Revolution, would in good measure disappear....

The second part of the book well explains the Counter?Revolution's nature and the courageous and "aggressive" tactics that counter?revolutionaries must implement while always avoiding excesses and improper and imprudent attitudes.

Before such realities, one doubts there is a true "strategy" in the Church as there is in the Revolution. One does find many "tactical" elements, actions, and institutions, but they seem to act in isolation, without a notion of the whole. The concept of a Counter-Revolution and the realization that a Counter-Revolution is acting could unify and provide a greater sense of collaboration within the Church.

I must congratulate the TFP movement for the stature and quality of its founder, Prof. Plinio. I foresee and desire with all my soul a vast development and a future full of counter?revolutionary successes for the TFP.

I conclude stating that the spirit with which this work is written greatly impresses me: It is a profoundly Christian spirit, one with a passionate love for the Church. This book is an authentic product of Christian wisdom. It is moving to find in a layman such a sincere devotion to the Mother of Jesus and ours - a clear sign of predestination. "Uncertain, like everyone, about tomorrow, we prayerfully raise our eyes to the lofty throne of Mary, Queen of the Universe.... We beseech the Virgin, therefore, to accept this filial homage, a tribute of love and an expression of absolute confidence in her triumph" (pp. 165, 167).

Rome, September 8, 1993
Feast of the Nativity of Our Lady
Fr. Anastasio Gutierrez


Note: Fr. Anastasio Gutierrrez, C.M.F., is one of the Catholic Church's most renowned canonists.

Born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in 1911, Father Gutierrez is a Spanish citizen who has lived in Rome for the last fifty years.
In Rome, he received his doctorate in Canon Law from the Pontifical Lateran University Later, he held a chair at that university's School of Canon Law, eventually becoming its dean. Father Gutierrez served as a peritus during the Second Vatican Council, and for many years was Cardinal Larraona's assistant in the Congregation for the Religious. He also is a founder of the Institutum Iuridicum Claretianum of Rome.
He participated in the commission charged to write the new Code of Canon Law, and is presently a consultant to the following Vatican dicasteries: Congregation for the Oriental Churches, Congregation for the Clergy, and Congregation for the Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life. He is also a consultant to the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, the highest Church organ for canonical questions.

More recently, Father Gutierrez became postulator of Queen Isabella of Castile's cause of canonization.

http://tfp.org/what_we_think/rcr_book_online/rcr_letters.htm


14 posted on 05/02/2006 8:12:14 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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"Boycott Da Vinci Code film": top Vatican official

Amato suggested that Catholics around the world should launch organized protests against the "The Da Vinci Code" film just as some had done in 1988 to protest against Martin Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/en_nm/vatican_davinci_dc_3


15 posted on 05/02/2006 8:16:02 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: bornacatholic
Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira,the founder of TFP was called the axiological principle (God) by his followers. PLinio had no use for the priesthood.

Source?

16 posted on 05/02/2006 8:16:49 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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TFP ("Tradition Family and Property") considers itself to be engaged in a mortal conflict with the Left. It consequently tends to depict any trouble it may get into, simply as the violent reaction of the "Revolution" against its heroic opponents, a notion which Introvigne has translated into the fiction of the "anti-cult movement". Actually, opposition to T.F.P. has come mostly from parents of T.F.P. members, themselves usually Catholic traditionalists, and from conservative and traditionalist Catholic quarters.

There are several reasons for this. In the first place, outside of Latin America, TFP generally keeps a low profile or operates through front organizations which the left usually does not understand. Skinhead-scalpers will turn elsewhere when they find a group like TFP whose writings are difficult to read, which is generally unobtrusive, and was founded by a man who sympathized for the British conservatives during the War (so much so that they took a pro-British stance during the Falkland War). TFP always viewed Fascism, with its optimistic cult of the State and the Nation, as a deviant form of "revolutionary socialism".

Another reason is that TFP is actually far to the right of virtually every other right-wing organization. Whatever feelings people may actually harbour deep down, I know of no other right-wing organization which publicly holds that the rich are better than the poor. Even the most extreme Catholic traditionalists tend to blame the modern world on "International Freemasonry" or on "the banker Mafia", whereas TFP puts the blame squarely on the rebellious poor, to whom it opposes its self-styled "rightism".

The third reason is doctrinal. Catholic traditionalists have problems with the "official" Church because of its supposed doctrinal deviation; but TFP is only interested in fighting agrarian reform, not in doctrine, which is why it was able to accept Vatican II and the reform of the liturgy. After all, the Pope has more battalions than Monsignor Lefèbvre ever had.

