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Defying church, 12 "Catholic" women to be ordained here
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | 6-15-06 | Marylynne Pitz

Posted on 06/15/2006 2:51:17 AM PDT by Cavalcabo

On July 31, a dozen well-educated, experienced Roman Catholic women will pass into uncharted spiritual waters on a boat cruising Pittsburgh's rivers.

On that afternoon, three women in vestments will lay their hands on the heads of the 12 women and anoint their hands with oil during an ordination ceremony that will be the first of its kind in the United States.

Among the participants is Joan Clark Houk, 65, of McCandless, who with seven other women are answering a call to be priests; the other four are candidates to be deacons.

It will be the fourth such ceremony in the world since 2002, all unrecognized by the Vatican. The women are part of a growing international movement to push for women's ordination.

The Women's Ordination Conference, based in Fairfax, Va., will announce today its support of the Pittsburgh ceremony, which will be held aboard the Gateway Clipper boat Majestic. Pittsburgh was selected because of its central location.

In a three-page letter dated May 9, Mrs. Houk, a member of St. Alexis in McCandless, advised Bishop Donald Wuerl of her plans. She has received no response. Mrs. Houk also sent a copy of the letter to all 360 priests in the diocese.

"It is a sin for the Church to discriminate against women and to blame God for it," Mrs. Houk wrote.

The Rev. Ronald Lengwin, spokesman for the Diocese of Pittsburgh, said the church "has determined that the ordination of males is a part of the faith handed down by Christ through his apostles and therefore the church is not free to change it. Ordination to the priesthood can only be conferred on a male."

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The mainstream media keep taking these clowns seriously.
1 posted on 06/15/2006 2:51:20 AM PDT by Cavalcabo
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To: Cavalcabo
I'm not Catholic but this makes me sick.

Why would women want to be ordained in the first place? To be irreverent, cause controversy and strife, assert their "Independence"? It's ridiculous. They should be renounced from Rome as perverted harlots. Our family has been Methodist since the late 1700s, but I left because they wouldn't discourage similar nonsense.

The liberals work hard to undermine the Catholic church. More so than any other church, I think.
2 posted on 06/15/2006 3:12:45 AM PDT by Jaysun (In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.)
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To: Cavalcabo; Jaysun
"Presiding at the ceremony will be Patricia Fresen, Gisela Forster and Ida Raming, who live in Germany and are bishops in Roman Catholic Womenpriests, an international group of Catholics who support women's ordination.

These people are about as Catholic as Marx, and about as much "bishops" as my goldfish. But of course the press loves them and always refers to them as "Catholics," and sometimes even treats them as representatives of the Catholic Church.

The awful and completely NON-Catholic pro-abortion group known as "Catholics for a Free Choice," which is actually funded by the Ford Foundation and several other large foundations, is always the first place the press goes for its "Catholic" opinion interviews. By setting thesmelves up as a sort of parallel church, accepted and promoted by the media, these groups hope to simply obscure and confuse the real Catholic Church.

3 posted on 06/15/2006 3:23:30 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
and are bishops in Roman Catholic Womenpriests, an international group of "Catholics"

I wonder why they think "Womenpriests" sounds less goofy than "Priestesses." Maybe it's just a German-to-English thing.

4 posted on 06/15/2006 4:32:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I am not singing to get to the end of the song.)
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To: Cavalcabo
The participants in the July 31 ceremony, Father Lengwin added, are ignoring church teaching. "I would say they have freely chosen to separate themselves from the church," he said.

That says it all right there. End of discussion.

5 posted on 06/15/2006 4:45:59 AM PDT by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: Cavalcabo
Protestant church groups ordain women all the time.

This is simply not news.

6 posted on 06/15/2006 4:50:27 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Cavalcabo
"...who with seven other women are answering a call to be priests"

I see this phrase often. WHO called? It's just another way of saying I'm going to do what I want and I know God approves.

7 posted on 06/15/2006 5:13:11 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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To: Tax-chick

I'm partial to the term "Priestettes," myself. Makes them sound exactly as frivolous and unworthy of serious consideration as they are.


8 posted on 06/15/2006 5:30:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cavalcabo
"On July 31, a dozen well-educated, experienced Roman Catholic women will pass into uncharted spiritual waters on a boat cruising Pittsburgh's rivers."

Calling all U-boats, calling all U-boats!
9 posted on 06/15/2006 5:32:04 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: HarleyD
I'm going to do what I want and I know God approves.

Astute observation...

