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To: FJ290

Freemasonry's denial that there is one true religion and promotion of religious indifferentism flies in the face of the
Catholic Church's teachings.

I attended a Masonic ceremony before that was stated very explicitly. The Masons founded the Jacobin movement that triggered the Reign of Terror in the French Revolution. These so-called tolerant Freemasons were responsible for an ancestor's beheading during the French Revolution on account he was a Catholic bishop and a nobleman in 1794.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm
http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/enlightenment/

They were also chiefly behind the Mexican government's persecution of the Catholic Church during the 1910s and 1920s.

For a Catholic to support Freemasonry in any way is a bit like a Jew to support the Nazis.


22 posted on 07/19/2006 1:35:01 PM PDT by pravknight (Liberalism under the guise of magisterial teaching is still heresy)
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To: pravknight
Freemasonry's denial that there is one true religion and promotion of religious indifferentism flies in the face of the Catholic Church's teachings.

Couldn't agree more.

I attended a Masonic ceremony before that was stated very explicitly. The Masons founded the Jacobin movement that triggered the Reign of Terror in the French Revolution. These so-called tolerant Freemasons were responsible for an ancestor's beheading during the French Revolution on account he was a Catholic bishop and a nobleman in 1794.

Wow! You have some interesting family history there. That's sad about your ancestor, but yes, these things did happen and many refuse to acknowledge it today.

24 posted on 07/19/2006 3:39:33 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: pravknight; nopardons; Chode; TheLion; AxelPaulsenJr; jimt; Eric in the Ozarks; oldtimer; pt17; ...

Considering the Masonic resistance to Hitler's reign and his attempt at crushing them, your statement is trash


27 posted on 07/19/2006 4:36:09 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: pravknight; dixiechick2000
Oh dear, this is getting tiresome and more than a little ridiculous; to say the least.

First of all, Freemasonry is NOT a religion, a religious organization, and therefore, has ALWAYS been tolerant of people who are of different religious beliefs. Of course they deny that there is one and only only one "true religion" and HOOOOOOOOOORAY for them, for that!

If your ancestor personally met Madame Guillotine, it was because he was an aristo...NOT because he was a Catholic Bishop and the Masons had NOTHING at all to do with that; unless you want to blame ALL Masons for Guillotine's invention, since he was a Mason. He was also a Catholic, BTW.

It would really help you, if you actually knew and understood factual history, before you posted. First of all, There was a JACOBITE movement, in England, which had to do with the Revolution of 1688. most Jacobite were ROMAN CATHOLIC! Though some were indeed Masons, they had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the French Revolution! The Jacobites wanted to restore the Stuart Monarchy to the English throne. And FYI...The Jacobite Movement was added and abetted by the Vatican and Jesuits, who the last time I looked, were part of the Catholic church.

It was these Jacobite Masons, who fled to Holland, which actually began the anti-Masonic junk, because the Dutch were troubled by them and that they were meeting to thrown a spanner in the works, with the Duke of Orange, who was then sitting on the throne of England. This then led to what I'll call "uneasiness" within the realms of some of the crowned heads of Europe and the Catholic church.

Just as there are good and bad apples in every race, religion, ethnicity, and social groups, you shouldn't blame an entire group for a few bad apples. Have there been "bad" , IRREGULAR ( which means Masons in name only and even that, not legit! )"Masonic groups"? Yes, there have been and that is exactly what was the genesis of the first Papal Bull, written by Pope Clement XIX, in 1738 based on Cardinal Corisini's input. OTOH, the original Bull WAS probably written against one or two Italian Masosnic groups. It is still questionable that it was meant for all of Freemasonry.

And to prove this point, I offer you the words of Cardinal Corisini, whose letter to the Grand Duke of Tuscany said that "Freemasonry had begun in England as an amusement or decent diversion but...has degenerated in Italy, and has become a school of ungodliness." He was BTW, referring to their habits OUTSIDE of Masonry.

Yet, it was and apparently still is, for some, the fact that Freemasonry has always espoused freedom of association, tolerance, and free speech, that drove the RCC to distraction. You just can't have any of THAT, now can we. LOL

After escaping to England, from France, a French priest, Abbe Barruel was the first, in a landslide of books and pamphlets for and against the proposition that the French Revolution was started by Masons. John Robinson was another pamphleteer, who stated that this was true. Reynold's Wrap hadn't been invented yet, but both of these men were wrapped, mummy-like, in it! Diederot had been a Mason, but Marat, Danton, and Robespierre weren't and nothing any of these men did, has anything to do with Freemasonry.

No serious historian believes that Mason started and carried out the French Revolution; not a one! This is as nutty and spurious as any Stone conspiracy movies and the blasted PORTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION!

Your last sentence is false, disgusting, vile, libelous, and beneath contempt! You owe every single Mason, living and dead, and every member of their extended families, a public apology.

Gee dixie, I guess you were right...that history lesson had to be rewritten. :-)

33 posted on 07/19/2006 5:59:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: pravknight
"For a Catholic to support Freemasonry in any way is a bit like a Jew to support the Nazis."

You are seriously incorrect, but as you are also obviously a zealot, to expect a rational discussion with you would be a bridge to far.

You have my pity.

38 posted on 07/19/2006 6:15:50 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: pravknight

The Masons who ran the ceremony you attended are as related to the ones who committed the history you relate as, well, I am to my ancestors of 300 years ago.

Which is to say, barely.

Come ON. It's a bunch of balding middle-aged men in costumes speaking lines. It smacks far more of a theatrical society than a global anti-religious conspiracy.


251 posted on 07/20/2006 7:05:26 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: pravknight
"I attended a Masonic ceremony before that was stated very explicitly."

If you "attended a Masonic Ceremony", it was not a true Masonic Ceremony. Methinks thou art less than truthful.

288 posted on 07/20/2006 7:35:39 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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