Also, Plinio's denial of the future role of priests - and the exclusion in the present of priests from all the more secret aspects of the group - led Monsignor Castro de Mayer, for decades Plinio's patron among the Brazilian bishops, to state:

"TFP is a heretical sect since, although they do not say so in words or in writing, lives and acts according to a principle which undermines the very basis of all true Christianity, that is the Catholic church". (Tradizione Famiglia Proprietà: Associazione cattolica o setta millenarista?, Rimini 1996, p. 6)

The extent of TFP's doctrinal deviation can be seen from the following document. I apologize to Catholic readers for including it, since it sounds very much like some of the more ribald songs nineteenth-century anticlericals used to sing after having had a drink too many. This "hymn" is however serious: a parody on one of the most revered hymns to the Virgin in the Catholic tradition, this is dedicated to Dona Lucilia, the mother of Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira:

Lady Lucilia, pray for us

Mother of Mister Doctor Plinio, pray for us

Mother of the Doctor of the Church, pray for us

Mother of our Father, pray for us

Mother of the Unspeakable, pray for us

Mother of all of us, pray for us

Mother of the coming centuries, pray for us

Mother of the Axiological Principle, pray for us

Mother of the Temperament of Synthesis, pray for us

Mother of all purity, pray for us

Mother of the Trans-sphere, pray for us

Mother of Seriousness, pray for us

Mother of the Counter-Revolution, pray for us

Restorer of Temperaments, pray for us

Source of Light, pray for us

Procreator of Innocence, pray for us

Preserver of Innocence, pray for us

Consoler of Mister Doctor Plinio, pray for us

Mediator of the Grand Retour, pray for us

Mediator of all our graces, pray for us

Dawn of the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us

Lady Lucilia of the smile, pray for us

Lady Lucilia of Flashes*, pray for us

Most beautiful flower of all, pray for us

Our refuge, pray for us

Our consoler, pray for us

Our help in the Bagarre, pray for us

Reason of our perseverance, pray for us

Vase of logic, pray for us

Vase of metaphysics, pray for us

Martyr of isolation, pray for us

Queen of serene suffering, pray for us

Queen of loveliness, pray for us

Queen of serenity, pray for us

Lady Lucilia, our Mother and Lady, help us

Lady Lucilia, our greatest mediator before the Virgin, help us

* In English (quoted in Tradizione Famiglia Proprietà: Associazione cattolica o setta millenarista?, Rimini 1996, pp. 70-71)

The most extraordinary claim here is also the most obscure,other of the Axiological Principle": this means a principle requiring no previous principle, in other words God himself. This hymn came into public domain when it was revealed by Prof. Orlando Fedeli, a member of TFP for over 30 years, who asked Mons. Antonio de Castro Mayer for his opinion on its orthodoxy. One can see where the roots of Introvigne's dislike for "apostates" lies. TFP did not deny the allegation; it simply shifted the blame on over-zealous young followers, and claimed the hymn to be perfectly orthodox ((Carlo Alberto Agnoli e Paolo Taufer, TFP: la maschera e il volto, Ed. Adveniat, S.Giustina di Rimini, s.d., p. 17 ss). - shifting the blame onto the boys is a time-honoured practice in certain kinds of organizations. It also claimed that use of the hymn had long been discontinued. The current official version of this issue is given by Roberto de Mattei in his hagiography of Doctor Plinio (Roberto de Mattei, Il crociato del secolo XX: Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, Piemme, Casale Monferrato, 1996, p. 249):

"It is true that for a certain period some co-operators of the association used a litany with invocations to Lady Lucilia, composed by two adolescents late in 1977. This litany was forbidden by Prof. Corrêa de Oliveira as soon as he got word of it"

Oddly, this hymn by Brazilian adolescents seems to have spread across the ocean, since it was certainly used in France in the early '80s, and a former AC member recently told me that some TFP affiliates were still using it in Italy in the early '90s. When nothing else works, shocked TFP sympathizers who discover this hymn are told that "things are different in Latin America": this happened to be a favourite stratagem in my group, New Acropolis, which came from Latin America too.

