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Washington welcomes Wuerl as archbishop (3000 witness installation, including Kerry & Kennedy)
Post Gazette ^ | June 23, 2006 | Ann Rodgers

Posted on 06/23/2006 7:53:20 AM PDT by NYer

WASHINGTON -- A crescendo of applause and alleluias greeted the Most Rev. Donald Wuerl as he followed a procession of priests and bishops into the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception to be installed as archbishop of Washington.

Three thousand people filled the largest Catholic church in the Western Hemisphere to welcome him. They ranged from U.S. senators to recent immigrants. Metropolitan Maximos of the Greek Orthodox Diocese of Pittsburgh accompanied Archbishop Demetrios of North America as representatives of the Orthodox tradition.

"In an age that so desperately needs to hear the gospel of life, to witness the splendor of truth, and to live the challenge of faith and reason, the church -- you and I -- gathered around the successors to the apostles, one with Peter, must lovingly, persuasively and fearlessly reflect the light of Christ," Archbishop Wuerl said.

Music commissioned for his 1988 installation in Pittsburgh made the transfer with him to Washington. The ceremony, in the grandeur beneath the great domes of the basilica, nevertheless felt familiar to those who had witnessed his major diocesan Masses in Pittsburgh.

Hundreds of Pittsburghers appeared to have made the trip, including 50 priests. Helen Cindrich, president of People Concerned for the Unborn Child, was present, as was Rabbi Alvin Berkun of Tree of Life Congregation in Squirrel Hill. Mayor Bob O'Connor, the father of a priest, had a seat of honor in front of two U.S. senators, John F. Kerry and Edward M. Kennedy.

In his homily, Archbishop Wuerl addressed questions that many had raised about his role in the nation's capital. The first task of every bishop, everywhere, is to teach, he said. But to teach means to apply the faith to all of the issues and circumstances of the present day.

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TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: basilica; dc; kennedy; kerry; mccarrick; orthodox; rabbi; wuerl

Washington's new Archbishop Donald Wuerl, left, receives the crozier, a staff that symbolizes a bishop's role as shepherd to the people, from Archbishop Pietro Sambi, papal nuncio, the Vatican's envoy to the U.S., right, during a ceremony to install Wuerl as the new Archbishop of Washington, Thursday, June 22, 2006 in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)


The procession begins for Archbishop Wuerl at his Mass of Installation at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington June 22, 2006. Wuerl is replacing Theodore Cardinal McCarrick, who has resigned. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts (UNITED STATES)


Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., right, and Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., left, look on during a ceremony to install Archbishop Donald Wuerl as the new Archbishop of Washington, Thursday, June 22, 2006 in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

1 posted on 06/23/2006 7:53:23 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Kennedy looks ghastly! And look at Kerry's negative body language.


2 posted on 06/23/2006 7:54:22 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

did they go to Communion?


3 posted on 06/23/2006 7:59:32 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: NYer
In a more characteristic pose.
4 posted on 06/23/2006 8:03:29 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: NYer

I thought Kerry had been ex-communicated


5 posted on 06/23/2006 8:08:26 AM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: NYer

You're right about Kennedy looking awful.


6 posted on 06/23/2006 8:09:56 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Military family member

Keery lives a lie - does it matter to him or anyone else?


7 posted on 06/23/2006 8:10:01 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: Military family member
I thought Kerry had been ex-communicated

Apparently not.

"An official at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has claimed that a Californian canon lawyer seeking a formal decree of heresy against Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry of Massachusetts has misrepresented his contact with the Vatican office."
Kerry "excommunication" scam exposed

8 posted on 06/23/2006 8:15:57 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Did Kennedy just shed 80-100 lbs or is that just a photographic illusion?

His suit looks about 5 sizes too large and he looks ghastly.

9 posted on 06/23/2006 8:29:32 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Kennedy is 74 years old, and all that alcohol has not been kind to his body.

He's on the inevitable decline.


10 posted on 06/23/2006 8:45:05 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Military family member

Church teaching is that if you behave like Kerry, you have "excommunicated" yourself. That means, that although you go through the motions, it doesn't really count.

