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Publishing Armageddon
American Vision ^ | 7/24/2006 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 07/24/2006 8:28:49 AM PDT by topcat54

Events in Israel are viewed by millions of evangelicals as a sure sign that the rapture is near. Again! Jerry Falwell, who stated on a December 27, 1992, television broadcast, that he did “not believe there will be another millennium . . . or another century,” has written on July 23, 2006:

It is apparent, in light of the rebirth of the state of Israel, that the present-day events in the Holy Land may very well serve as a prelude or forerunner to the future Battle of Armageddon and the glorious return of Jesus Christ.1
Something similar happened in 1990. John F. Walvoord recycled and revised his Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis to fit with what was then considered to be the latest in the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in our day. The 1974 edition opened with this declaration: “Each day’s headlines raise new questions concerning what the future holds.”2 As we now know, Walvoord’s book was guided by current events and not sound methods of biblical interpretation. Described as “the world’s foremost interpreter of biblical prophecy,” in 1991 he expected “‘the Rapture to occur in his own lifetime.’”3 While Walvoord didn’t invent the prophetic speculation game, as Frank Gumerlock points out it his The Day and the Hour, he did make a ton of money playing it.

Walvoord’s book was reprinted in 1976 and then sank without a trace until a revised edition appeared in late 1990. By August 1991, it had sold 1,676,886 copies.4 It was decisively predictive based on the events transpiring in the Gulf War:

The world today is like a stage being set for a great drama. The major actors are already in the wings waiting for their moment in history. The main stage props are already in place. The prophetic play is about to begin. . . . Our present world is well prepared for the beginning of the prophetic drama that will lead to Armageddon. Since the stage is set for this dramatic climax of the age, it must mean that Christ’s coming for his own is very near.5

Not many people realized that the basic content of the revised edition was nearly sixteen years old when it was reissued in 1990. When the Gulf War ended abruptly, the book was being remaindered for twenty-five cents a copy, if you bought it by the case!

Walvoord’s failed predictions have not deterred other prophecy writers from taking up the mantle of prophetic dogmatism by proclaiming that prophecy is being fulfilled today. And what about their past failed predictions that seemed so sure at the time? They simply moved on “without ever acknowledging their mistake.”6 This is because current events, not Scripture, serve as their interpretive grid.

In 1974, Thomas S. McCall and the late Zola Levitt wrote The Coming Russian Invasion in which they stated that “the Armageddon conflict grows out of the Russian invasion of Israel.” Now that the former Soviet Union no longer has super power status, a new prophetic theory had to be invented to fit current events. Since necessity is the mother of invention in the end-time speculation business, prophecy speculator Mark Hitchcock wrote The Coming Islamic Invasion of Israel. But that was in 2002 and it’s old news. Now that Iran is threatening Israel again, prophetic publishers are looking for the next prophetic blockbuster to take advantage of the always gullible Christian market. Similar in title to Walvoord’s book that was first published in 1974, Hitchcock has written Iran—The Coming Crisis: Radical Islam, Oil, and the Nuclear Threat. How many unsuspecting readers will know that Hitchcock has traveled this prophetic road before in The Silver Kingdom: Iran in History and Prophecy published in 1994?

The only winners in the Armageddon game are the authors who tell us it’s near and the publishers who print their books by the truck load. The losers are the integrity of God’s Word and the poor souls who pin their hopes on prophetic speculations passed off as certainties that are always said to be near.

Gary DeMar is president of American Vision and the author of more than 20 books. His latest is Myths, Lies, and Half Truths.

Reprinted with permission: American Vision P.O. Box 220, Powder Springs, GA 30127, 800-628-9460.

Notes:

1. Jerry Falwell, “On the threshold of Armageddon?” (July 23, 2006): www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51180

2. John F. Walvoord and John E. Walvoord, Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1974), 7.

3. Quoted in Kenneth L. Woodward, “The Final Days are Here Again,” Newsweek (March 18, 1991), 55.

4. Press Release, “Kudos,” Zondervan Publishing House (August 1991).

5. John W. Walvoord, Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1990), 228.

6. Stephen D. O’Leary, Arguing the Apocalypse: A Theory of Millennial Rhetoric (New York: Oxford University Press, 1994), 191.


TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: armageddon; dispensationalism; endtimes; eschatology; popprophecy; postmillenialism; rapturefever; speculation; tribulationism
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"This is because current events, not Scripture, serve as their interpretive grid."

"Now that the former Soviet Union no longer has super power status, a new prophetic theory had to be invented to fit current events."

"Now that Iran is threatening Israel again, prophetic publishers are looking for the next prophetic blockbuster to take advantage of the always gullible Christian market."

1 posted on 07/24/2006 8:28:49 AM PDT by topcat54
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2 posted on 07/24/2006 8:30:11 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
Sigh ... all John F. Walvoord did in both his mentioned books was show how current events are LEADING up to the rapture and Armageddon. The reference is ALL based on Scripture.

In no way shape or form did he PREDICT a date or personally PROPHSIZE. All he did was cover the SAME issues that are BIGGER issues today. I suppose some people just don't want to read what the Bible states and have events compliment it. No one knows when He is returning but one is allowed to look at events and see a PATTERN where His return looks very soon.

1Thes.5

[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2Pet.3

[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
3 posted on 07/24/2006 8:40:51 AM PDT by nmh
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To: topcat54

***Walvoord....... Described as “the world’s foremost interpreter of biblical prophecy***

Not accurate mind you, he just sells lots of books.


4 posted on 07/24/2006 8:42:00 AM PDT by Gamecock ("God's sheep are brought home by the Holy Spirit, and there won't be one of them lost." L R Shelton)
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To: topcat54
The only winners in the Armageddon game are the authors who tell us it’s near and the publishers who print their books by the truck load. The losers are the integrity of God’s Word and the poor souls who pin their hopes on prophetic speculations passed off as certainties that are always said to be near.

Well, dear old Hal Lindsey gets to recyle his books and his wives as each ages out. He's on wife number four at the moment, and who knows how many times he'd "updated" The Late Great Planet Earth ? New names, fresh covers, life is good if you are on the profit-making end of the doomsaying business!

5 posted on 07/24/2006 8:42:33 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: topcat54
"Walvoord’s failed predictions have not deterred other prophecy writers from taking up the mantle of prophetic dogmatism by proclaiming that prophecy is being fulfilled today."

He made NO predictions. Events today are fulfilling BIBLICAL prophecy today.

This author is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO spiritually discerned it is beyond sad.
6 posted on 07/24/2006 8:42:53 AM PDT by nmh
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To: topcat54

In 1974, Thomas S. McCall and the late Zola Levitt wrote The Coming Russian Invasion in which they stated that “the Armageddon conflict grows out of the Russian invasion of Israel.” Now that the former Soviet Union no longer has super power status, a new prophetic theory had to be invented to fit current events.>>>>

Does the author of this article think because the USSR is no more that Russia is no longer a threat? I am not really into eschatology, but if we take the premise that Gog and Magog will invade Israel, then thats what it says it doesnt say unless the USSR is no more or unless this or that.


7 posted on 07/24/2006 8:43:40 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Gamecock

Walvoord is being tarred unfairly. He's much more biblically based than some of the other prophecy folks.


8 posted on 07/24/2006 8:45:02 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: aft_lizard

Russia has always been considered the land of Magog by these prophecy scholars - not the Soviet Union. It was the Scythians who were progenitors of the Russians that was the reason why.


9 posted on 07/24/2006 8:46:26 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: TomSmedley
Lindsey has done some good work. His analysis of Islam is great. Wives aside, his biggest downfall has been a tendency to date-set.
10 posted on 07/24/2006 8:48:57 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: topcat54
Lotsa gold in the mines of Prophecy.
11 posted on 07/24/2006 8:53:00 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Blogger
When I view some of the comments on this thread, it's shocking to know how Biblically challenged some are and they're smug about it!

Amazing!
12 posted on 07/24/2006 8:55:07 AM PDT by nmh
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To: justshutupandtakeit; topcat54; Gamecock
Lotsa gold in the mines of Prophecy.

Lotsa mines buried underfoot, in those goldfields of Prophecy....

