Skip to comments.The Suiciding of the Church (SNAP and VOTF go after the Catholic Church)
Posted on 05/06/2006 6:02:52 AM PDT by NYer
"This is an ancient, rigid, secretive, top-down, all-male monarchy. It always has been. It always will be. The answer is not to reform them, but to go around them and to contain them."
Whatever constructive role these groups once played in the national dialogue about the abuses perpetrated by predatory, largely homosexual priests, it has long since past. In fact, they dont seek dialogue at all. Clohessy now counsels against dialogue with bishops and instead urges Catholics to lobby state legislatures to exempt dioceses from statutes of limitation that prevent an endless stream of aging, often dubious, claims.
High profile plaintiffs attorneys are wasting no time. Attorney Jeffrey Anderson is taking advantage of Californias lifting of its statute to sue the s*** out of [the Catholic Church] everywhere. Cincinnatis Stan Chesley successfully coaxed the nearby Diocese of Covington, Kentucky, to settle for $85 million, pocketing 30% of the take for himself and his co-counsel. Despite the fact that Chesley overestimated the number of claimants for Covingtons funds by a factor of two-to-one, he had the audacity to claim that 30% is a low figure, since he usually takes home between 33% and 40%.
Lets gain some perspective here. As bad as the abuses brought to light during 2002s Long Lent were, they pale in comparison to those committed by the employees of another venerable institution: the public school system.
The May 2006 Crisis magazine reports the findings of Hofstra Universitys Charol Shakeshaft: 6.7% of all students in the United States report being sexually abused in a physical manner by an educator in public schools.
Catholic author and blogger Mark Shea recently wrote that
in a single year, 1998, the Dept of Justice listed 103,600 cases of sexual abuse in public schools. From 1950 to 2003, there were 10,667 reported cases of clergy sexual abuse. That's 10 times as much in one year as there were in 53 years in the Church. Yet nobody is passing laws singling out teachers for special exemption from ordinary laws. Only Catholics.Shea calls what Clohessy and his attorney cohorts are urging the suiciding of the Church. And if these folks are successful, thats precisely what it will be. Take Catholic schools, for example. Nationwide, approximately ten percent of elementary school students are educated in Catholic institutions. And although estimates vary, its a safe bet that half of the average parish budget goes to maintaining its school.
As a Catholic, I believe I have a duty to help sexual abuse victims heal. And I have an equal obligation to the Catholics who came before me, and the ones who will come after me, to pass along the Faith and the resources with which I was entrusted. Theyre not mine to throw away.
I've REPEATEDLY written to my local fishwrap about the FAR GREATER sexual crimes of the gov't schools. However, they won't print the letters or respond to me. The media is the enemy of the Catholic Church and the protector to the govt school system and enablers of their sexual crimes
You are right. The biggest danger to the faithful of the Church are not anti Catholic outsiders- but to the so called Catholic insiders who disguise their desire for the Church's downfall with pleadings for Reform. Yes there are good Catholics who want to see true Reform. Meaning a return to the teachings of the Church by her Clergy and laity. A return to a liturgy that truly glorifies God and His love for us. These reformers love the Church as Christ's bride on Earth and would never prostitute her.
But those like VOTF want a false Reformation. One that denies the Church's teachings and sets them up as their own popes. You can tell the enemies of the Church by their fruits. Bitterness, rancor, hatred, disobedience, contempt and slander are not fruits of the Holy Spirit. These are fruits of the Spirit of The Age.