And since this is public, rather than private, behavior, plenty of priests wouldn't give him communion (if he was so foolish as to come to my parish, not only would my pastor refuse him communion, but he might state publically why!)- but still plenty will, either because they disagree with the teachings or don't want to cause problems.

In the great sorting out after death, God will know who was for him, who wasn't and who caused other people to fall because of bad behaviors when they were in positions of authority...

It is the rarest of things for the church to do a formal excommunication.


11 posted on 06/23/2006 8:53:57 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer
These lines were especially interesting:
He turned to face his predecessor and offered praise to Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, who was often a target of criticism by the far Catholic right for refusing to publicly condemn Catholic legislators who supported abortion rights, and for his bold stands in favor of justice for the poor worldwide.

12 posted on 06/23/2006 9:42:14 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: All

13 posted on 06/23/2006 11:21:17 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: NYer

As much as I do NOT like Kennedy, he just looks old. He has lost quite a bit of weight.


14 posted on 06/23/2006 2:18:47 PM PDT by It's me
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Church teaching is that if you behave like Kerry, you have "excommunicated" yourself. I was going to say the same thing.
15 posted on 06/23/2006 2:20:40 PM PDT by It's me
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To: It's me; Pyro7480
As much as I do NOT like Kennedy, he just looks old. He has lost quite a bit of weight.

And, as much as I do not like Ted Kennedy, I have watched him wrestle with God. Throughout his life, he has had to cope with more than you or I. All the while, one could see how God was attempting to guide and direct him, and his stubborn response. Ted Kennedy buried his brothers John and Robert. He buried John's wife, Jacqueline and son, John John and his wife. He stood by throughout the Kennedy Smith murder trial and recetly assisted young Patrick Kennedy with his 'addiction' problem. Ted Kennedy is the family scion. He follows in the steps of his father, Joseph.

What you see in that picture from yesterday's installation for Bishop Wuerl, is Ted Kennedy's obstinate response to God's personal calling. May we all learn a lesson from watching them joust on the field of salvation. Unlike Ted Kennedy, we already know who will win the match. Pray for the Kennedys. That is the catholic christian response.

16 posted on 06/23/2006 4:36:01 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

I went to the Basilica yesterday shortly after the Installation Mass had ended. I ran into an acquaintance of mine on the steps of the main side entance to the church. When I got inside, there were still a lot of people lingering in the Crypt Church's Memorial Hall. I walked down the hall to the bathroom, and on my way there, I passed the new Archbishop and the Rector of the Basilica. They were walking briskly, so I didn't get to greet them. After leaving the bathroom, I saw that the Archbishop was greeting people, in front of the papal tiara of Pope Paul VI, and the line for that extended back down into the hall.


17 posted on 06/23/2006 4:46:16 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: madprof98
These lines were especially interesting:

SUre are. I tried to call her on them via email, but her box has been shut down. How can such shoddy writing get past an editor?

By the way what exactly are McCarrick's "bold stands in favor of justice for the poor worldwide" that has right wing Catholics so upset? Does this woman think homosexual couples qualify for worldwide poor?

McCarrick has never been my favorite and I'm glad to see him go, but it has NOTHING to do with his bold stances on justice for the worldwide poor.

18 posted on 06/23/2006 4:57:38 PM PDT by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: madprof98
bold stands in favor of justice for the poor worldwide. NOTHING bold about this priest, even when he was advancing specifically liberal causes.
19 posted on 06/23/2006 5:55:09 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer

i dunno, at least teddy lost a couple hundred pounds.


20 posted on 06/23/2006 11:42:59 PM PDT by dangus
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To: It's me

>> Church teaching is that if you behave like Kerry, you have "excommunicated" yourself. <<

It's not true. Mortal sin is not excommunication.


21 posted on 06/23/2006 11:53:08 PM PDT by dangus
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To: RobbyS

bold heretic, lately.


22 posted on 06/23/2006 11:54:26 PM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

Kennedy heard rumors of an open bar but I can't account for Kerry's presence there, unless he agreed to be the designated driver


23 posted on 06/24/2006 7:25:14 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: NYer
Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Book 3....

He says, on the authority of Polycarp, that the apostle John once entered a bath to bathe; but, learning that Cerinthus was within, he sprang from the place and rushed out of the door, for he could not bear to remain under the same roof with him. And he advised those that were with him to do the same, saying, "Let us flee, lest the bath fall for Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within."

