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"Gandalf" thinks the Bible should have a disclaimer as a work of fiction
Bettnet ^ | May 17, 2006

Posted on 05/17/2006 1:55:19 PM PDT by NYer

Here’s a quick reminder, in case you needed it: Just because an actor portrays a character in a movie you really, really like, and even if he does it really well, it doesn’t mean he’s not an ass. Just so you know.

On a related note, Ian McKellen, who played Gandalf in “The Lord of the Rings” and who plays Leah Teabing in “The Da Vinci Code,” replies to demands that move include a disclaimer by saying that the Bible itself should have a disclaimer. In an interview on the “Today Show” as transcribed on the NewsBusters blog, he says:

“Well, I’ve often thought the Bible should have a disclaimer in the front saying this is fiction. I mean, walking on water, it takes an act of faith. And I have faith in this movie. Not that it’s true, not that it’s factual, but that it’s a jolly good story. And I think audiences are clever enough and bright enough to separate out fact and fiction, and discuss the thing after they’ve seen it.”
Incidentally, on this whole disclaimer business, every movie includes a disclaimer at the end of the credits that usually says a variation on “All people, places, and events in this work are fictional and any resemblance to actual people, places, and events is entirely coincidental.” If this doesn’t compromise the artistic integrity, such as it is, of the moviemakers, why should putting it up front do so?


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1 posted on 05/17/2006 1:55:21 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Here's Ganswein's reaction.

2 posted on 05/17/2006 1:56:53 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

*sigh*


3 posted on 05/17/2006 2:01:42 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: NYer

Well, everyone's entitled to their own incorrect two-bit opinions.


4 posted on 05/17/2006 2:01:45 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. 17,400+ snide replies and counting!)
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To: theDentist; NYer
Well, everyone's entitled to their own incorrect two-bit opinions.

The problem with McKellan is that he insists on putting his two-bits where they don't belong. Oh, and he shoots his mouth off a lot, too.

5 posted on 05/17/2006 2:07:36 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: NYer; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; Raquel; kassie; Miss Marple
“ I mean, walking on water, it takes an act of faith...."

Ummm... yeah!

That's why not everyone gets to Heaven.

6 posted on 05/17/2006 2:19:46 PM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: NYer

He is a $3 bill. His opinions are irrelevant.

"Oh, are you saying the opinions of all queers are irrelevant?"

Only when they express them!


7 posted on 05/17/2006 2:22:03 PM PDT by Prost1 (We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!")
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To: NYer
He plays a man named "Leah" in the movie? Or is he playing a woman?
8 posted on 05/17/2006 2:27:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Knights of Columbus martyrs of Mexico, pray for us! Vivo Cristo Rey!)
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To: NYer
I think McKellan needs have a disclaimer that he's a man.
9 posted on 05/17/2006 2:30:23 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: NYer
They could put a disclaimer in it. Indeed they could go further. They could burn it, prohibit it, make reading it a crime punishable by prison. It wouldn't make a jot of difference. People would still read and believe.

It's Divine, you see. Outside the ambit of mere human logic.

There's nothing new under the sun they say, and so it is with McKellan's twaddle. The 20th century saw the rise of entire countries and empires which indoctrinated their citizens unceasingly with exactly what McKellan says: the Bible is mere fiction.

The result? Well let's just say that those empires crumbled, faith survived and indeed grew. Just as it now grows in China.

McKellen is to be pitied. Pray for him.

10 posted on 05/17/2006 3:13:12 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: theDentist

LOL well put!
susie


11 posted on 05/17/2006 3:30:34 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Northern Yankee
I have decided that they are making these inane comments (Ron Howard has made some as well) because they are trying to lure people into seeing the film. Judging from the initial reviews, it is a big stink-bomb, even if the religious material is disregarded. HA!

God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.

12 posted on 05/17/2006 4:03:19 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: NYer; netmilsmom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1633988/posts


13 posted on 05/17/2006 4:27:45 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: NYer

It has long been known that those who live in open defiance of God and His expressed will usually denigrate it.