13 posted on 07/24/2006 8:59:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: nmh

Not only smug, but joyful when they see another Christian being tarred -- even though they probably haven't read that Christian's work to begin with. Walvrood is probably one of the better ones out there.


14 posted on 07/24/2006 9:00:18 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Alex Murphy

One should be careful about how one handles prophecy. Jesus said that when we see these signs coming to pass to look up... So, it follows that there are signs that we are to look for. However, when people become dogmatic that such and such is a definately a sign, then they get in trouble. We only know in retrospect. Israel becoming a nation again was definately a sign. Some of the current events may or may not be. We just have to wait and see.


15 posted on 07/24/2006 9:02:26 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: nmh; topcat54; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; OrthodoxPresbyterian
When I view some of the comments on this thread, it's shocking to know how Biblically challenged some are and they're smug about it!

Speaking of smug, tell me what you know about church history and the eschatological viewpoints known as amillennialism and postmillenialism. Bonus points awarded, if you can do so without referring to the works of Hal Lindsey or Dave Hunt.

16 posted on 07/24/2006 9:03:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Alex Murphy

yep


17 posted on 07/24/2006 9:25:41 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Alex Murphy; topcat54; Gamecock; TomSmedley; justshutupandtakeit
End-time prophesy is like global-warming. You can find a "pattern" anywhere pieced together out of anything.

Christ reigns today.

"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal." -- 2 Corinthians 4:18

18 posted on 07/24/2006 9:50:03 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: nmh; Blogger; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; TomSmedley; Dr. Eckleburg
Sigh ... all John F. Walvoord did in both his mentioned books was show how current events are LEADING up to the rapture and Armageddon. The reference is ALL based on Scripture.

Well then how is it that his book is no longer published and you can buy it used for one penny on Amazon's used book site? Surely if he wasn't giving the impression of making predictions then this text would have had a longer shelf life, esp. the second time around.

Walvoord fell into the same trap as other pop prophecy types like Hal Lindsey and Chuck Smith. He became mesmerized by the events in the Middle East and allowed that to color his scholarship. He ended up denying the old school/Scofield/Chafer/Dallas view of dispensational prophecy which taught there where would be no identifiable events prior to the rapture of the church.

19 posted on 07/24/2006 10:09:50 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
Walvoord fell into the same trap as other pop prophecy types like Hal Lindsey and Chuck Smith.

Rumor has it that Walvoord was one of Lindsey's professors at Dallas Theological Seminary. He must have fallen in first.

20 posted on 07/24/2006 10:20:08 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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One should be careful about how one handles prophecy. Jesus said that when we see these signs coming to pass to look up...

And what signs would that be? The invented signs of modern prophecy preachers whose imagination gave us 666 on bar codes, thermonuclear weapons and Cobra helicopters in the book of Revelation?

The same pop prophecy preachers whose "sounds like" game deduces that "Rosh" is Russia, "Meshech" is the city of Moscow and "Tubal" is the city of Tobolsk?

The fact is that the signs Jesus spoke of were all signs that could be readily identified by "this generation", that is His contemporaries in the 1st century. He told His disciples "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies" they were to "flee to the mountains." This is precisely what the early Christians did in AD70 just before Rome sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple.

21 posted on 07/24/2006 10:20:48 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: Blogger; nmh; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; TomSmedley
Walvrood is probably one of the better ones out there.

Well, that's quite an admission. It also says quite a bit about how gullible Christians are with this stuff.

"As others have noted, these books have one thing in common: they have all been wrong. Has that stopped the charade? Unfortunately not. In the anticipation of conflict, the Gulf War was linked with Armageddon, Saddam Hussein was associated with the Antichrist, and some of the same books were repackaged and resold. Indeed, sixteen years later Walvoord's book dealing with "the end of Western civilization" was recycled with very minor revisions and now featured a cover with a picture of a modern U.S. fighter jet. The result? 1.5 million more copies sold."

Bad Prophecy Rising

22 posted on 07/24/2006 10:35:30 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; TomSmedley; OrthodoxPresbyterian
He became mesmerized by the events in the Middle East and allowed that to color his scholarship.