If Plinio's mother is the Virgin Lucilia, her offspring of course must be quite special. Just how special appears from an extraordinary episode, which can hardly be blamed on over-zealous adolescents, since it is based on a statement made by Plinio, repeated in many works on him, and - as usual - proudly narrated in Cristianità. ("In memoriam: Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira", November-December 1995, p. 6): "February 1st, 1975, in view of the increasingly difficult situation of the Catholic Church, and hence of the Catholic world, during a meeting of the Brazilian TFP, he offered himself as an expiatory victim. Thirty-six hours later he was seriously wounded in a car accident, the consequences of which followed him until his death"

More than its political character, it was this highly suspect theological nature of the group which led to its demnation by the Council of Brazilian bishop

During its 23rd plenary assembly, the Council of Brazilian bishops approved a note concerning the 'Brazilian Society for the Defence of Tradition, Family and Property', advising Catholics not to join the above mentioned Society […]. Its esoteric character, its religious fanaticism, the personality cult of the founder and of his mother, the abuse of the name of the Virgin Mary […] can absolutely not be approved of by the Church" (Osservatore Romano, July 7, 1985, p. 12, n. 408, weekly Spanish edition quoted in Tradizione Famiglia Proprietà: Associazione cattolica o setta millenarista?, Rimini 1996, frontispiece)

The terms "cult" or "sect", with their double meaning of "deviant religious behaviour compared to an institutional religion" and a "closed totalist group", are certainly ambiguous. But this condemnation of TFP reveals why the organization was certainly considered by some to be a "cult" in the first sense of the word; and why therefore this organization took a special interest in the issue of "cults" in 1985, that is exactly when Introvigne too started involving himself in this matter.

Former TFP members have written that Plinio was well aware of this association. Referring to cult accusations, he used to tell them:

"This must not come as a surprise; since you belong to TFP, you will be treated as if you belonged to a cult, by your very parents and friends! It will be terrible, and it will be hard indeed to stay faithful."

(Tradizione Famiglia Proprietà: Associazione

17 posted on 05/02/2006 8:17:38 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: concernedAmerican1

Thanks for posting this.


18 posted on 05/02/2006 8:20:49 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: bornacatholic

Why do you insist on bringing these off-the-wall calumnies against this group?

I suspect you've never even addressed your questions honestly them with them. Did you ever ask them for an explanation?


19 posted on 05/02/2006 8:21:32 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: bornacatholic
Also, Plinio's denial of the future role of priests

If this is true, then why does the American TFP seek the endorsement of priests for their books? If this is true, then why does a smart man like Fr. Triglio of EWTN endorse one of their books?

20 posted on 05/02/2006 8:21:49 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: concernedAmerican1
Marian Horvat is one of the founders of the American TFP. Her brother John is still with it.

Marian Horvat: The "Nice Girl"

By A. Gerard Nordskoven

Watching a Catholic community autodestruct is wrenching. The Society for Tradition, Family & Property, or TFP, is eating Kansas City alive. It is a scenario played out all over the world. TFP is an all-male secret society promoting a "higher" calling than the priesthood, the warrior-monk. TFP is a cold-blooded vocation killer. Not one priest has arisen from their "conservative" formation of young men anywhere in its international ranks since its founding in the early sixties. None. One of TFP's slickest Screwtapes has been a woman, Marian Horvat. Horvat, president of the TFP's California offshoot, Tradition in Action, distinguished herself as one of four collaborating signatories to "We Resist You to the Face," a manifesto for Catholic schism. Before that, Horvat's duties were in the heartland, and more along the line of "We Stab You in the Back" with the quiet destruction of the faithful. She's a "nice girl", well-spoken and polite. And she gave TFP and their ideas entré into nice families. The Catholic scholars at her alma mater, K.U., saw through the Horvat family obsession with TFP and rejected their overtures to infiltrate the Integrated Humanities Program, a veritable incubator for clerics and other religious. Others have not been so discerning. Pious boys exploring their calling have hardened into caustic snobs who are taught by TFP recruiters to despise their parents as "the fountain of my revolution."

The simplest mystery of Judeo-Christianity is election. Yet it is almost unfathomable that the Most High chooses to grace souls and peoples for reasons unknown to man. The antithesis of election, indeed a tenet of Babylonian Mystery Religions (as is secrecy), is elitism. This is man exalting himself above other men. We were warned. The Lord reviled the people's desire for a king to rule over them, and told of their inevitable exploitation. Hindu elitism is writ in the squalor of a rigid caste system. The unholy marriage of elitism and Catholicity was fabricated in TFP founder Plinio's book, The Nobility and Traditional Elites. It was offered for sale after the Latin Mass approved by the KCMO Bishop. $50.00 was the penance exacted for presuming to be a noble, elite Catholic. But the young salesmen were friends of Marian, glowingly praised in the tome. And she was smart, a K.U. teaching assistant who hammered a journalism degree into a doctorate in Medieval History.

