Skip to comments.Kerry Excommunication Involves More Than We Think
Posted on 06/05/2006 6:55:38 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
Sure, Kerry has been formally excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Actual excommunication was likely long before we thought. But 2004 is when you heard from the Vatican that it was official. But the real question is, what about the rest of all the Catholics in public office? Unfortunately, there are many Catholics who refuse to believe and vote for Catholic principles. What should be done with them?
Its true that 24% of the American population claim theyre Catholic. But its also true that voting for a politician who votes for policy in direct opposition to Catholic doctrine(i.e., the non-negotiables: 1)abortion, 2)euthanasia, 3)same sex marriage, 4)cloning, and 5)embryonic stem cell research), has committed a serious sin. In Catholic circles, thats referred to as mortal. This is the kind that prevents you from gaining a happy eternal life.
Even though Catholic hierarchy rarely makes an excommunication official when an alleged Catholic publicly professes the right to choose heresy, it was lately deemed necessary. For those believing that heresy is somehow denoted as a curse from God, Websters dictionary defines heresy as simply a belief different from the accepted belief of the Church. To Catholics, this seems fairly commonplace among certain politicians, and puts them in a state of mortal sin. In that state with excommunication, they are ineligible to receive any of the seven sacraments until the error is recanted, and excommunication lifted. If the sin is persistent, Catholics hope that any public excommunication may be the only way to bring the offender back to the Faith.
Word from the Vatican in 2004, was that Sen. Kerry and all pro-choice Catholic politicians who publicly call themselves Catholic yet who blatantly violate Canon Law(Catholic law) by continuing to profess heresy, and receive Holy Communion, must publicly reject their abortion advocacy for the sake of their own souls, and the others they have scandalized. If not, then these people will have been excommunicated. There it isformal.
To get very specific, some other Catholic senators(none of which have recanted) that likely have already been excommunicated are: Durbin, Kennedy, Leahy, Mikulski, Murray, Landrieu, Dodd, Reed, Biden, Cantwell, Voinovitch, Harkin, Murkowski, Domenici, and Sununu. And that doesnt even count the 48 Catholic congressmen who wrote a letter in 2004 warning Catholic bishops to back off of the doctrine of the evils of abortion. The worst part about this is that these representatives all claim Catholicism as their true Faith, and most have used it to further their political careers. The scary part--they have lied to us about something as personal as their Faith. What else will they lie about? If someone can be so callous and unscrupulous, what else is possible? To be sure, the vast majority is Democrat, but certainly not all. What part of fraud and scandal do they not understand?
It must be also said that any Catholic who publicly and obstinately supports, or votes for the right to an abortion, knowing that the Church teaches officially against that legislation, commits the above heresy(envisioned by Canon #751). Why would any Catholic do this, and insist that they are still Catholic? Any voter who understands the latter, and still votes for the candidate who votes for abortion, is likely automatically excommunicated(latae sententiae). Harsh words---that will raise the hackles on many backs. It may even fan the flames of anti-Catholicism. But even Christ, Himself, had very severe words for those that persisted in evil. Even secular organizations have rules for its members. If the members choose not to obey those rules, they can be removed from that organization.
Catholics sincerely wish, however, that any prodigal member will recant his sins, and come back into the Faith. It is their hope, as it is Christs, that all people will enjoy the bliss of heaven forever. But even Christ admitted that no matter how much he wanted everyone to enjoy Heaven, that there would be many that would choose otherwise per their own fruition. How short many of us look into the future
Are you listening, Lard Ass?
You made a mistake to pull this thread off the "News/Activism" forum. This article discusses a potentially important change in American political life.
Yeah, that's what I thought...
Trouble is, if they kick out the politicians in that position they then may have to start on their clergy...
How he does that is beyond me and how the Bishops countenance it is well beyond me.
Clerics need to be examined and purged more often than secular politicians.
The rise of Islam should make that point clear to everyone.
Some people pretend to belief systems that an omnipotent and omniscient God is not also a logical entity.
I am not one of them.
The new Pope may finally excommunicate this evil SOB and it will serve him right.
Unfortunately, it is a latae sententiae excommunication. That one is hard to enforce. One whose excommunication is imposed upon him has a much easier time with enforcement (as the latae senteniae excommunicated person could assert that he didn't really understand that his action was forbidden)
The opinion provided was an "unofficial" opinion that this condition existed.
