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Interfaith Dialogues Gone Astray
The Catholic Information Center ^ | 5/24/06 | milford421

Posted on 05/24/2006 10:53:35 AM PDT by milford421

From the perpetually clueless: Interfaith dialogue Alert!

• Wednesday, May 24th

" Revering Mary: Islamic & Catholic Perspectives in Dialogue " Time: 6:00-8:00 pm (two 20-25 minute presentations, followed by Q&A, and a light non-alcoholic reception)

Speakers: Fr. Francis Tiso works on interfaith dialogue in the Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs at the USCCB and is responsible for representing the American bishops in dialogue sessions with Muslims.

Khaled Troudi will be the speaker from The International Institute of Islamic Thought. IIIT is located in Herndon, VA.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; Islam; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; interfaith; islam; radicalmuslim
BUT!!!

According to the little green football weblog:

"The International Institute of Islamic Thought has figured in several posts at LGF and was one of the North Virginia radical Islamic front groups raided by the Treasury Department in March 2002. An article about the raids from the Wall Street Journal links the group to Islamic Jihad kingpin Sami al-Arian and Osama bin Laden."

See the links to the information on the little green footballs weblog:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

1 posted on 05/24/2006 10:53:37 AM PDT by milford421
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Revering Mary: Islamic & Catholic Perspectives in Dialogue " Time: 6:00-8:00 pm (two 20-25 minute presentations, followed by Q&A, and a light non-alcoholic reception)

This meeting is happening tonight - do you know if there will be a link to the actual content delivered at this dialogue? How has this "gone astray" if it hasn't happened yet?

2 posted on 05/24/2006 11:05:39 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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How has this "gone astray" if it hasn't happened yet?

I infer from the statement that the Muslim organization is suspected of being a front for Islamofascists that even bothering to schedule a 'dialogue' with them is pointless at best.

3 posted on 05/24/2006 11:58:37 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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>> IIIT <<
You have to say that with a Yiddish/Jewish accent.

I-I-I... T.

(Probably originally, "Oy, oy, oy!"


4 posted on 05/24/2006 3:43:42 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy

Any conversation with the Taleban, besides commands for unconditional surrender, or the provision of essential information for deportees, is conversation gone astray.

And believe me, these people are Taleban. I've attended their "conversations" with my pastor. And I have a good friend who is an escaped slave of one of their people. (Probably the person I know closest to being eligible for canonization :^D.)


5 posted on 05/24/2006 3:46:30 PM PDT by dangus
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"This meeting is happening tonight - do you know if there will be a link to the actual content delivered at this dialogue? How has this "gone astray" if it hasn't happened yet?"

Gone astray because of whom the dialogue is with...you can't sit down with radicals for dialogue.


6 posted on 05/25/2006 5:42:28 AM PDT by milford421
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Posted by siunevada to Alex Murphy; milford421
On Religion 05/24/2006 11:58:37 AM PDT · 3 of 5

How has this "gone astray" if it hasn't happened yet?
I infer from the statement that the Muslim organization is suspected of being a front for Islamofascists that even bothering to schedule a 'dialogue' with them is pointless at best.

You would infer correctly.


7 posted on 05/25/2006 5:43:41 AM PDT by milford421
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To: Alex Murphy; siunevada

I wasn't at the meeting. Here is a post from someone at LGF who states they were present:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20730_Catholic_Group_Invites_Radical_Islamic_Speaker#comments
"Part 1

Clueless.

I think that’s probably the best word to describe the sponsors and participants of the ecumenical event tonight. It was a fair showing for a Wednesday night. It drew about 40-45 people (and the chapel only holds about 60). Perhaps you had something to do with it, Charles.

I was surprised to find out that the Catholic Information Center did not sponsor the event; they only provided the venue. The event organizers were a group called Washington Catholic Forum. Never heard of them before. The event didn’t draw any overt lizardoids, but I suspect I wasn’t the only one there. There were a few Marian devotees, and the Q & A fell quickly into the apparitions, etc. None of that interests me, and I could tell our Muslim brother was zoning out too.

The moderator was an articulate young woman who told the story of how she bonded with an Egyptian roommate over the image of a volcano, or something. It was then and there I realized – they’re clueless. I mean really clueless. I could have stood up and asked about IIIT’s unwavering support for Sami Al-Arian or its deep connections to dozens of shady “charities,” but it occurred to me that the moderator and co-presenter, a Father Tiso, would know absolutely nothing about these things. Zero.