Few read the lavishly illustrated book, consigning it to the coffee table. In Nobility, the race and blood cults condemned by Piux XII are resurrected in his own words, spin doctored to fit TFP's agenda. Pius XII's flattering pleas to the nobility of Italy for funds to feed the starving during World War II are transformed into support for TFP's militant monarchists. Published two years before Plinio's death, Marian Horvat garnered high honors from the author for her assistance. That's saying a lot. Plinio Correa de Oliveira was a self-styled demigod, described reflexively in a TFP litany to his mother, Dona Lucilia, as the "Axiological Principle," or First Cause, a divinity. That's the secret side of TFP. In Plinio's book, the elite are defined as bluebloods, and as "professors" like himself and Marian. It is a predatory philosophy of NON SERVIAM, like the fictional spaceman's cookbook, "How to Serve Man." Horvat's brother adds information for the American audience. The elite of America were the Southern slaveholder in general, and genetic marvels like Robert E. Lee in specific. Here is the race and blood cult American style.

Priests do not fit into the TFP schema. They serve. They are poor. They don't rule countries. The colorful "scroll" centerfold in Nobility proclaims "the preferential option for the nobility." John Paul II's "preferential option for the poor" is directly contradicted. That's refreshing. There can be no question whose side they are on. The schismatic heraldry of "We Resist You to the Face" was just a flourish on a split with the Servant of Servants started years before. TFP disdains the priesthood, predicting it's obsolescence. No priests, no Eucharist. Wormwood, be advised. Horvat's crocodile tears for lost vocations as inspiring "We Resist You to the Face" are hypocritical. Styling herself a latter day Joan of Arc, Horvat is a free agent serving only demigod Plinio and the Ten Kings of the Antichrist with no regard for prelates unless they are useful as camouflage for TFP, or Tradition in Action, or the America Needs Fatima cash cow. Radical materialism is the name of the game and another hallmark of Babylonian Mystery Religions. That's the philosophical basis for Communism, so it is no surprise that K.U.'s long-time campus Communist converted to Horvat's brand of Catholicism. One gets all the exploitation without any of the guilt. The poor are solicited by mail for a dollar a day, and the wealthy get quietly approached for donations of homes, large sums of money, and farms, not to mention the entrustment of children. Horvat guided the formation of young women in her home-school Sodality, and the children of "traditional" Catholics in other educational venues.

Marian Horvat is an apt pupil of TFP's techniques, and ingratiates herself to the wealthy, well-educated and powerful only. Peasants are the enemy, and perhaps too reminiscent of her blue-collar background. Catholic scholars cotton to her, and she sailed her pirate ship under their colors whenever possible. Alice Von Hildebrand was shamefully used in discussions aired on EWTN. She slipped one over on the elderly philosopher by dropping Plinio's name into the mix. EWTN got wind of it and axed the "Feminity and Feminism" series. But this virago is far from feminine. Horvat's favorite ploy for testing the mettle of protegés at the family compound was to invite them over and release their snapping, snarling German Shephards. Some left, some signed on to continue undermining the Catholic community in her stead. Horvat came razor close to imposing a TFP school on Kansas City residents under the banner of a conservative Catholic education. The monied Texas woman Horvat talked into bankrolling the venture got wind of her unseemly connections and mercifully withdrew.

Watch for this coiling snake of Babylonian cast, and beg the Blessed Virgin to have bare feet ready to crush its head. Postcards may be found in the back of church from "America Needs Fatima." One response and it is virtually impossible to be free from TFP's dunning direct mail solicitation. And the Boys from Brazil are very appealing as they march like Medieval militants in their red capes, inserting themselves at the head of pro-life rallies, or setting up bookstalls at Catholic conferences, usually without permission. They are spoiling for a fight, and it is not with the forces of evil for which they claim they need lots of cash. It is with the Magisterium, in that they are already condemned by the Brazilian bishops conference, their home country. It is with Peter, as "We Resist You to the Face" obsequiously declares. It is with God, as blithely breaking the first command to honor no false gods. That's Plinio, who did not arise from the dead as he prophesied of himself. And do watch out for nice girls in pearls.