14 posted on 05/17/2006 4:33:26 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/da_vinci_code/


15 posted on 05/17/2006 4:42:12 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: NYer

Hey Ian, please take this up with the Author of the Bible.


16 posted on 05/17/2006 5:02:55 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: NYer; All; .30Carbine; Kitty Mittens; Salvation; Peach; pbrown; LUV W; ohioWfan; DrDeb; bella1; ...

""Gandalf" thinks the Bible should have a disclaimer as a work of fiction."

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"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.
2: A good man obtains favor from the LORD, but a man of evil devices he condemns.
3: A man is not established by wickedness, but the root of the righteous will never be moved.
4: A good wife is the crown of her husband, but she who brings shame is like rottenness in his bones.
5: The thoughts of the righteous are just; the counsels of the wicked are treacherous.
6: The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers men.
7: The wicked are overthrown and are no more, but the house of the righteous will stand.
8: A man is commended according to his good sense, but one of perverse mind is despised.
9: Better is a man of humble standing who works for himself than one who plays the great man but lacks bread.
10: A righteous man has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.
11: He who tills his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits has no sense.
12: The strong tower of the wicked comes to ruin, but the root of the righteous stands firm.
13: An evil man is ensnared by the transgression of his lips, but the righteous escapes from trouble.
14: From the fruit of his words a man is satisfied with good, and the work of a man's hand comes back to him.
15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.
16: The vexation of a fool is known at once, but the prudent man ignores an insult.
17: He who speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit.
18: There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.
19: Truthful lips endure for ever, but a lying tongue is but for a moment.
20: Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil, but those who plan good have joy.
21: No ill befalls the righteous, but the wicked are filled with trouble.
22: Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD, but those who act faithfully are his delight.
23: A prudent man conceals his knowledge, but fools proclaim their folly.
24: The hand of the diligent will rule, while the slothful will be put to forced labor.
25: Anxiety in a man's heart weighs him down, but a good word makes him glad.
26: A righteous man turns away from evil, but the way of the wicked leads them astray.
27: A slothful man will not catch his prey, but the diligent man will get precious wealth.
28: In the path of righteousness is life, but the way of error leads to death."

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=RsvProv.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=12&division=div1

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""Choose wisely""Gandalf.""



thank you all.


17 posted on 05/17/2006 5:30:38 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Et salutare tuum da nobis.!!!!)
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To: NYer
Ian: "I mean, walking on water, it takes an act of faith."

How true. How true.

Peter found out that he could walk on water when he had faith, but sank when he had doubts.

Peter was doing fine until he took his eyes off Jesus.  As long as he had faith, he did impossible things to do without God's help.  He kept his eyes on Jesus and walked on water.  When he looked around at the world, he started believing that the storm was going to defeat him.

He lost faith. He took his eyes off Jesus, and he began to sink.

BTW, Ian. The eyewitnesses, Christ's followers in the boat, were mighty impressed when they saw Jesus and Peter walking on the water.

And Peter gave the eyewitnesses a vivid demonstration of what can happen to people who lose faith.

18 posted on 05/17/2006 5:38:01 PM PDT by syriacus (In WWII , INS "data mined" addresses + opened mail of citizens who communicated with detainees)
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To: Miss Marple

You are on to something, I think!


19 posted on 05/17/2006 6:09:36 PM PDT by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: netmilsmom
;-)
20 posted on 05/17/2006 6:22:26 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: marshmallow
McKellen is to be pitied. Pray for him.

Agree. Mr. McKellen obviously does not hunger for God which means his soul is sick and empty.

21 posted on 05/17/2006 7:20:32 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: anonymoussierra; All

Romans 9:17
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth."

Romans 9:18
Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

Romans 9:19
You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"

Romans 9:20
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?"

Romans 9:21
Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

Romans 9:22
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

Romans 9:23
and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
(NKJV)

PRAY YOU ARE WELL SISTER!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!