Had an official decree been issued, then the provisions of Canon 1331 would apply:
Can. 1331 §1. An excommunicated person is forbidden:
1/ to have any ministerial participation in celebrating the sacrifice of the Eucharist or any other ceremonies of worship whatsoever;
2/ to celebrate the sacraments or sacramentals and to receive the sacraments;
3/ to exercise any ecclesiastical offices, ministries, or functions whatsoever or to place acts of governance.
§2. If the excommunication has been imposed or declared, the offender:
1/ who wishes to act against the prescript of §1, n. 1 must be prevented from doing so, or the liturgical action must be stopped unless a grave cause precludes this;
As I'm sure you can see, the imposed excommunication is FAR more serious.
Bumping on general principle...
Exactly. What must his Guardian Angel be thinking? He must have lost the last shred of his conscience a long time ago. So sad...
THE FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES
These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law. Intrinsically evil actions are those which fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances. It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the non-negotiable principles involved in these issues.
The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.
The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child's, who should not suffer death for others' sins.
Often disguised by the name "mercy killing," euthanasia also is a form of homicide. No person has a right to take his own life, and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person.
In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed, by action or omission, out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include intentionally doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).
3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research
Human embryos are human beings. "Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo" (CRF 4b).
Recent scientific advances show that often medical treatments that researchers hope to develop from experimentation on embryonic stem cells can be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there is no valid medical argument in favor of using embryonic stem cells. And even if there were benefits to be had from such experiments, they would not justify destroying innocent embryonic humans.
4. Human Cloning
"Attempts . . . for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through 'twin fission,' cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union" (RHL I:6).
Human cloning also involves abortion because the "rejected" or "unsuccessful" embryonic clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.
5. Homosexual "Marriage"
True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other union as "marriage" undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement.
"When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral" (UHP 10).
CCC Catechism of the Catholic Church
CPL Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, Doctrinal Notes on Some Questions Regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life
CRF Pontifical Council for the Family, Charter of the Rights of the Family
EV John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life)
RHL Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Instruction on Respect for Human Life in Its Origin and on the Dignity of Procreation
UHP Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Considerations regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between Homosexual Persons
Thanks for calling people to the thread.
See the following website: http://www.defide.com/
DC is who -- McCarrick? 'Nuff said. And the "Catholic" church Kerry favors in Boston is the infamous Paulist Center, which advertises itself IIRC as "a worship community in the Roman Catholic tradition" -- whatever that means. (I hear they skip chunks of the Creed that don't conform to their views.) Or maybe the Jesuit Center, with its rainbow flag decor. The Paulist Center at least should have been nipped in the bud 40 years ago, but wasn't.
For the record, O'Malley did at least state publicly (during the campaign) that "Catholic" politicians that defied the Church on abortion should not receive.
See my comments in post 16, above.
I had no clue about this....
I would like to see a formal excommunication, with the name John Forbes Kerry explicitly mentioned.
Three of the Catholic Senators listed are actually pro-life on abortion and support traditional marriage: Sununu, Domenici and Voinovich (the writer actually misspelled the names of the latter two). Here are the votes for the three Senators according to National Right to Life:
Voinovich's voting record on life issues has been perfect, while the only deviations for Sununu and Domenici have been on peripheral issues not really involving abortion (the Medicare Modernization Act in the case of Sununu, and Campaign Finance Reform in the case of Domenici).
I can't think of any votes by these three Senators that would trigger excommunication, so the editorial writer has made a mistake and should publish a correction so as not to defame these three good Catholics..
Maybe the Church should bring back Burning at the Stake, huh? Worked for Jacques DeMolay and all them pesky witches.
Thank you for the ping, NYer. I wasn't aware that Kerry had been excommunicated, although there is some discussion here that questions this. Mainly the type of excommunication.
I hope the Pope can come out and publicly excommunicate those politicians who profess their "faith" then thumb their noses at the Church teachings. There is some clergy that sorely needs to go, as well.
The generations of fat-load cardinals & bishops saw themselves as part of the oligarchy and fell in love with all the photo-ops and free lunches. They forgot the Dogma and let evil take root everywhere, even in the clergy.
Mr. Kerry received Holy Communion at then-Archbishop O'Malley's installation Mass.
The opinion offered by the CDF's consultant was informal and offered privately. When it became public, the consultant stated that it was not binding or authoritative, and no one in the CDF bothered to correct him for saying that it was not authoritative.