-- Opinion piece (c) A. Gerard Nordskoven, 2001. All Rights Reserved. Pictures: Left, Marian Horvat, Atila Sinke Guimaraes; center, Michael Matt, and Right, top, John Vennari, and, below, Christopher Ferrara, apologist for Remnant/Guimaraes tract. Integrists Showing Their Hand "In our view a possible future declaration of a sede vacante ('the period of time when the Apostolic See is empty, as a consequence of the heresy of the Pope,' CFN 7/2000) would take place automatically when the Church would become aware of the gravity of the present day errors and who is responsible for them." (1) ---We Resist The Pope To His Face, V.3 So there we have it, despite all the spin, tucked away neatly at the very end of their We Resist You.... mainfesto, though it is the very foundation of their errors and audacity: it will, according to the Matt, Guimaraes, Horvat, and Vennari, only take the "true" ideal Church to "become aware" of what these Integrists predict (that the Pope is a "heretic", in substantial rupture with Tradition in several dogmatic areas) -- and then? Retroactive-sedevacantism; the Popes they disgree with will be desposed! the same Sedevacantism to which they (the signers of the We Resist [the Pope] To His Face manifesto) are clearly implicitly committed now, though they tried in the past to play it coy through doublespeak and obfuscation when possible. Of course they deny it when convenient. But most people are not stupid. This is how these deluded souls can urge the public to follow them and officially "suspend obedience" to all the Popes since John XXIII, charging them with heresies and rupture with Tradition, and declare a "sustained public resistance," since they simply do not believe that the Council or present Holy Father has the authority to "bind" them. They have created an alternative, parody-church. Michael Matt, Atila Guimaraes will lead them. They alone will measure Truth. It is tragic. And they were warned by many. I myself warned Michael Matt that he was losing control and headed toward the cliffs. In vain. Their implicit sedevacantism is the very foundation of their belligerence and their call for "all traditionalists" to unite under such a reckless banner. They alone will be the arbiters of what is and is not Catholic, not the living teaching magisterium (see our Integrist section on the relationship between Tradition and the living Magisterium) . Such, tragically, is the hubris of schism. (See also our article below , "Why the Integrists Must Back Back-Pedal"; but this is not new for this group; their trajectory has been clear, whatever fine legalistic distinctions and convoluted arguments they proffer, even quoting JPII in their defense!!!!! ). These and their defenders (Chris Ferrara, Tom Woods -- a Lutheran just several years ago -- now instructing the Pope on Catholicism, Jonathan Tuttle, John -- "Paul VI is the escatological Antichrist" -- Parrot, et al) are all of one essential mind. To defend and appear with them is to join them, to propagate their errors and midwife schism. As the extreme trad conferences draw fewer and fewer people, they are now combining efforts: TFP'ers, Grunerite Fatima cash-cowites, rigorist Feeneyites, Sedevacantists, etc.

21 posted on 05/02/2006 8:22:56 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: concernedAmerican1

They are documented facts Americans being recruited to join TFP ought know.


22 posted on 05/02/2006 8:24:33 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
Marian Horvat is one of the founders of the American TFP.

I thought the TFP don't let women in as members.

23 posted on 05/02/2006 8:24:52 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: bornacatholic

You think this protest is a "recruitment" drive?


24 posted on 05/02/2006 8:25:56 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: concernedAmerican1

Bornacatholic is a good fiction writer. But his theories about the TFP don't add up, anymore than Dan Brown's do. I've know the TFP for 30 years and what he says is innacurate or simply false. Seek the truth and you will find it, my friend.


25 posted on 05/02/2006 8:26:10 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: Pyro7480

public relations. they realize the facts are getting out about them.


26 posted on 05/02/2006 8:26:13 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

The truth has been coming out since 1961?


27 posted on 05/02/2006 8:28:10 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Pyro7480

Good point, pyro7480. I know for a fact that some members of the TFP have become priets. "Bornacatholic" doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't even like the idea of making acts of reparation against the blasphemous Da Vinci Code movie, a brutal attack against God and His Holy Church. SO who side is "bornacatholic" on???? I wonder.


28 posted on 05/02/2006 8:31:57 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: concernedAmerican1; wideawake
One can't help but wonder where illgal aliens (most of them Catholic Mexicans) would stand on this issue.