This surprised me more than anything else. I think because DC is always on the verge of terrorism. It’s a target unlike other cities, because there’s a certain inevitability to it all. We know we’re going to get hit again. It’s only the timing and means in doubt. The city is soaked in radical Islam, too. The radical Saudi mosques are everywhere, and the “charitable” organizations almost always have a DC, VA or MD address. Go to Tyson’s Corner (VA) mall and just watch the abayas and chadors float by. You would think that this would generate a broader interest or awareness in the topic of Islamic extremism, but that’s just not the case.

A word on the Muslim speaker. Khaled Troudi is a new comer to the US. His English is only so-so. He's not confident in speaking, and he read from a paper he had written in English. Give him a few years, and he’ll be up to speed in all the idiomatic expressions needed to convey the soothing message of multicultural “understanding” and ecumenical dialogue that are still popular with some Catholics (and other Christians, too).




#86 TheLeague 5/24/2006 07:06PM PDT
Part 2

Watching the priest stick up for a man who preaches at one of the most radical Sunni mosques in the US -- All Dulles Area Muslim Society -- was sort of sad. I was thinking about how quaint this kind of ecumenical dialogue appears now. After five years of slaughter and demonizing hyperbole coming out of that tiny minority of Saudi-inspired extremists, I could really care less how much Muslims like Mary. All the rhetoric of sharing commonalities as a path to reconciliation, blah…blah…blah… sounded like the theological equivalent to one of those 70’s-era rooms pictured in Lilek’s book, Interior Desecrations.

Which brings me to probably the scariest revelation of the evening. Mr. Troudi appears to be a very nice man, but his biographical information has too many similarities to too many ecumenically-focused radical Sunni extremists in the US. He’s Saudi-educated with a bachelor’s degree in Koranic studies (or something like that) from the Islamic University in Medina; he has an MA from a US school, and now he’s at CUA, earning a PhD in comparative religion (or something like that). He’s working at a mosque known for Sunni fundamentalism. I wonder if our Saudi friends aren’t attempting to bring a new generation of imams to the US to maintain their dawah mission here. Add this to Georgetown’s policy of supporting Islamic dawah, er, inter-faith dialoq, and I can’t help but wonder how far into the cathedral the camel’s stuck his nose

The priest also mentioned that they consult Muzzamil Siddiqui on ecumenical matters! Argh!

Perhaps the conference of catholic bishops should branch out a little and add a few Shia or Sufi leaders to the rolodex. They could get one of those Indonesian guys who worship tea pots, or something.

Oh, and one last thing. Just before I left one guy in the audience was talking about the origins of the town named Fatima in Portugal. For non-papists out there this is a town that experienced a Marian apparition in the 1800s. I don’t know much about it, but then again, I don’t care. However, the town was supposedly named after a Muslim princess who converted to Christianity and stayed with her Christian husband (a Portugese military officer) when all the Muslims fled during the reconquista.

Perhaps a little more reconquista-ing and a lot less kumbaya-ing is in order."




8 posted on 05/25/2006 5:54:50 AM PDT by milford421
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The Catholic Information Center – A Brief History

Begun in 1957 by two Redemptorist priests, at the invitation of Cardinal O'Boyle, the Catholic Information Center began as a “street parish.” A place where young DC workers could attend noontime Mass, attend courses before and after work, and peruse the “library.” Soon a community developed and with popular spaghetti dinners, in the first twenty years, the CIC saw over 2,500 converts walk through the front door.

In 1991, when the Redemptorists could no longer continue to staff CIC, Cardinal Hickey arranged for the Archdiocese to incorporate CIC into their work and asked for Opus Dei to oversee the operations of CIC.

Today, CIC still offers Mass as it did almost 50 years ago. No longer a library but a full fledged bookstore, CIC remains the “street parish” of downtown Washington, DC serving nearly 1,000 individuals each week through Holy Mass, Confession, spiritual direction, lectures, discussion groups and special events.

Opus Dei and radical Islam? Somebody notify Dan Brown! This could be the foundation for his next 'well researched' novel.

9 posted on 05/25/2006 6:24:44 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: siunevada

Interesting...thanks for the info.


10 posted on 05/25/2006 6:26:27 AM PDT by milford421
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