24 posted on 06/24/2006 7:56:27 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: dangus

Bob Dornan(?), the ex-congressman, called him "the cockroach". I guess he was emboldened because he was being retired--last licks. Or maybe that was what GOT him retired!


25 posted on 06/24/2006 7:57:57 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer

We have to pray for Kennedy and Kerry. They have souls as we all have and our Lord wants no soul lost.


26 posted on 06/24/2006 10:38:57 AM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; Military family member; NYer

Another way to put it, they are automatically (if not formally) excommunicated, or excommunicated "latae sententiae" meaning "by the very commission of the offense."

Very few sins result in latae sententiae excommunication. Deliberate procurement of a complete abortion is one. Technical confusion comes in because obviously these two men have not had abortions. However, it's easy to see how inciting and publicly funding abortion when you're in a position of power could fit into the category of "a crime against human life."

So even with no formal pronouncement by the Church, obviously many, many people are walking around who have "excommunicated" themselves by their actions alone.

The excommunicated persons (we may believe Kerry and Kennedy to be so, but we have no external proof) may not receive Communion without committing a sacrilege, regardless of the priest's allowing it. This is beyond the authority of an ordinary priest.

If K&K are not excommunicated, the very least we can surely say, is they are not in a state of grace due to their sponsorship of grevious sin, and therefore also should refrain from Communion.

For anyone who has had an abortion and wishes to re-establish communion with the body of Christ, 1463 of the Catechism states:

"Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exerecise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted...except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized by them..."

Apropos of the topic of abortion, it is also a MORTAL sin (although NOT one resulting in latae sententiae excommunication!), to cast your vote knowingly for a candidate who promotes, supports, sponsors or advocates funds for abortion.

That's one of the few areas where the Church has any official position relating to democratic elections. This shows how adamant and staunch and clear is the Church's position on abortion as murder.


27 posted on 06/25/2006 4:01:22 PM PDT by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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To: dangus; It's me

We cannot know for certain whether they are or not.

They are automatically (if not formally) excommunicated, or excommunicated "latae sententiae" meaning "by the very commission of the offense."

Very few sins result in latae sententiae excommunication. Deliberate procurement of a complete abortion is one. Technical confusion comes in because obviously these two men have not had abortions. However, it's easy to see how inciting and publicly funding abortion when you're in a position of power could fit into the category of "a crime against human life."

So even with no formal pronouncement by the Church, obviously many, many people are walking around who have "excommunicated" themselves by their actions alone.

The excommunicated persons (we may believe Kerry and Kennedy to be so, but we have no external proof) may not receive Communion without committing a sacrilege, regardless of the priest's allowing it. This is beyond the authority of an ordinary priest.

If K&K are not excommunicated, the very least we can surely say is,they are not in a state of grace due to their sponsorship of grevious sin, and therefore also should refrain from Communion.

For anyone who has had an abortion and wishes to re-establish communion with the body of Christ, 1463 of the Catechism states:

"Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exerecise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted...except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized by them..."

Apropos of the topic of abortion, it is also a MORTAL sin (although NOT one resulting in latae sententiae excommunication!), to cast your vote knowingly for a candidate who promotes, supports, sponsors or advocates funds for abortion.

That's one of the few areas where the Church has any official position relating to democratic elections. This shows how adamant and staunch and clear is the Church's position on abortion as murder.


28 posted on 06/25/2006 4:10:14 PM PDT by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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To: baa39

I don't think we disagree very much, but I would emphasize that, IIRC, differences between mortal sin and excommunication are at least two-fold:

1. The excommunicated can know for certainty, without need of deductive reasoning, that they are, in fact, excommunicated. That's the point: that the excommunicated and the community know that the excommunicated are not in communion. So if one isn't certain that one is excommunicated, it sorta defeats the point. Promoting abortion may be the moral equivalent of procuring one, but it is not the same act.

2. The excommunicated cannot simply go to the sacrament of reconciliation to be in full communion with the church, as those who are guilty of mortal sin can. They need to be accepted by the bishop.


29 posted on 06/25/2006 9:51:05 PM PDT by dangus
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