Unfortunately we'll never know because for some reason racial/civilizational identity always trumps religious identity. If white and Black Fundamentalists and "gringo' and Hispanic Catholics actually behaved as co-religionists then the Left wouldn't stand a chance. But all four groups prioritize their racial identity, making white Catholics and Fundamentalists into one camp and Black Fundamentalists and Hispanic Catholics into another. Then morality is identified with "white civilization" instead of universal G-d-given Law and the Blacks and Hispanics are herded into leftist ghettoes where their votes are allied with those of homosexuals and atheists. And things seem to be getting worse rather than better. Every day race grows more and more important and religion less and less. Religious rituals are "rightwing" when performed by Anglo-Celtic Catholics and "leftwing" when performed by Hispanics. And even "conservative" Catholics often stress European civilization over and above Catholic theology.

Bottom line: one is either loyal to G-d alone or one is not loyal to G-d. He is indeed a Jealous G-d and will brook no divided loyalties or identities whatsoever. It is no wonder than whenever religious identity is partnered with other identities (racial, national, civilizational) that G-d shrinks into a civilizational totem. But to reject all loyalties other than that to G-d is "religious fanaticism," and apparently even racists consider that distasteful.

I am grateful to G-d for making me a "religious fanatic!"

29 posted on 05/02/2006 8:33:15 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'khah ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibbatel mimennah.)
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To: Pyro7480
I guess Bishop Castro de Mayer personally and the Brazilian Bishops collectively were engaged in an evil conspiracy to defame Plinio and his cult.

And that also holds true for the founders of the American branch of the TFP, Attila Guimaeres and Marian Horvat, They, similarly, are victims of a conspiracy meant to defame them. And their public statements of with-holding obedience to the Pope is really an indication of their fidelity to the Church Jesus established as disobedience is now a sign of authenticity in traditionalism

It is always that way in a cult, isn't it? They are innocent laity trying to be leaven in the world but the mean old Institutional Church conspires against them and says bad things about the individual around whom the cult formed itself

30 posted on 05/02/2006 8:36:31 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: concernedAmerican1
Please post any of my words indicating I hold the position you falsely accuse me of holding.

I know you don't like it when I post facts about TFP but making nasty personal attacks in response will only tend to show the truth of what I have posted.

31 posted on 05/02/2006 8:40:10 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

Goodness, all I was doing was pointing out inconsistencies in your posts. Chill out.


32 posted on 05/02/2006 8:41:19 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: All

Argue the issues all you want, but don't make it personal.


33 posted on 05/02/2006 8:42:00 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: bornacatholic

Saying that you don't "know what you're talking about" is a personal attack?


34 posted on 05/02/2006 8:42:26 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: bornacatholic

"And that also holds true for the founders of the American branch of the TFP, Attila Guimaeres and Marian Horvat..."

OK, there are many falsehoods. The above statement is one. These two individuals are not (NOT) part of the American TFP or any other TFP. They have their own independing organization, without any ties to the TFP.

I did the research on it. Did you?


35 posted on 05/02/2006 8:45:12 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: bornacatholic; wideawake
Wow. Strange. So how did idolatry of European civilization get started in a Third World country like Brazil?

It's also unusual to see a far right wing organization that blatantly supports the rich against the poor. Most far right movements are "populist" and tend to blame the revolution on rich conspirators.

The tailoring of the racialist message to each country is another example of "palaeoconservative" relativism and rejection of universals.

36 posted on 05/02/2006 8:45:22 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'khah ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibbatel mimennah.)
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To: Pyro7480
*Mario Derksne is a sedevacantist. Hi swebsite proudly supports Guimaraes and Horvat, founders of the American TFP

The DAILY CATHOLIC is honored to add Atila Sinke Guimarães to our list of contributing columnists. He is the distinguished author of the 11-volume collection Eli, Eli, Lamma Sabacthani (My God, My God, Why hast Thou forsaken me?). To date two volumes of this collection have been published in English: In the Murky Waters of Vatican II and Animus Delendi- 1 (Desire to Destroy). In 1999 a special edition to the Collection, Quo Vadis, Petre? was also released.

This prolific writer was born in Rio de Janiero and tutored by his esteemed mentor Professor Plinio Correa de Oliveira for many years. Both Atila and his mentor spent many years in studies and researches, which included several trips to Europe and other countries of South America.

He is co-author of two timely statements addressed to Pope John Paul II on the responsibility of the Pontiff in upholding Church doctrine and tradition in We Resist You to the Face and An Urgent Plea: Do Not Change the Papacy.