22 posted on 05/17/2006 7:59:34 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: NYer

Yeah, this old poofter is such a Bible expert. He claims his hobby is to tear out the "homosexual activity is an abomination" pages from the Gideon Bibles he finds in hotels. Right. This is REALLY going to make an impact. What an infantile person. Onto my prayer list with you, McKellen!


23 posted on 05/17/2006 8:39:35 PM PDT by redhead (Gee, Ricky...I'm sorry your mom blew up.)
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To: NYer
Well, all of the above may be true, but that doesn't change the fact that I am still looking forward to seeing him again as "Magneto" in X-Men3 (coming 5/26/06).
24 posted on 05/17/2006 9:00:12 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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To: NYer

Of course he thinks it's fiction. It doesn't support his queer lifestyle.


25 posted on 05/17/2006 9:01:31 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: NYer

He's a queer, and an atheist, which explains his animus against Christianity.


26 posted on 05/17/2006 9:05:03 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer

You mean "Grandolf the Gay"?


27 posted on 05/18/2006 1:08:28 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Build the fence. Sí, Se Puede!)
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To: Northern Yankee

#6...Absolutely! ! !


28 posted on 05/18/2006 5:29:50 AM PDT by kassie
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To: NYer

Now, now, let's all go easy on Sir Ian McKellan...we need to remember what they will say about him when he is gone...."Died without issue"


29 posted on 05/18/2006 5:36:34 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: Alex Murphy; theDentist; NYer

Well maybe self-proclaimed intellect McKellan should give back all the money he made on "The Lord of the Rings," a book written by a devout Roman Catholic that has subtle allusions to his Christian beliefs throughout. McKellan is just another hypocritcal movie star.


30 posted on 05/18/2006 6:20:33 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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I mean, walking on water, it takes an act of faith.

Scientists don't always know everything.

Scientists have only very recently discovered why some insects can walk on water.

They'd been believing the wrong scientific explanation for some years.

Walking on Water: Insect's Secret Revealed, By Robert Roy Britt, 03 November, 2004

Until now, scientists thought this seemingly Biblical ability was due to a wax secreted on the insect's legs combined with surface tension, a property of water that makes its boundary behave something like stretched Saran Wrap for small things.

But new research finds the water strider's legs are covered with microscopic hairs that trap tiny air bubbles, allowing the insect to simply float.

At one time, scientists thought planes couldn't break the sound barrier; didn't know that the atom could be split; didn't know that X-rays could be created; etc.

Ian McKellen lacks an open mind, almost as much as he lacks faith.

31 posted on 05/18/2006 9:21:42 AM PDT by syriacus (In WWII , INS "data mined" addresses + opened mail of citizens who communicated with detainees)
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To: redhead
He claims his hobby is to tear out the "homosexual activity is an abomination" pages from the Gideon Bibles he finds in hotels.

It seems that, far from being a realist, Ian likes to manufacture his own truth.

32 posted on 05/18/2006 9:30:25 AM PDT by syriacus (In WWII , INS "data mined" addresses + opened mail of citizens who communicated with detainees)
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To: Alex Murphy
John Rhys-Davies puts Jackie Chan in a choke hold

John Rhys-Davies would have made a great and personified Gandalf. But why mess with history at this point. Let the infamy of fame personify how evil destroys our souls.

What men put in themselves is what evil comes out of them. Perhaps this is why Jesus Christ gifted us with the Holy Eucharist to chain our consuming desires. Because there are people are who reject the Fruit of Life, Jesus on the Cross, they scavange for anything else. It's both amazing and disgusting what mankind will swallow instead of the Holy Eucharist.

It's not to gross out the reader or flex the stretch of what pun could fit this situation, but Ian has made a very far departure from Nature by his actions and all the propaganda he spews in defence of it. For being so late in his life, perhaps his vice is beyond his own control; and, he needs all the prayers we can offer for him. I certainly wouldn't want any other actor playing Gandalf if "The Hobbit" is put on the big screen. Maybe such flimsy real life actors can be replaced with CG. But, it would be far more a victory for Christ's Glory if real Redemption took place on Hollywood types.
33 posted on 05/19/2006 12:24:43 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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