10 posted on 06/15/2006 5:37:05 AM PDT by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: livius

Good verbiage!


11 posted on 06/15/2006 5:50:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I am not singing to get to the end of the song.)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

MEET THE ORDINANDS

Why Women Can't be Priests

12 posted on 06/15/2006 6:03:57 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

MEET THE ORDINANDS

Why Women Can't be Priests

13 posted on 06/15/2006 6:04:13 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

MEET THE ORDINANDS

Why Women Can't be Priests

14 posted on 06/15/2006 6:04:48 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
The local Archdiocese here brought a lawsuit against a group that set itself up as a fake "Catholic Church" and was getting large contributions from Hispanics who didn't know any better and thought it was really Catholic.

They got an injunction against the clowns using "Catholic Church" in their name.

Any reason why that couldn't be done with THIS set of clowns?

15 posted on 06/15/2006 6:09:55 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NYer
Please, Pretend Ordinands, either join the Episcopal Church where you'll be welcomed and feted (but then you wouldn't feel special, now would you?)

or

HerChurch, Ebenezer Lutheran in San Francisco. Here's their memorable video. (Make sure you put all beverages down and swallow before you watch. Oh, and you might want to reduce your screen size if you don't want to go blind.)

Oh, and as a bonus, they've already got goddess rosaries.


16 posted on 06/15/2006 6:17:13 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: Cavalcabo
Something here doesn't compute. I am not Catholic, and I should probably stay out of a discussion which I know so little about. But since I'm not that bashful I will say that although I don't know how the RC hierarchy operates regarding the admission of candidates for the priesthood, this "ordination" sounds as phony as a $3 bill.

It would seem to me as a Baptist looking in from the peanut gallery that if the RC Church itself doesn't ordain these women or recognize their ordination they aren't going to be priests, or I guess that would be priestesses, in the Church. I would think that any priestly duties they perform will be bogus and meaningless as far as the Church is concerned, and possibly even in the eyes of the law. IOW, I wouldn't consider a marriage ceremony conducted by one of those "priestesses" as a valid, Christian, church sanctioned marriage, or a baptism performed by one of them as a true rite of the Church. Seems to me it's all just politically correct make believe to give the ladies a feeling that they are doing something meaningful to defy what they think is a repressive church hierarchy.

To me, following the scriptural instructions given to the early Church by Jesus himself speaking through the epistles of the Apostle Paul is not repression of women. It's simply acknowledging that Jesus Christ has total, absolute authority to say what is the proper procedure to follow in ordaining ministers in his church which he bought and washed with his own blood. Unfortunately the mainline protestant churches are much farther down this unscriptural but politically correct road than the RC, or my own Baptist denomination which has so far rejected attempts to make it conform to the liberal left's loony tunes ideas of what church doctrine should be instead of what it's Head says it MUST be if it's authentic.

Baptists and Catholics may seem to be strange bedfellows in many respects, but it may eventually come down to the point where we are the only people who still believe that Christ is in charge of running his church and not the PC loony left.

17 posted on 06/15/2006 6:17:56 AM PDT by epow (The way of the cross leads home.)
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To: muawiyah
Protestant church groups ordain women all the time.

Make that "some protestant church groups ordain women all the time".

Those protestant denominations and non-dominational churches who still believe that the divinely inspired Word of God is the final authority on faith and practice don't ordain anyone who doesn't meet the qualifications laid down at the beginning by the One who is the divine Head of the Church and the sole, final authority on how it is to operate in a hostile world.

18 posted on 06/15/2006 6:27:58 AM PDT by epow (The way of the cross leads home.)
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To: epow
Lots of wiggle-room in that statement of yours.

BTW, not everyone takes every word uttered by St. Paul as the revealed Word of God.

19 posted on 06/15/2006 6:31:01 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: epow

>>Baptists and Catholics may seem to be strange bedfellows in many respect, but it may eventually come down to the point where we are the only people who still believe that Christ is in charge of running his church and not the PC loony left.<<

You are right, see my tagline. We are on the same team when it comes to the culture wars.

From the head of the Anti-Catholic Troll hunters I would like to award you the "Humanitarian of the Day" Award. It's so nice to see someone who does not consider us an enemy.

God Bless you!


20 posted on 06/15/2006 6:34:34 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Cavalcabo

why do people insist on painting a bulls-eye across America?


21 posted on 06/15/2006 6:39:42 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (if you're human, act like it.)
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To: Jaysun
I'm not Catholic but this makes me sick. Why would women want to be ordained in the first place?

