Mary and the Muslims (an eye opener)

Catholic Military ^ | Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

[HarleyD]

1. The above article contains no indication of Catholics "harmonizing" their beliefs with Muslims.

If I'm not mistaken the article talks about trying to find commonality with the Muslims, and this commonality can be found in Mary. The article goes on to state:
It is our belief that this will happen not through the direct teachings of Christianity, but through a summoning of the Muslims to a veneration of the Mother of God.

The author believes that the "direct teachings of Christianity" is not enough. I would assume that means what the Apostle Paul states, that it isn't enough to simply preach the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Rather it is through the veneration of "the Mother of God" people will be saved.

"...is that you "couldn't agree more" that a group of your Christian brothers and sisters, who have accepted the Lord Jesus as their Saviour, are in your, (I believe erroneous,) view moving further towards the edges of renouncing Him in favour of the faith of the Muslims."

I believe the veneration of Mary to be in serious error. I cannot imagine John preaching the veneration of Mary while in prison in the last stages of his life, can you? And yes, when there is errors of this nature, while I don't know about "renouncing" God, the perspective becomes so twisted that it no longer resembles the nature of God. There are many cases of this happening in the Old Testament which are given to us as our instruction.

I hope this clarifies my position.

[bboop]

Hey, thanks for posting Chesterton's poem. It's awesome.

[Theoden]

Your welcome.

[wagglebee]

I believe the veneration of Mary to be in serious error.

Perhaps because you cannot distinguish between veneration and worship.

I cannot imagine John preaching the veneration of Mary while in prison in the last stages of his life, can you?

Actually I can, I would assume that the Beloved Disciple came to know the Blessed Mother very well as he was entrusted with Her care by our Lord, this was necessary because our Savior had no siblings to care for His Mother.

[kstewskis]

Another Bishop Fulton J. Sheen winner of a "ping!"

[NYer]

We may need another apparition to get it started, however, possibly in a predominately Muslim country.

Actually, this has already happened. In 2000, the Blessed Mother appeared at Zeitoun, Egypt.

You can watch video clips of the event at the following link.

Apparitions Of Virgin Mary At Zeitoun Church

[NYer]

Rather it is through the veneration of "the Mother of God" people will be saved.

Harley, we've had these discussions before. Catholics and Orthodox venerate Mary. She can save no one. What she can and often does, is lead men to salvation in her Son. The expression in Latin is Ad Jesum per Mariam - to Jesus through Mary.

[Sopater]

The Mother Of All Religions?
Commentary by Rojer Oakland

One final question: Will the statements made at the “Future of God” Congress held in Fatima , Portugal in October of 2003 be fulfilled? From a biblical perspective, the answer is, yes. We are living in the very period of time the Bible reveals would occur before the return of Jesus Christ.

If current events such as we have been describing are shocking to you, get ready there will be a lot more ahead. Jesus said that “many” would be deceived by “many”. Wake up. Don’t be a part of that group.

[Iscool]

As those who lose devotion to her lose belief in the divinity of Christ, so those who intensify devotion to her gradually acquire that belief.

I have absolutely no devotion to the mother of Jesus...

So what will unite Catholics and muzlims are apparitions and ghosts and the Queen of Heaven...

And we non-Catholic Christians will still be infidels to the Catholic/Muzlim alliance and still be 'anethema' to them...

Jesus Christ as God (a third of the Trinity) has no Mother...

[zimdog]

Upon learning this, the Nuke Mecca crowd immediately moves to take out Fatima, Guadeloupe and Lourdes...

[Iscool]

The other religious traditions in the world are part of God's plan for humanity and the Holy Spirit is operating and present in Buddhist, Hindu and other sacred writings of Christian and non-Christian faiths as well. The universality of God's kingdom permits this, and this is nothing more than a diversified form of sharing in the same mystery of salvation. In the end it is hoped that the Christian will become a better Christian and each Hindu a better Hindu.

From your link and a Catholic Cardinal...

So this is what Catholics mean by a 'universal' church...How much more proof do we need that we are NOW in the end times???

[NYer]

Jesus Christ as God (a third of the Trinity) has no Mother...

A woman is a man’s mother either if she carried him in her womb or if she was the woman contributing half of his genetic matter or both. Mary was the mother of Jesus in both of these senses; because she not only carried Jesus in her womb but also supplied all of the genetic matter for his human body, since it was through her—not Joseph—that Jesus "was descended from David according to the flesh" (Rom. 1:3).

Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the time of Christ.

Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

[Northern Yankee]

Thanks Karen...

Talk to you later.

[Iscool]

Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

So before Jesus was born in the flesh, there was only a Duopoly??? I don't think so!

Jesus as God was there to take part in the Creation...The Trinity has always been there...

There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the

I don't see any logic there...If you are a father, your son's mother does not become your mother...Your son is part of you but his mother is not...Where is that illogical???

[wmfights]

"If current events such as we have been describing are shocking to you, get ready there will be a lot more ahead. Jesus said that “many” would be deceived by “many”. Wake up. Don’t be a part of that group."
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Thank you for the link.

[NYer]

So before Jesus was born in the flesh, there was only a Duopoly??? I don't think so!

Of course not. There always was a Trinity. Motherhood involves a person-to-person relationship with the child, not the mere act of conceiving offspring. Since Mary had a mother-son relationship with with the Second Person of the Trinity made flesh, she is truly the Mother of God.

[Pyro7480]

And we non-Catholic Christians will still be infidels to the Catholic/Muzlim alliance and still be 'anethema' to them...

A Catholic/"Muzlim" (sic) alliance? LOL! Tinfoil alert!

Saying Jesus is a "third" of the Trinity doesn't make sense either. Each person is fully God, though there is only one God. It is more accurate to say that He is the Second Person of the Trinity.

[wmfights]

"Since Mary had a mother-son relationship with with the Second Person of the Trinity made flesh, she is truly the Mother of God."
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I read in the Chicago Tribune, sunday Perspective dated 6/25/06 that "American bishops voted to change the words that the faithful have said in mass for decades. Instead of saying that Jesus was "born of the Virgin Mary" Roman Catholics will now recite that he was "incarnate of the Virgin Mary".

Is this true and if so does it change your position that Mary was the "Mother of God"?

[wmfights]

"Since Mary had a mother-son relationship with with the Second Person of the Trinity made flesh, she is truly the Mother of God."
_____________________________

I read in the Chicago Tribune, sunday Perspective dated 6/25/06 that "American bishops voted to change the words that the faithful have said in mass for decades. Instead of saying that Jesus was "born of the Virgin Mary" Roman Catholics will now recite that he was "incarnate of the Virgin Mary".

Is this true and if so does it change your position that Mary was the "Mother of God"?

[wmfights]

"Since Mary had a mother-son relationship with with the Second Person of the Trinity made flesh, she is truly the Mother of God."
_____________________________

I read in the Chicago Tribune, sunday Perspective dated 6/25/06 that "American bishops voted to change the words that the faithful have said in mass for decades. Instead of saying that Jesus was "born of the Virgin Mary" Roman Catholics will now recite that he was "incarnate of the Virgin Mary".

Is this true and if so does it change your position that Mary was the "Mother of God"?