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Make babies, not just love
Hindustan Times ^ | August 4, 2006 | Ramesh Babu

Posted on 08/03/2006 9:15:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.

The Catholic Church in Kerala, concerned about the declining population of the community, will now ask the believers to embrace the Christian concept of sexuality that blends love and procreation. In other words, to have more children.

During the Mass next Sunday, a pastoral letter will be read out in all 26 dioceses in the state.

In the letter, Syro-Malabar Archbishop Cardinal Mar Varkey Vithayathil will remind the faithful of the need to lead a life rooted in Christian values and beliefs.

Also, to consider sex not only as an "instrument of pleasure" but also as "a tool to procreate".

Father Paul Thelekkat, spokesman of the Syro-Malabar Church, told the Hindustan Times: "There is a drastic fall in Christian population. The recently concluded synod of bishops had expressed serious concerns over the drastic fall in Christian population. So there will be some serious efforts to address this."

The letter says, "There has been a growing feeling that children are a nuisance to pleasurable life. Even those who have the resources do not beget for selfish reasons."

Blaming modern lifestyle for small families, the letter tells the congregation that if the situation continues, half the population will be grey by 2050.

The census figures and the falling attendance on Sundays have forced men of God to press the panic button. According to the 2001 census, the Christian growth rate came down to 19 per cent from 22 per cent.


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1 posted on 08/03/2006 9:15:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NYer

PING


2 posted on 08/03/2006 9:16:02 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I see nothing wrong with reminding people of this.....I wish they would also remind them of the great sacrifice of their sons becoming priests and nurturing that instead of "I want grandbabies" first and foremost.


3 posted on 08/03/2006 9:19:51 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: nickcarraway

Marriage vows:

Promise to give of oneself freely.

Promise to give of oneself totally.

Promise to give of oneself faithfully.

Promise to give of oneself fruitfully.

These are all questions asked by the priest during a marriage ceremony. I hope we all remember hearing them!


4 posted on 08/03/2006 10:40:06 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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5 posted on 08/03/2006 10:41:09 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

**I hope we all remember hearing them!**

And answering "I do" to all of them!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 08/03/2006 10:42:14 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: nickcarraway
. . . will now ask the believers to embrace the Christian concept of sexuality that blends love and procreation. In other words, to have more children.

This will put the Church at odds with the national population policy and Family Planning program mandated by the government of India and could lead to persecution by the government itself.

7 posted on 08/03/2006 11:01:55 PM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Between the Lines

Did they consider the population of the country btw? India's population is blowing up. I hope whoever supports this will also be open to allowing immigrants to their countries from India.


8 posted on 08/04/2006 3:11:46 AM PDT by MimirsWell (Pakistaneo delenda est.)
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To: Salvation

Number 7 breaks out of the womb in November!

When our 4th was born we discovered a good line to use when people make odd comments about how many children we have, and we used it all the time:

"We like to think of [insert name of youngest child] as out middle child."

Finally that prediction will be true (but for how long?)


9 posted on 08/04/2006 3:50:24 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (OEF vet says: I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: Notwithstanding

"We like to think of [insert name of youngest child] as our middle child."


10 posted on 08/04/2006 3:50:57 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (OEF vet says: I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: nickcarraway
Also, to consider sex not only as an "instrument of pleasure" but also as "a tool to procreate".

How far we've fallen!

It's like going into a bulemics convention and asking people to consider eating, not only as an instrument of pleasure, but also as a means of nutrition.

11 posted on 08/04/2006 5:30:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: MimirsWell
There is no such thing as "overpopulation."

Julian Simon

12 posted on 08/04/2006 5:33:10 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Notwithstanding

congrats! Fr. Pacwa always says 7 is a good start.


13 posted on 08/04/2006 5:33:57 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: Notwithstanding
"We like to think of [insert name of youngest child] as out middle child."

Love it! LOL! I wish I could see the faces 8-)

14 posted on 08/04/2006 5:34:06 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Between the Lines; MimirsWell

Kerala has had a very low birth rate by Indian standards esp for the Hindu & Christian communities for over 30 years,so this is not alarming by national standards.Besides,most members of the Syro-Malabar church are relatively well-off & can provide for more children than the poorer folk seen in central or Northern India.The problem that these folks are not addressing is the high rate of migration to the Persian Gulf,Europe & America over the past 30 years which has led to considerable fall in population.