"Mesmerized" is a good word. Most of these guys are dazzled by the bright lights and gaudy baubles of end-time prophecies.

But at its core, it is a political gambit and is being used to push a political agenda.

The politics may even be correct. But certainly not for theological reasons.

Every time I hear about the third temple being built, I cringe.

Jesus Christ is the third temple.

23 posted on 07/24/2006 10:36:09 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

Can't happen too soon for me. Especially since our country has been sold out, and our Congressional leaders are such excellent examples of greed gone wild...


24 posted on 07/24/2006 10:38:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: topcat54
I bought "Myths, Lies and Half-truths." It's a great book.

Christ reigns today.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -- John 16:33

25 posted on 07/24/2006 10:43:49 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
See post 25.

God is in control, even if it sometimes feels like He's looking the other way.

26 posted on 07/24/2006 10:46:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg

Hey, TC, glad to see you're back.

As usual, we find an anti-premil stance rather than a pro-XYZ stance.

Someone needs to find an article that says, "Everything is gettin' better 'n better 'til it gets so doggone good, the Lord cain't hep but come back."

I'll help you look for it.


27 posted on 07/24/2006 10:52:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I agree 100% with your tagline...


28 posted on 07/24/2006 10:54:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Blogger
One should be careful about how one handles prophecy. Jesus said that when we see these signs coming to pass to look up... So, it follows that there are signs that we are to look for.

"Tonto, we are surrounded by Indians!"

"What you mean we, paleface?

Perhaps, Jesus said what He meant and meant what He said when He addressed His warnings to the "this generation" He was speaking to. The advice he gave -- watch for trends, make a run for it when you get the chance, and don't try to save anything more than your life -- was excellent advice to THAT generation. Thousands of His saints heeded and obeyed the prophetic word He gave them, and escaped the fall of Jerusalem.

Good advice for citizens of a damned, doomed, and dying civilization. A generation that had committed history's greatest crime, by crucifying the Son of God. And reaped in full the consequences of that act.

However, 21st century America is not 1st century Israel. Those prophecies don't apply. We have other challenges to face.

29 posted on 07/24/2006 10:54:42 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: xzins; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
As usual, we find an anti-premil stance rather than a pro-XYZ stance.

One article does not a position make.

Someone needs to find an article that says, "Everything is gettin' better 'n better 'til it gets so doggone good, the Lord cain't hep but come back."

That's what we call history, son. Why don't you share with us what place and time in history you would prefer to be living other than the present.

30 posted on 07/24/2006 10:57:59 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54

Such a hypothetical is not really telling, but Jerusalem, 10 to 40 AD for starters.

:>)


31 posted on 07/24/2006 11:02:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
Such a hypothetical is not really telling, but Jerusalem, 10 to 40 AD for starters.

If your desire was martyrdom, then perhaps that would be a good time to be living. Just ask Stephen, or the disciples who would put to death by Saul of Tarsus. Or perhaps you would prefer to not live as a Christian, and just go with the social/political/religion flow of the day?

Your life expectancy, even as an unbeliever, would be considerably less than what you enjoy today. You might look forward to contracting leprosy or any number of equally debilitating diseases. The mortality rate for your offspring would be around 50 percent. There would be a high probability that your wife would die in childbirth. The local tax collector had many techniques for making your life miserable. Your country was occupied by unscrupulous foreign soldiers. Shall I go on?

That's a real nice place to be. And that was the garden spot of the world, no?

32 posted on 07/24/2006 11:13:53 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: TomSmedley

Please don't assume to lecture me on biblical context. I'm well aware of the context of Jesus's Words. He also referred to some things in that same context which have not occurred yet - for example, the abomination of desolation.

As a "grafted in" Gentile, I believe that ALL of us can look at Jesus' words and take them for what they mean. Sure, he could mean "this generation" as in the one he was talking to or "this generation" as in the one who will experience the events described. I believe it is the latter. Apparently, you believe the former.

We will simply disagree.


33 posted on 07/24/2006 11:15:11 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Yes, it's nice, isn't it? It works on so many levels. I hope the courageous Mr. Rose is still in good health.