So they can found their very own Protestant sect and be ministers in it, of course. :-)

22 posted on 06/15/2006 6:40:13 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: epow
You are right. The Catholic Church does NOT sanction female priest, they never have, and never will. It is strictly an instrument of discipline and tradition.

These women are Catholic In Name Only. They fall under "latae sententiae", or automatic excommunication. These women either do not know or understand this, or simply don't care. It is likely that a formal excommunication from their bishop, or even the Pope himself would not mean anything to them. They have decided that they will do what they want to, and not what God wants.

23 posted on 06/15/2006 6:44:38 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: Cavalcabo
uncharted spiritual waters

Baloney ... The waters of apostasy and excommunication are well charted indeed. Even this particular brand of apostasy and excommunication.

24 posted on 06/15/2006 6:45:41 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Theoden
female priest = female priests
25 posted on 06/15/2006 6:46:12 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Any reason why that couldn't be done with THIS set of clowns?

At the very least, the bishops should make a formal announcement of excommunication in all parishes across the US, and clarify the church's position on women's ordination. Every catholic should clearly understand why women can't be priests.

26 posted on 06/15/2006 6:51:12 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Cavalcabo

Just because they say so.....doesn't make it so. For example, I hereby declare myself chair of the women's studies department of the Univ. of Texas.

All you grant money belong me.


27 posted on 06/15/2006 6:55:00 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: epow; Convert from ECUSA
this "ordination" sounds as phony as a $3 bill.

As a popular expression, you're spot-on. This is a candidate for CfE's "hit the nail on the head" graphic.

As a matter of historical trivia ... Did you know that actual, legitimate, valid "three dollar bills" have been issued in the past:

back when private banks issued most paper currency? This one, however, is more appropriate to these 'ladies':


28 posted on 06/15/2006 6:57:42 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cavalcabo
More like Cathars than Catholics, I think.

This publicity stunt is not even worthy of a *yawn*.
29 posted on 06/15/2006 6:59:39 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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To: epow
Amen! Preach it, brother!

In this case Baptists (at least the Independent Baptists) and Catholics are singing from the same page. It's one thing to have a friendly (I hope) argument or two on doctrine . . . but if we don't hang together when it comes to the infidels and liberal loons, we will most assuredly hang separately.

My ggg grandfather was a Baptist deacon - he was probably already spinning in his grave at the thought that I was an Episcopalian, but now that I've turned Papist he's probably up to 3800 RPM and red line . . .

30 posted on 06/15/2006 7:00:03 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Cavalcabo

The mainstream media is generally ignorant of Catholic issues, theology, spirituality, etc. I work in the press, and I confront their ignorances and prejudices on a daily basis.


31 posted on 06/15/2006 7:00:21 AM PDT by pravknight (Liberalism under the guise of magisterial teaching is still heresy)
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To: Carolina

Ick. I'm very nearly speechless!


32 posted on 06/15/2006 7:13:16 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: epow
Actually, you can purchase an ordination online for as little as $9.99 or free of charge if you look harder. They send you a little certificate and everything. Marriages performed by these charlatanspastors are perfectly legal. I know one of them.
33 posted on 06/15/2006 7:16:07 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: netmilsmom; epow
From the head of the Anti-Catholic Troll hunters I would like to award you the "Humanitarian of the Day" Award. It's so nice to see someone who does not consider us an enemy.

Ditto that.

34 posted on 06/15/2006 7:17:40 AM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: epow; ArrogantBustard; AnAmericanMother
I echo my fellow former-ECUSA-now-Catholic sisters sentiments: Amen, right on, and preach it, brother! My buddy ArrogantBustard mentioned one of my favorite pictures, and you , my friend deserve it, 'cause you hit the nail right on the head!


35 posted on 06/15/2006 7:24:00 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: muawiyah

Well, it is Church doctrine that every word contained in the Canonical epistles is indeed the written Word of God. Paul wrote much of those epistles.

So, you must be referring to people who do not respect this doctrine.

Those would be utterly schismatic, at best, and likely heretical into the bargain.

Not a group which is going to have much pull in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

IMHO.

Or are you referring to some writing by St. Paul NOT contained in Holy Scripture?


36 posted on 06/15/2006 7:26:40 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow
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To: Carolina

Holy frijoles. My core reaction is revulsion at the perversion. Women are not called to be "priests" of any kind, except in terms of evangelization. The "goddess" rosary is absolute idolatry.