His most recent work is a photo book co-authored with Marian T. Horvat entitled Previews of the New Papacy. He has also authored numerous booklets published by Tradition In Action, Inc. which we highly endorse.

Atila Guimarães is a contributor to Catholic periodicals, and has regular columns in The Remnant, Catholic Family News, and now The DAILY CATHOLIC. In February 2000, the International Biographical Center of Cambridge included him in the 2000 Outstanding Writers of the 20th Century in honor of his contribution in the field of Contemporary Religious Analysis.

His resume represents years of studies which began with Engineering from 1964-67; Law studies 1967-70; three years of French Literature; four years of Medieval History Studies; four years of Catholic Church History; eight years studying Philosophy as well as Politics; with sixteen years of Apologetics on Contemporary Religious Studies.

Marian Therese Horvat, Ph.D.

We are proud to introduce to the reader Marian Therese Horvat. She holds a degree in Journalism and a Master's and Doctorate in Medieval History from the University of Kansas. Her specialty is cultural history and she will write a regular column in her "Echoes of True Catholicism" as well as collaborate with Atila Sinke Guimarães on the inspiring column "Cultivating Catholic Culture."

Her background is in teaching, first in teaching Western Civilization in the Great Books Program at the University of Kansas in Lawrence as well as serving as a principal and founder of private Catholic independent schools in Kansas and Texas. In addition she assisted for many years families establishing home schooling.

Dr. Horvat has spoken at numerous Catholic conferences throughout the United States. She writes for various Catholic periodicals, and has regular columns in The Remnant, Catholic Family News, and now The DAILY CATHOLIC. She is author of Our Lady of Good Success: Prophecies for Our Times, and co-author of the timely statements We Resist You to the Face, An Urgent Plea: Do Not Change the Papacy, and Previews of the New Papacy.

She is president of Tradition in Action, Inc., a center for Catholic culture and apologetics. They have many books and tapes available at Tradition In Action, Inc. and we strongly recommend all of them.

*When an infamous sedevacantist has as contributors to his sedevacantist webiste, the founders of the American Branch of TFP, then one doesn't have to be acutely keen in matters spiritual to realize the American TFP was founded as an organization in opposition to the Catholic Church.

37 posted on 05/02/2006 8:47:49 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Zionist Conspirator

agreed


38 posted on 05/02/2006 8:48:52 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Two commandments defend the right to private property, for your information. Does that amount to class-struggle, rich against poor, as you suggest? Land reform according to Catholic doctrine is wrong.


39 posted on 05/02/2006 8:49:31 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: Pyro7480

He doesn't even like the idea of making acts of reparation against the blasphemous Da Vinci Code movie, a brutal attack against God and His Holy Church


40 posted on 05/02/2006 8:50:04 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: concernedAmerican1
Is the studio paying you for all the publicity you are providing for them? If you're gonna do their work for them you should, at least, get paid.
41 posted on 05/02/2006 8:55:07 AM PDT by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: Uriah_lost

Do you even care about blasphemy?
Are you even Catholic?

Fr. Andrew McCormick of Philadelphia, reminds us of St. Catherine of Sienna’s quote: “We had enough exhortations to be silent. Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues! I see that the world is rotten because of silence.”

He also reminds us that Pope Felix III said that not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and, indeed, not to confront evil men, when we are able, is no less a sin than to encourage them.

“Whosoever shall confess Me before men, I will also confess before My Father, Who is in Heaven.” Matthew 10:28.

St. Jerome said that even dogs come to the defense of their masters and that he would rather die than remain silent as God is blasphemed. If brute animals defend their masters, how can we fail to stand up for our Creator and Redeemer?

Just as the Rosary is a battering ram for Catholics in fighting evil, the devil has one too…blasphemy. He uses it to break down men’s faith by constantly attacking the sacred persons of Jesus and Mary, whom we love. When the sacred is mocked time and time again, many grow tired of defending it and the sacred then diminishes in their minds. So, besides defending the honor of Jesus, Mary, and our Catholic faith, we have the obligation to fight blasphemy to boost people’s faith.

To rally protests against blasphemy shows other Catholics, who are tempted to think they are alone, that they are not alone.

Some say that protesting draws more people to see the blasphemy. This is not true. For example, the blasphemous sculpture of Our Lady of Guadalupe that was exhibited in Santa Fe, NM has not been heard from since the public protest that took place there.
Did Veronica worry about the publicity issue when she wiped Our Lord’s face during the Passion? She was concerned about the offense being made against Him and did everything in her power to alleviate His suffering. She wasn’t concerned about what people thought. She saw the object of her love, Our Lord, offended, attacked and suffering. She didn’t ask herself if she would be giving more publicity to the outrage being committed against Jesus Christ.

