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Papal Nuncio Gives Communion to John Kerry - Likely Unintentional
LifeSite ^ | June 26, 2006

Posted on 06/26/2006 1:55:29 PM PDT by NYer

WASHINGTON, June 26, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - At the installation Mass of the new Archbishop of Washington, Donald W. Wuerl, Thursday, Archbishop Pietro Sambi, the representative of Pope Benedict XVI, was seen giving Holy Communion to pro-abortion Senator and former Presidential candidate John Kerry.  The incident was reported by the Catholic News Service (CNS), the official news service of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.

CNS states: "During the Mass, Kerry, who supports keeping abortion legal, received Communion in the hand from Archbishop Pietro Sambi, apostolic nuncio to the United States and Pope Benedict XVI's representative to the U.S. bishops."

LifeSiteNews.com formally requested a clarification from the office of the Apostolic Nuncio.  No reply was sent from Archbishop Sambi's office though LifeSiteNews.com was informed that the nuncio received the request for clarification. 

LifeSiteNews.com also spoke with the Communications Assistant of the Archdiocese of Washington about the matter.  Mark Adkinson indicated that the incident was likely not intentional by indicating that Archbishop Sambi was administering Holy Communion on the side where the dignitaries were seated.

CNS also reported that Archbishop Wuerl shook hands with Senators Kerry and Ted Kennedy as he processed into the church.  "During his entrance procession, the archbishop shook hands with Democratic Sens. Edward Kennedy and John Kerry of Massachusetts, seated side by side in the third row along the center aisle," reported CNS. 

However, Adkinson also downplayed the significance of the greetings telling LifeSiteNews.com that the Archbishop shook hands with "hundreds of people" as he processed into the church.

The issue of allowing pro-abortion politicians to receive Holy Communion has loomed large in the Catholic Church in the United States with a committee on the matter having been chaired by former Washington Cardinal Theodore McCarrick concluding only last week.  While it was finally decided that bishops should decide for themselves on the matter, the church's canon law and the man who now serves as Pope Benedict XVI have indicated that such politicians "must" be denied communion.


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To: NYer

Dear NYer,

I believe that Archbishop Wuerl, along with his predecessor, Cardinal McCarrick, is on record as being against denying the Eucharist to the likes of Messrs. Kerry and Kennedy.

He is the ordinary of the see, and the papal nuncio would not see fit to impose a different discipline.


sitetest


21 posted on 06/26/2006 5:13:50 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Well, that certainly clears it up.

It's always fun to sniff out situations where the Catholic Church has an 'oops' moment and then post a comment. It's okay ... I've been down this road before with other non Catholic ministers. However, in all fairness, you were never 'pinged' to the Installation Mass thread, nor did you feel compelled to watch the video before posting a commenta to this thread. As a fellow christian, it behooves you to watch the 'full' video of this Installation Mass and then post a christian explanation to your freeper friends, explaining how the Papal Nuncio, or anyone of the 100+ priests in attendance, could have handled this situation. That would be the 'christian' approach, don't you agree?

MASS LINK

22 posted on 06/26/2006 5:14:58 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg
Queen of All Queen of Rome, Queen of Islam, Queen of All

Ahhhhh ... the 'Queenship' of our Blessed Mother. Are you a Bible believing christian?

23 posted on 06/26/2006 5:18:56 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: All

Kerry knows that he's self-excommunicated, which is why he should receive "spiritual" Holy Communion only, which is saying a prayer and asking Jesus to come to you spiritually.

Here's an older story on the subject:

Sen. John Kerry "Excommunicated," According To Vatican Response

SANTA MONICA, CA, October 18, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A Los Angeles based expert in Canon Law, the legal code used by the Catholic Church, announced Friday on EWTN's the World Over Live with Raymond Arroyo that an important Vatican congregation has given an unprecedented boost to his case for heresy against presidential candidate John Kerry.

Marc Balestrieri, JCL who has filed a formal case for Heresy against Kerry for his support of the right to abortion, revealed that he has received a written response prompted by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, affirming that Catholic politicians who persist in supporting the right to abortion are "automatically excommunicated."