34 posted on 07/24/2006 11:18:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

I do not recall Walvrood associating S.H. with the AntiChrist. that was another author. We who study Bible prophecy (as opposed to those who have put it on the back burner because they no longer believe it to be urgently relevant) see certain things leading up to certain fulfillment of Prophecy and the return of the Lord. It is our blessed hope. Some go to far, I admit. They get dogmatic on their speculations. But, that doesn't mean the general theme of history isn't marching to the close God prescribed.


35 posted on 07/24/2006 11:18:20 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger; TomSmedley
which have not occurred yet - for example, the abomination of desolation.

Please demonstrate how this has not yet happened.

"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house." (Matt. 24:15-17)

"So when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." (Mark 13:14)

"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:20-22)

The parallelism is clear. The events described happened in AD70. Allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture is the best advise for solving these apparent issues.

36 posted on 07/24/2006 11:24:00 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: Blogger; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg
But, that doesn't mean the general theme of history isn't marching to the close God prescribed.

A big hearty AMEN! to that - but it's not the close that you think...

The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
- Psalm 110:1

37 posted on 07/24/2006 11:25:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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But, that doesn't mean the general theme of history isn't marching to the close God prescribed.

Oh, I agree. The Bible plainly teaches that history is marching on to the second coming. But it could be another 100 or 1000 or even 10,000 years until that happens.

There is nothing definite to link "this generation" to the return of Christ. It's all speculation. See Walvoord as an example.

38 posted on 07/24/2006 11:28:06 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54

Or today. We don't know. Nobody knows.


39 posted on 07/24/2006 11:30:12 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Alex Murphy

What is that supposed to mean?


40 posted on 07/24/2006 11:30:32 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: topcat54

Show me where it did happen. It should be easy for you. It isn't the destruction of the Temple. The Abomination is something that was abhorent to God - such as the idol that Antiochus Epiphanes set up prior to New Testament times. The abomination is something that is set up - like an image of the beast.

By the way, that abomination occurs mid-point in the Tribulation period- the period which ends with the Lord's return at Armageddon. Since this has not occurred, then one must assume it is yet future.


41 posted on 07/24/2006 11:35:26 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: topcat54

Here is John MacArthur's put: http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2369.htm


42 posted on 07/24/2006 11:36:38 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: xzins; topcat54; Alex Murphy; Gamecock
Someone needs to find an article that says, "Everything is gettin' better 'n better 'til it gets so doggone good, the Lord cain't hep but come back."

How about John 16:33? Christ has overcome the world. Christ reigns today. Christ sits on the right hand of God the Father at this very moment.

Your positive preaching, Pastor, proves the point you question.

"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." -- Isaiah 45:22-23

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." -- Romans 14:11

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." -- Philippians 2:10-11

Why the Great Commission if it is not God's will that the earth be converted to Christ, that every knee bow?

43 posted on 07/24/2006 11:41:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Blogger; nmh
Blogger: What is that supposed to mean?

To quote nmh's post #12:
"When I view some of the comments on this thread, it's shocking to know how Biblically challenged some are and they're smug about it!"

44 posted on 07/24/2006 11:54:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Alex Murphy

have an excellent day Mr. Murphy.


45 posted on 07/24/2006 11:57:45 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

It means Christ reigns today.


46 posted on 07/24/2006 12:00:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger
It means Christ reigns today.

And it means He ain't leaving Heaven (i.e. no Second Coming) until some things get done first.

47 posted on 07/24/2006 12:03:56 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Of course He does. Nobody disputes that. At least I don't. But I also believe He will literally and physically reign on earth in the future. God is Sovereign. Nobody but the Lord is in charge.


48 posted on 07/24/2006 12:04:18 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Alex Murphy

I can agree with that. We are caught up to Him. We don't meet Him on the earth.


49 posted on 07/24/2006 12:07:26 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg
But I also believe He will literally and physically reign on earth in the future

I don't believe any of the (current) participants on this thread are disputing that. Just the timing, the lead-in events, and the events of (future) history which precede His literal and physical presence.

50 posted on 07/24/2006 12:07:40 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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