If to keep silent is the correct procedure, how Our Lord Jesus Christ must have erred in denouncing and chastising the blasphemers and scandalizers! How Holy Mother Church must have erred in following His divine steps during twenty centuries of glorious fight against all kind of errors and evils.

There is evidence suggesting film critics are swayed by the public’s perception of a play or film. When blasphemous films or plays are not met with a cry of public outrage, critics tend to write favorable or neutral reviews. On the other hand, when people speak out against blasphemous plays and films, critics follow suit.

St. Bernard teaches that all other sins are caused by human frailty or ignorance, but that sins of blasphemy come from the malice of the human heart.



42 posted on 05/02/2006 9:00:19 AM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: bornacatholic

You have people mediating between you and the virgin Mary?
( Lucia).
How many layers are there?


43 posted on 05/02/2006 9:04:29 AM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: bornacatholic

Ah, that is an assumption. What do you think anyway?


44 posted on 05/02/2006 9:05:43 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: bornacatholic
*Mario Derksne is a sedevacantist. Hi swebsite proudly supports Guimaraes and Horvat, founders of the American TFP

Guilt by association? I still can't see Marian Horvat "founding" the American TFP, since the TFP's all over the world only have male members.

45 posted on 05/02/2006 9:07:10 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Uriah_lost
Is the studio paying you for all the publicity you are providing for them? If you're gonna do their work for them you should, at least, get paid.

See the link in post #6.

46 posted on 05/02/2006 9:08:29 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So how did idolatry of European civilization get started in a Third World country like Brazil?

In the early 1800s a large portion of the Portuguese aristocracy fled Portugal in the face of the conquering Napoleonic armies.

The heir to the Portuguese throne officially moved the seat of the Portuguese monarchy to the colonial capital of Rio de Janeiro and proclaimed himself Emperor of Brazil.

He and his associates and relatives recreated an Old World style court and aristocracy in the New World and it had a profound cultural impact on Brazilian society - add to the royalty and aristocracy the fact that 75% of the Brazilian population lived according to the manorial system of tenant farmers and actual serfs and you have the society of medieval Europe replicated in miniature in 1820s Brazil.

It's also unusual to see a far right wing organization that blatantly supports the rich against the poor.

It's more complex than that - a TFPer will have greater respect for a cultured layabout who scrounges off friends and associates as long as he goes to Mass and can document his family connection to the Habsburgs than they will for a wealthy Catholic who built a multimillion dollar fortune in plumbing supply.

47 posted on 05/02/2006 9:23:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: concernedAmerican1
Two commandments defend the right to private property, for your information. Does that amount to class-struggle, rich against poor, as you suggest? Land reform according to Catholic doctrine is wrong.

I don't recall saying anything about property or its confiscation, though there are a school of rightwing Catholics called "distributivists" who might disagree with you.

When I was in the JBS I was told the super-rich were secretly behind Communism. It's very unusual to find a far right group that condemns the poor instead.

48 posted on 05/02/2006 11:16:57 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'khah ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibbatel mimennah.)
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To: wideawake
Sounds like a form of rightwingery that has heretofore not existed in the United States. IIRC these Brazilian aristocrats were opposed to the centralized fascist dictatorship of Getulio Vargas. But I'm still used to hearing the super-rich blamed for Communism and rightwing populism based on Anglo vs. Hispanic than anything like this.

It's more complex than that - a TFPer will have greater respect for a cultured layabout who scrounges off friends and associates as long as he goes to Mass and can document his family connection to the Habsburgs than they will for a wealthy Catholic who built a multimillion dollar fortune in plumbing supply.

They must be among those awaiting a temporal messiah (for which they condemn the Jews) among the Habsburgs.

49 posted on 05/02/2006 11:21:37 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'khah ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibbatel mimennah.)
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To: wideawake

I neglected one important point. To these particular kind of rightwing Catholics Catholicism seems inseparable from the European establishment. What do they make of the church of the martyrs before Constantine? Fundamentalist Protestants (and surprisingly, Malachi Martin) tend to look on that church as the purest while these TFP types barely seem to acknowledge its existence.


50 posted on 05/02/2006 11:28:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'khah ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibbatel mimennah.)
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