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/oct/04101801.html


24 posted on 06/26/2006 5:23:36 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: NYer
Are you a Bible believing christian?

Yes I am.

25 posted on 06/26/2006 5:30:27 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: madprof98
I said the fact that Kerry was given communion meant that nobody thought it worthwhile to worry about the matter.

"Nobody", meaning the Papal Nuncio. That assumes the Papal Nuncio recognized John Kerry. The Nuncio has only recently arrived in this country. Are you suggesting that he should have been given 'flash cards' with the faces of unrepentant catholic sinners and told not to distribute communion to them?

26 posted on 06/26/2006 5:32:43 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
"During the Mass, Kerry, . . . received Communion . . ."

Also unintentional on Kerry's part I'm sure.
27 posted on 06/26/2006 5:36:12 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: Doohickey; madprof98; Nihil Obstat
What a punk Kerry is. He knows darned well he's not supposed to take the sacrament.

Thank you! ..... for identifying the individual responsible. It is not the problem of the Papal Nuncio but that of the communicant who should not have presented himself for communion.

28 posted on 06/26/2006 5:36:50 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Anyone who watched the Installment Mass, which was moved to the Basilica due to the high attendance, will appreciate the impossibility of any prelate from monitoring those in attendance

And this is why a formal excommunication of these miscreants is necessary, both to prevent acts of sacrilege on their part and to cease scandalising both the faithful and the unfaithful. If someone like Monsieur Kerry were formally excommunicated, ANY bishop, priest, deacon, or even extraordinary minister of Holy Communion could simply refuse them. No excuses, and no apologies necessary.

29 posted on 06/26/2006 5:40:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"...the Catholic Mary." Wow. I always suspected she was a Catholic.

LOL!

30 posted on 06/26/2006 5:40:52 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Sun; sitetest; madprof98; Mrs. Don-o
Kerry knows that he's self-excommunicated, which is why he should receive "spiritual" Holy Communion only, which is saying a prayer and asking Jesus to come to you spiritually.

And thank you! for pointing out that the John Kerry is the one culpable; not the Papal Nuncio. Thank you! The onus is on Kerry.

31 posted on 06/26/2006 5:53:41 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg; Mrs. Don-o
Are you a Bible believing christian?
Yes I am.

Good! So am I!

Then we both agree that Jesus is a descendant of the House of David, right?

32 posted on 06/26/2006 5:57:03 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
If someone like Monsieur Kerry were formally excommunicated, ANY bishop, priest, deacon, or even extraordinary minister of Holy Communion could simply refuse them. No excuses, and no apologies necessary.

Yes .. of course. But, keep in mind that the Papal Nuncion has only recently arrived on these shores. He couldn't possibly know, much less recognize, the miscreant catholics, especially at a service such as this with thousands in attendance. Cut him a break! The onus is on John Kerry, not the Nuncio.

33 posted on 06/26/2006 6:00:41 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: StJacques
Also unintentional on Kerry's part I'm sure.

Lol ... you forgot the (/sarcasm).

34 posted on 06/26/2006 6:02:26 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
That would be the 'christian' approach, don't you agree?

The 'christian' approach would be to capitalize 'christian,' just as you have capitalized 'Catholic.'

35 posted on 06/26/2006 6:51:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: NYer
I'm not blaming the Papal Nuncio, not directly. But whether by the Pope, or the Ordinary bishop of these miscreants' residence, a formal excommunication would make them so notorious that they would be recognised. They OBVIOUSLY can't be trusted to conduct themselves appropriately. IMHO, the matter should be taken out of their hands. They should be formally booted.

But I'm not the Pope. I'm not even their bishop. It's above my pay grade.

36 posted on 06/26/2006 6:52:40 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

When was the last time the RCC excommunicated any one with money or an important position? They bury Mafia dons, so who is surprised that the Church's bigwigs hobnob with Kerry and Kennedy and enjoy it?


37 posted on 06/26/2006 6:57:11 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg; Mrs. Don-o
Then we both agree that Jesus is a descendant of the House of David, right?