15 posted on 08/04/2006 5:34:09 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Between the Lines

I have to agree, at least halfway. With India poised to overtake China as Most Populous Country, asking people to have MORE childern strikes me as misguided.
This planet already holds over 6 BILLION people and we can see the problems only too well.


16 posted on 08/04/2006 5:39:28 AM PDT by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn)
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To: Nihil Obstat; Notwithstanding
Fr. Pacwa always says 7 is a good start.

************

Funny. My husband grew up with a friend who came from a family of 13 children.

17 posted on 08/04/2006 5:43:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Number 7 breaks out of the womb in November!

**
Congratulations! We need more good people in the world!

Considering your choice of words, though, as one who has given birth, I winced. You must be the father. :-)

Love the great comeback!


18 posted on 08/04/2006 5:44:57 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: PandaRosaMishima

See post #12.


19 posted on 08/04/2006 5:46:07 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Salvation

Big families are wonderful. A lot of lessons are learned by a child who has to share and has to pull his weight to help out instead of being treated as a cute little poodle that one dresses in the latest designer clothes.


20 posted on 08/04/2006 5:48:10 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Congrats on number 7. We have number 6 in the chute. :-)

Another reply you can use when people ask the always inappropriate question "Are you done?" is: "Why do you ask?" Of course you do this with a smile, and I would only use this if the person was being obnoxious about it. Thankfully neither my wife nor I have had to use it. Most of the time when people ask this question they are being friendly and not really aware of how out of line this question is. I often just shrug my shoulders and say "Who knows" while smiling. I then usually go on to make some joke about having a basketball team or now with 6 that I don't have to play goalie anymore. Usually this causes a smile and the whole uncomfortable moment passes.


21 posted on 08/04/2006 6:10:26 AM PDT by goodform
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To: Between the Lines
This will put the Church at odds with the national population policy and Family Planning program mandated by the government of India and could lead to persecution by the government itself.

So true.

Besides, India doesn't need any more children, as the children there don't have enough....of everything.
I think this call for "more Catholics" is off the mark and not in the spirit of Christ. The call should be to be better Christians and help their fellow Indians with the children in need.

22 posted on 08/04/2006 6:26:09 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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23 posted on 08/04/2006 6:45:39 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Aquinasfan

I always think of the original Cheaper By the Dozen movie - there is a GREAT scene when the planned barrenhood lady is directed to their house by their good friend (as a joke) because the mom is a college-educated professional (in addition to being a mom, she worked at home assisting her husband in his consulting business). The mom answers the door and no kids are around. The lady then tries to recruit her to lead up the local birth control committee - and wants to use the family's house as the meeting place. She b labbers away about how people have too many kids. Then the mom calls out the children. And the barrenhood lady is mortified. Its a hoot in the book and on screen.


24 posted on 08/04/2006 6:47:12 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (OEF vet says: I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: Notwithstanding
LOL! You need this T-shirt:

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25 posted on 08/04/2006 6:48:19 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: starfish923
My Population Geography professor was born and raised in Calcutta. She knows what "crowded" is.

She taught us that unless birth rates are reversed, and the trend linking industrialization with infertility is broken, the entire world will face "catastrophic depopulation" in fewer than five generations.

We examined what will happen after the "population bubble" bursts ... total system failure. When women stop having babies, the entire social structure comes unglued.

We also learned about the "The Emergency." During that time, the Indian government was desperate for development aid ... which was linked to adherence to WHO standards of population control ... so in order to meet their "sterilization quota" and get their development money, the government started rolling up to villages, chasing down all the young women therein and forcibly sterilizing them.

My Professor (full blown feminist type) believed Population control was racist, western Imperialism at its worst. I agree. The underlying thought behind it is:

"Must stop these nasty coloured people from breeding. No more mothers. Need to get their women out of the house and into sweatshop factories, so that their nations will develop as we wish them to, into our economic dependents. "
26 posted on 08/04/2006 7:04:26 AM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: Notwithstanding
I always think of the original Cheaper By the Dozen movie

That was in the original? Wow!

27 posted on 08/04/2006 7:41:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Lilllabettt

Very true.

Japan is facing extinction, because they have very few young kids and no immigration. Here in the US, we are in slightly better shape, but not much.


28 posted on 08/04/2006 9:14:39 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: starfish923; