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Mohammed in the "Gospel" of Barnabas - ZOT for the Theologians

Posted on 07/17/2006 9:05:28 AM PDT by parakletos

The GREAT PROPHET MOHAMMED was mentioned by name in the forgotten gospel of Barnabas,who was one of the disciples of THE GREAT PROPHET JESUS CHRIST.

The gospel is here: www.barnabas.net/

in the aforementioned site,make a search for the word "mohammed".

heres a sample: from part 97

Then said the priest: `How shall the Messiah be called, and what sign shall reveal his coming?'

Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.'

Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: `O God, send us thy messenger: O Mohammed, come quickly for the salvation of the world!'

what do you think?


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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Yeah... I don't look very good extra crispy. I've cut it too close in the past.

While I think comparative theology is interesting as a conversation by line, I'd much prefer to talk about dang near anything else. Just from an interest standpoint. Religion can be a touchy subject.

1,101 posted on 08/08/2006 2:55:32 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Tax-chick

Me too. ;-) The more of those moments, the better.


1,102 posted on 08/08/2006 2:56:19 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Pity.. no one really knows much about Celtic gods, apart from some guy called Lug!!

Lug... He's the nut holding my wheels to my axle right?

:)

Actually I was very into Celtic Mythology a couple of decades back, then Zimmer-Bradley wrote that horrible book and it became the "trendy thing" and I fled in horror.

1,103 posted on 08/08/2006 2:58:38 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Dead Corpse
Play with the Troll. Pave him good.

Gotta run kiddos. Later...

1,104 posted on 08/08/2006 3:02:26 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: Dead Corpse
Very!

Because of that I have to confine my learning to books except for some very select people who understand I really am trying to learn not pin them down.

When I become Queen of the Universe I am going to demand that all religions produce a book similar to "The Jewish Book of Why" so I can satisfy my insatiable curiosity without getting whole groups ticked off at me.

1,105 posted on 08/08/2006 3:04:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

We calls ears 'lugs' over here!!

Who's this Zimmer guy?


1,106 posted on 08/08/2006 3:06:55 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Curiously enough, I'm just after killing the thread.


1,107 posted on 08/08/2006 3:15:26 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

You Bastard!!!!


1,108 posted on 08/08/2006 3:16:48 PM PDT by Tulsa Brian (This is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and number and I'll get back to you...)
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To: Tulsa Brian

I prefer 'gobshite'! :P


1,109 posted on 08/08/2006 3:23:22 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: gobshite

Ping.


1,110 posted on 08/08/2006 3:23:42 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

LOL! Why do you want to kill this thread?


1,111 posted on 08/08/2006 3:25:12 PM PDT by Tulsa Brian (This is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and number and I'll get back to you...)
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To: Tulsa Brian

I don't, I do it unintentionally....


1,112 posted on 08/08/2006 3:26:33 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Repressed hostility?


1,113 posted on 08/08/2006 3:27:21 PM PDT by Tulsa Brian (This is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and number and I'll get back to you...)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
We call the bolts that hold our tires on "lug nuts"

Girl, Marion Zimmer-Bradley.

She wrote a book about the Arthur legend that included lots of alleged Celtic lore. Not a bad work of fiction if you overlooked some very bad research but trying to convince people that it was just that, fiction, rather then a scholarly work was well nie impossible.

It was the "Da Vinci Code" of its day. Thankfully it never was published as a mass market paperback. So except among college girls it never gained wide traction.

1,114 posted on 08/08/2006 3:29:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Tulsa Brian; Irish_Thatcherite

I don't think he is repressed....


1,115 posted on 08/08/2006 3:30:29 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Depressed? Compressed? Redressed? Expressed? Impressed?


1,116 posted on 08/08/2006 3:32:24 PM PDT by Tulsa Brian (This is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and number and I'll get back to you...)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Tulsa Brian

Yes... repressed anger I take out on IRA trolls...

:P


1,117 posted on 08/08/2006 3:36:59 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Oh, ok - I'm not sure sure what tradition the King Arthur tales comes from.


1,118 posted on 08/08/2006 3:38:07 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

5th century Briton is what is generally agreed but the story in many ways is one of those universal myths that are timeless.


1,119 posted on 08/08/2006 4:00:10 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

So, it's before the Angles, Saxons and Jutes? It must be mainly Celtic.


1,120 posted on 08/08/2006 4:02:48 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Yep. With a bit of Roman thrown in but mostly Celtic.

The Romans were leaving, the Saxons were making small incursions and the Celts were mostly leaderless.

We have a 6th century poem that makes reference to him, (maybe!) but rather indirectly.


He charged before three hundred of the finest,
He cut down both centre and wing,
He excelled in the forefront of the noblest host,
He gave gifts of horses from the herd in winter.
He fed black ravens on the rampart of a fortress
Though he was no Arthur.

Arthur was obviously an ideal to which warriors in Wales aspired.


My personal opinion is that it was Christianized about a century or so later. Then in the 10th century it was fit into the tradition of the contemporary Anglo-Saxons kings with crowns and fair maidens and castles.

Have I bored you yet?

1,121 posted on 08/08/2006 4:23:05 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: King Prout

Please don't leave KP.

It's people like you, the voice of reason, that keeps me here.


1,122 posted on 08/08/2006 4:32:15 PM PDT by fanfan (WAW - Women Against Weenification!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
No, I'm not bored, that is very interesting!

My personal opinion is that it was Christianized about a century or so later.

Much of Ancient Irish mythology was Christianised, too - the Children of Lir were turned back to humans, and were baptised by St. Patrick before they died, and I think the same is true for Oisin when he returned from Tir na Og. Also, Conor Mac Nessa died on the first Good Friday.

1,123 posted on 08/08/2006 4:33:41 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Irish_Thatcherite

Hi you guys.


1,124 posted on 08/08/2006 4:36:06 PM PDT by fanfan (WAW - Women Against Weenification!)
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To: King Prout

Don't leave, KP - crevo threads aren't worth that!


1,125 posted on 08/08/2006 4:37:08 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: fanfan

Howya fan, I hope we don't lose another good FReeper!!


1,126 posted on 08/08/2006 4:39:30 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Me too, Irish.

Things seem to be going to hell lately.


1,127 posted on 08/08/2006 4:41:48 PM PDT by fanfan (WAW - Women Against Weenification!)
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To: fanfan

Yeah, and the good ones are being replaced with asses!


1,128 posted on 08/08/2006 4:44:33 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: fanfan
Hi fanfan!

How you doing?

1,129 posted on 08/08/2006 4:47:43 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Amen!

I am juggling three of them tonight.

Sheesh but they are second class bores!

1,130 posted on 08/08/2006 4:49:02 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Oh? I'll have look in your user posts!


1,131 posted on 08/08/2006 4:53:14 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I can only take the place of one good FReeper at a time. Cut me some slack! :D


1,132 posted on 08/08/2006 4:55:17 PM PDT by Tulsa Brian (This is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and number and I'll get back to you...)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite; Harmless Teddy Bear
... I am going to demand that all religions produce a book similar to "The Jewish Book of Why" ...

Okay, it looks as though now I'll have to write a book about the Church of Bob. Darn.

Cna you make it easier for me by giving me a list of questions that should be answered?

Hey, Irish! "Conor Mac Nessa died on the first Good Friday." -- That can't be, Ole Buddy! I've seen him posting on the Word-For-The-Day Threads.

Oh, also, Harmless, "...kings with crowns and fair maidens and castles." -- I haven't finished writing this book yet, but it has all these elements, including the fact that the fair maiden is also a "sleeping beauty!"

1,133 posted on 08/08/2006 4:55:32 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (That is the trouble with essences. They are essentially troublesome.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Oh.. I remember seeing his posts a few times!


1,134 posted on 08/08/2006 4:58:16 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

It is like an evil undead thread. I left but they keep pulling me back.


1,135 posted on 08/08/2006 5:08:55 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Their superior tone reminds me of those pro-IRA posters I tangle with!


