Posted on 05/19/2006 5:56:50 AM PDT by Caleb1411
The Gnostic "gospels" would be summarily dismissed today as hearsay evidence. They have not a single eyewitness to the faux events described. The Gospels are based on the eyewitness testimony of hundreds or thousands including pagans, Christians, and Jews.
With all do respect to the good professor, he will not defeat gnosticism by ridiculing its most superficial and flaky proponents. I am a Christian and by no means a gnostic, but thinking Christians need to take gnosticism seriously as a formidable and intelligent adversary that has captured many formidable and intelligent people throughout history.
Gnosticism's hatred of the material world is an odd thing for modern liberal hedonists to uphold. Do they really want everyone to stop procreating and aspire to be perfect spirits?
Exactly. This interview presents a very distorted view of gnosticism. It would be hard to consider gnosticism attractive and tempting from this view!
Ping to read later
It is enough for me to denounce it a heresy. If you want to go further, bring in the Dominicans and let's have an inquisition on Court TV.
For the same reason why they've aligned themselves with Islamofacisim, and have beaten the prejudicial assumption that all priests are gay (even though they love gays and claim to hate prejudice) into the ground. What's bad for Christianity and/or America is good for them. The enemy of my enemy and all that.
Gnosticism has always been a stew of popular doctrines. The simple-minded will attempt to create some homogeneous "religion of Gnosticism" when nothing of the kind exists, nor has it ever existed. The article mentions Marcion, who was actually much closer in doctrine to the early pistic Christians than he was to the later Sethians, Hermetecists, and Cathars. As well, some of the Arian sects tended to drift into Gnostic belief systems. Other than the case of the core system of belief that the material universe was created in error by either a malign or ignorant (or both) spiritual entity, one would be hard pressed to point to a collected dogma and say "that is Gnosticism."
Of course, Brown's puerile novel has nothing to do with Gnosticism, but true to form, he invokes the popular interest that has always surrounded its arcane ideas. Thus does Satan ever whisper in men's ears.
ya, I read the 'gnostic gospels', by forget whom a while ago, and it was very similar to the bible in almost every way. There were a few phrases in it that got people 'offended', but these were only a small part of it.
Doesn't seem logical, does it? I suppose they believe that the earth was created for the birds, fishees, animals, and insects. And what of the quantum universe? Should it be melted and returned to it's pre-energy state?
Hard to imagine what perfect spirits would be doing to entertain themselves.
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Pure spirit Abby: 'So wuzzup, Dave?'
Pure spirit Dave: 'You know there's no 'up,' Abbie. Stop being funny.'
'Sorry. Just thought I'd make some small talk.'
'Small? Wuzzat? You know there are no sizes here. One size fits all.'
'I know. It's just that I feel so closed in. You know, like being in prison. If I could only move a little I'd feel better.'
'Perish the thought, Abby! You know what happened the last time we created motion.'
'Yeah, I remember, Dave. That was quite an explosion, wasn't it?'
'You got that right. The sound is still ringing in my ears.'
'You know what I really miss, Dave?'
'What?'
'Splashing my feet in the water and petting my dog.'
'Yeah, that was cool. But we're pure spirits now and we don't need that kind of stuff anymore.'
'You feel bummed out too, huh?
'Yup!'
'Dave, I have a thought.' Why don't we . . . ummmm . . . you know. Go on vacation!
'Oh, geez. Here we go again! Put your ear plugs in this time!' '
The gnostic approach blends so well with ideas that have seeped into the culture from the New Age movement via eastern religions and various occult philosophies.
Hidden knowledge attracts. The desire to be an elite, one of the elect attracts. The concept that this world is gross, not real, maya, or evil, while the spiritual is the only real has always attracted.
One could say the desire for power and knowledge is behind all human ills since the Fall, since it was, according to Genesis, the cause of the fall....
My understanding of more authentic gnostics is that they believe that "secret knowledge" isn't secret in the sense of being held buried in actual secret codes or under actual lock and key, but rather it is "secret" in the sense that our own physicality and materiality (i.e. our "sinful nature") obscures the truth from us.
That's the basic viewpoint all around the world in groups that do approaches like this. Very similar to some views in hinduism and so on.
But all over the place, there are always a inner group who knows the truth as they see it, and usually various disciplines to get you there, most of which are designed to either help you transcend the limitations of the flesh (like various yogic practices) or are intentional repudiations of the flesh (this has been done all over the world in different forms) because it is evil, and you want to show yourself removed from it.
That latter approach sometimes evolves into quite strange, gross, or wicked forms.
I don't think modern liberal hedonism is connected in any way with Gnosticism.
Gnostics repudiated sexual intercourse because to their thinking, in the act of sex another pure spirit is trapped within the prison of decadent flesh. The Cathars were even vegetarians ass they didn't believe in killing animals.
I don't really understand the current fixation by mainstream Christians with the "threat" of Gnosticism.
As a pretty fundamentalist Christian, I don't consider it a realistic threat at all. Nor do I think Gnostics or Gnosticism especially evil - they merely represent another belief system to which I do not ascribe.
I haven't EVER read of Gnostics blowing themselves up to kill innocent civilians, descrating works of art from antiquity, or crucifying Christians. As a matter of fact, Gnosticism is rather a pacifistic belief system.
I think the very real threat to Christianity today comes from Islam, a belief system which advocates forcible conversion of non-beleivers of all stripes, and has been guilty of all of the above, both in the past and present.
As for Gnostics, if any are still around, they have as much right to believe whatever they wish as anyone else.
I'm reading a book on "Christian Hermeticism" right now...called "Meditations on the Tarot". Ever heard of it? Despite its bizaare sounding title, it is quite reasonable, if not 100% persuasive to me. It has given me a new understanding of the heart of Christian esotericism, which I believe is aligned with many gnostic sects. In the book, the anonymous author makes the case FOR mainline Catholicism as true in the deepest senses, though, like everything else, it is made up of exoteric and esoteric dimensions.
I personally wouldn't go there. I am catholic, and I understand the mystic traditions both in the tarot (from my pre-Christian days) and as taught in the church.
There is a difference. And although there are moments where some ideas overlap, the journey is not the same.
Wouldn't go there because of fear it might lure you into untruth, or because it isn't worth your time, or what? I'm not being critical, I am just curious.
"thus become a prisoner of the evil God, Yahweh"
At this point, my gag reflex was about to be come overstimulated and I stopped reading. Superior God, subordinate God, ? ? ? ?
It is enough to send one to the lee rail to talk to Hugh & Ralph.
Heck, even modern Roman Catholicism is heresy when compared to ancient beliefs!
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