37 posted on 06/15/2006 7:27:33 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: BelegStrongbow
It had thought until now that all of us within the pale of Christian orthodoxy held that we had the "inspired Word of God", not just a handbook of rules personally delivered by God to mere scribes.

Guess I was wrong. Islam must be winning the battle for the hearts and minds.

38 posted on 06/15/2006 7:28:34 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Rutles4Ever

BTW, in many circles, rosaries (aka "prayer beeds"), in and of themselves, are idolotry.


39 posted on 06/15/2006 7:29:48 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: epow

You have the gift of common sense, my friend. Not many self-described Catholics have it.


40 posted on 06/15/2006 7:30:18 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: muawiyah

I have no clue what you are saying, so I do wish I had the pic of the bunny with a pancake on its head.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the question refers to who takes St. Paul's writing as utterly serious. If there are Muslims within that number, then that's news to me. My own expectation would be they might consider them advisory, at most.

Otherwise, exactly what did you mean then about some people not taking every word St. Paul spoke as the Word of God, please?


41 posted on 06/15/2006 7:31:24 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow
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To: epow

Thanks for the remarks and viewpoint.


42 posted on 06/15/2006 7:41:08 AM PDT by Daffy
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To: muawiyah
BTW, in many circles, rosaries (aka "prayer beeds"), in and of themselves, are idolotry.

Yes, I'm aware of that misconception.

43 posted on 06/15/2006 8:11:24 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Carolina

This is Ashtoreth worship all over again. The "godess" and "priestess" thing is as old as Babylon (or older). If God prohibited it then, why do they think He wouldn't prohibit it now? (Rhetorical question) They don't believe in God, they believe in Ashtoreth; they just don't know it - but would if they ever opened their Bibles.


44 posted on 06/15/2006 8:24:59 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: Cavalcabo
I have no problem with women expressing their religious views in a ceremony of ordination.

I have a very big problem with their calling themselves "Catholics" when they do it.

When our beloved Pope John Paul the Great passed from this life and into the bosom of our Lord I knew what to expect. We would see an entire discussion develop on the television news talk shows about whether the Cardinals selecting a new pope might "finally set the Catholic Church on a path to equalizing the role of women within it." And on came one after another of a group of commentators, not all of them women, who sat in front of the cameras and spoke to "centuries of change in the status of women" or "generations of progress in women's rights" or "the new world the Catholic Church must face," all of which developed the thesis that the status of women in the Catholic Church was one that demeaned them and that this was an opportunity for the Church to address the issue and "come into the modern world." All I could do was to sit in front of the television and ask the question "is there any such thing as unchanging religious truth"?

The Catholic Church as endured for two millenia for a reason; it did not simply throw out its major tenets just to make itself compatible with the current climate of ideas. If the Church is to survive it must stick to those precepts which have enabled it to last and perhaps speak more clearly to the need to express the value of "permanence" as an antidote to an ever-changing and always-evolving standard of public morality.

And I now anticipate an entirely new experience of outrage with the mainstream news media as I expect to find myself sitting in front of my television and listening to one news commentator after another describe these women as "Catholics."
45 posted on 06/15/2006 8:44:49 AM PDT by StJacques
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To: Carolina

I think I'm going to be sick. That was just so wrong. I can't find the right words to explain my absolute disgust with what I just saw. I will pray for all those women and the children they bring with them.


46 posted on 06/15/2006 10:32:16 AM PDT by samiam1972 (Live simply so that others may simply live!)
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To: Cavalcabo
On July 31, a dozen well-educated, experienced Roman Catholic women will pass into uncharted spiritual waters...

...of the river Styx, which feeds into the Lake of Fire.

47 posted on 06/15/2006 10:41:35 AM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: Cavalcabo
And the Bishops in these Dioceses where these clowns hold their Circuses have, it seems to me, the Duty to Teach the ordinations have no effect at all, and to Rule that because of their actions these women will be formally excommunicated.

The Bishop could contact the local fishwrap and set the rcord straight about Ordination, Jurisdiction, Obedience, Canon Law, Magisterial Taeching re women and the priests etc etc and by his education and example start to revivify the Faith

48 posted on 06/15/2006 11:01:04 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: markomalley

ipso facto, excommunicated.


49 posted on 06/15/2006 11:52:43 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Cavalcabo

Why do they keep doing this on boats? They seem to think it imparts some sort of shield from the Church.

The media does keep approaching this as if the women are actually priests. Then again, anything anti-Catholic is part of the media's agenda.


50 posted on 06/15/2006 12:05:48 PM PDT by kenth
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