1,136 posted on 08/08/2006 5:14:24 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite; Harmless Teddy Bear
Yeah, and the good ones are being replaced with asses!
Then we have to support the good ones.

Hi HTB!

I'm good. I haven't had running water in my home since Sunday afternoon, (shortly after I tried to give the dog a bath-maybe that's where I went wrong?), but finally found out where my well is located!

:-)
1,137 posted on 08/08/2006 5:17:13 PM PDT by fanfan (WAW - Women Against Weenification!)
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To: fanfan
You can be sure that the dog did it. :)

It is in the emergencies we learn things. For example it took a $400.00 electric bill for me to learn where my meter is.

I now keep a close eye on the electric company!

1,138 posted on 08/08/2006 5:21:09 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: King Prout

WITW???

You aren't getting any worse than any of the rest of us Conspiracy that Cares folks. It can be tiring, but I just take a break from Crevo threads when I get too tired of the ad hominems that are substituted for evidence, reasoning and logic.

I broke from those for a couple of months but still enjoyed the rest of FR.


1,139 posted on 08/08/2006 5:21:58 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Now is the time to make circles with mints. Do not haste any longer (lucky #s 10,15,19, 23, 33, 34))
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Annoying isn't it!

I would have ignored it but they were ganging up on someone who did not deserve anymore grief so I waded in.

Besides there is nothing like a bare knuckled brawl every now and again. :)

1,140 posted on 08/08/2006 5:23:53 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite; fanfan
Yeah, and the good ones are being replaced with asses!

I always worry I might be one of those "replacements."

To tell you the truth, sometimes I will read the next day what I posted in anger the night before and am a little embarrassed (although I never directly insult, I do post some dripping sarcasm).

It can be so frustrating on the Crevo threads, since otherwise good and intelligent people become willfully ignorant Luddites.

And when people post Biblical scripture as a(n irrefutable) replacement for science and logic, how can one not worry?

1,141 posted on 08/08/2006 5:26:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Now is the time to make circles with mints. Do not haste any longer (lucky #s 10,15,19, 23, 33, 34))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I like a good flame war meself! One of them responded to me just now. (Pity it's getting late over here...)


1,142 posted on 08/08/2006 5:27:58 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: fanfan

Yes, true.


1,143 posted on 08/08/2006 5:28:52 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: freedumb2003
It can be so frustrating on the Crevo threads, since otherwise good and intelligent people become willfully ignorant Luddites.

Well, at least Right Wing Professor has gotten himself the zot...

;)

1,144 posted on 08/08/2006 5:30:05 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; freedumb2003; Irish_Thatcherite; fanfan
"... there is nothing like a bare knuckled brawl every now and again ..."

That may be true and entertaining, but just to keep things on an even keel here on the Undead Thread, I always post messages from a position of unassailable rectitude.

*Whistling*

1,145 posted on 08/08/2006 5:30:16 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (That is the trouble with essences. They are essentially troublesome.)
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To: NicknamedBob; Harmless Teddy Bear; Irish_Thatcherite; fanfan
I always post messages from a position of unassailable rectitude.

"Rectum? Damn near killed 'em!"

1,146 posted on 08/08/2006 5:32:41 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Now is the time to make circles with mints. Do not haste any longer (lucky #s 10,15,19, 23, 33, 34))
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To: NicknamedBob
*Bob getting superior again..*

:P

1,147 posted on 08/08/2006 5:33:11 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Well, at least Right Wing Professor has gotten himself the zot

Wow -- RWP is gone?

1,148 posted on 08/08/2006 5:33:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Now is the time to make circles with mints. Do not haste any longer (lucky #s 10,15,19, 23, 33, 34))
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To: freedumb2003

Yes... I remember that joke...


1,149 posted on 08/08/2006 5:33:43 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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To: NicknamedBob
Please don't have her awakened like the original sleeping beauty. I try to be open minded but necrophilia is just nasty!

(And what were my parents thinking giving me that book?)

1,150 posted on 08/08/2006 5:34:01 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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