These wolves need to be sent packing and kept out of the sheep fold.
|Voice of the Faithful (VOTF)||From their mission statement, they are attempting to "3. Shape structural change within Church." This is intended to make a "democratic" Church which clearly violates the hierarchical structure which has always existed and is reemphasized in Vatican II Lumen Gentium. The chairman James Muller states in a National Catholic Reporter article on April 26, 2002, ìWe have donation without representation, and we have to change that.î Also on a CNN interview dated April 29, 2002, the chairman desires cafeteria Catholicism: "... our goal is to provide a democracy for the laity, so that the laity can decide what they want and then counterbalance the absolute power, which we have now of the hierarchy." See more details below.|
|When Wolves Dress Like Sheep: Close Look at Voice of the Faithful||Deal Hudson||But notice the bait-and-switch tactic used [by VOTF] in listing its three goals. Everyone can rally behind the cry of supporting faithful priests and the abused, but "change within the church" could encompass a variety of "changes" that are well outside the Church's teaching. (off-site)|
|An Inside Look at Voice of the Faithful||Danny DeBruin||As the subject says. (off-site)|
|Dissidents Advance Usual Agenda||Paul Likoudis||VOTF is a clone of Call to Action. (off-site)|
|A Pastoral Letter From Your Priests [regarding VOTF]||Rev. Thomas A. Frechette||Pastoral letter in response to parishioner queries regarding VOTF. (off-site)|
Are these priests homosexuals or are they pedophiles? Has this distinction been clearly determined? In either case, obviously, this behavior is despicable.
I would like to be able to give a knowledgeable answer to someone who insists they are not homosexuals, but pedophiles.
Actually they are both. Homosexual because they desire same sex relations and pedophiles because they desire these relations with children.
The even greater tradegy is that these perverts are sheltered and protect by the Catholic Church which claims to be the church established by Jesus and recognizes a Pope who claims to be God's spokesman on earth.
Thank you for your answer. If it's even worth making a distinction when referring to those guilty of sexual abuse, the victims of abuse by SOME priests were, for the most part, teenagers or pre-teens. Pedophiles attack children of any age and both sexes. While I won't flat out disagree with you, there is a difference. Yet you may be correct in labeling these wayward priests as guilty of both abnormalities.
...the Catholic Church which claims to be...
Here you point to the Church's cover-up (and yes, it certainly was a cover-up) and protection of the perverted priests that they KNEW had committed heinous crimes.
The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church demands that Catholics believe and follow everything they teach.
On the subject of priestly abuse, and I exclude the majority of priests, I believe the knowledge of this stuff going on was well-known to many, or maybe most priests. Not just the bishops who passed these miscreants around from parish to parish. How could these going-ons have eluded the ears of the whole brotherhood of priests. If true, what percentage played a role by keeping their mouths shut?
I cannot deny the brain and ability to reason which God gave me, anymore than you or anyone else with some intelligence can do. I cannot, will not, pretend to be "blind" when I am not.
While I grant you it's hard to swallow the indictments of the guilty priests while believing others of equal guilt avoid the same treatment, let's face it...the behaviour is still wrong.
Getting a ticket for disobeying driving laws is a perfect comparison. Why me, when I constantly witness others breaking the law? Answer: Because I also broke the law and happened to get caught doing it! Unfair? Who DOESN'T feel that way? But is it?
And in your back yard are public school districts who hide many more of these malefactors and who are protected by sovereign immunity. Meanwhile the Bots Scouts are exposed to calumny for doing a better job of protecting youth--or did. I imagine they are less diligent about protecting their flocks from the wolves out of fear from being sued to death.
He should know by this time that he is being used by people who hate the Catholic Church. Has he ever looked into the evidence that the public schools are more worthy of his attention than the Church. With three million teachers out there, and the growing boldness of sexual predators, the likelihood of there being in the schools in great numbers seems higher than ever. Anecdotally,as a former union rep, My guess is that the percentage of perverts is not high, probably less than in the general population, but just think: One of a hundred mounts up to a lot of people, and given the number of districts (more than 10,000)in the United States, and the scant attention they pay to last minute hires/emergency hires, means that the bishops are not the only ones who are negligent in such matters.
Argument? That's not my word, it is yours. You took a big leap from I would like to give a knowledgeable answer to calling that an argument. Let's be more careful about calling a poster's sincere question "silly". It may backfire.
Sorry I misunderstood you. This "someone" also came across to me as defending the homosexual lifestyle.