Well, while we're waiting for your response to that question, let's proceed from the obvious response of "yes" to the Queenship of Mary, okay? As Bible believing christians, we would all pose the same question ... so where is that in Scripture?

Let's take a closer look at the role of queen-mother in the Old Testament. Virtually every time a new king is enthroned in First and Second Kings, his mother is mentioned. Many kings had multiple wives, making it difficult to choose one to be queen so the king's mother was given the title and role.

In the Davidic monarchy, the queen-mother, or gevirah ("lady"; feminine form of gevir, "lord") played a very important role. King Solomon instituted this position when he enthroned his mother, Bathsheba, at his right hand (I Kings 2:19), and all his successors followed his example with their own mothers. This was the kings' way of fulfilling the Commandment to honor their mothers (Exodus 20:12)

Each time the Bible records a king of Judah, it mentions his mother (see I Kings 14:21; II Kings 14:2; 21:19; 23:36; 2 Ch 22:2) because she was the gevirah, and so had a special place in his court. The prophet Jeremiah sends a warning to both the king and his mother (Jer 13:18), and the Babylonians took both King Jeconiah and his mother away into captivity (2 Kings 24:15; Jer 29:2).

Jesus is the final Son of David, the rightful heir to King David's throne. He has exalted the Davidic dynasty into heaven itself, thus making it a truly everlasting kingdom (Ps 89:35-37). And, like His earthly forefathers, He has enthroned His Mother, Mary, at His right hand as the Gevirah of the Kingdom of heaven.

Consider, for example, the role of Bathseba, the wife of David and the mother of Solomon. When David was king and Bathsheba entered his presence, she bowed to the floor in homage to him and said, "My lord, King David, live forever!" (1Kings 1:31). But after David died and Solomon became king, Bathsheba went directly to him to ask a favor, and when she entered the room Solomon "stood up to meet her and paid her homage. then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king's mother, who sat at his right" (1Kings 2:19).

She no longer pays homage to the king; he pays homage to her and he seats her on his right, the position of authority. When Bathesheba told Solomon that she had a small favor to ask of him, the king said, "Ask it, my mother .... for I will not refuse you". (1Kings 2:20).

Jesus did not use these same words when His Mother told Him at Cana that the wine had run out, but He deferred to her wishes and performed a miracle at her request, even though His hour had not yet come. He continues to defer to the wishes of His Mother and queen in Heaven. Thus, the Catechism says (n. 966) that when Mary's earthly life was finished, she was "taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death' [Lg, n. 59; cf. Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus (1950); DS 3903; cf. Rev. 19:16]."

In summary, Dr. Ludwig Ott said in his book, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma (TAN Books) that "Mary's right ot reign as Queen of Heaven is a consequence of her Divine Motherhood. Since Christ, because of the hypostatic union, is a man the Lord and King above all creation (cf. Luke 1:32f; Apoc. 19:16), so Mary as 'the Mother of the Lord' (Luke 1:43) shares in the royal dignity of her Son, even if only in an analogical way. Furthermore, Mary's royal merit is based on her intrinsic connnnection with Christ in His work of Redemption. Just as Christ is also our Lord and King because He has redeemed us with His precious Blood (1Cor. 6:20; 1 Peter 1:18f.) so, in an analogical way, Mary is our Lady and Queen because she is the new Eve and has shared intimately in the redemptive work of Christ, the new Adam, by suffering with Him and offering Him up to the Eternal Father. Mary's sublime dignity as the Queen of Heaven and Earth make her supremely powerful in her material intercession for the children on earth".

38 posted on 06/26/2006 7:00:12 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: kittymyrib
the Church's bigwigs hobnob with Kerry and Kennedy and enjoy it

That is pure supposition on your part. Prove it!

39 posted on 06/26/2006 7:02:38 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The 'christian' approach would be to capitalize 'christian,' just as you have capitalized 'Catholic.'

The term 'Catholic; defines a specific christian group of believers, whereas the tern 'christian' applies to all who accept Christ as their Savior. I am a Catholic christian.

40 posted on 06/26/2006 7:05:26 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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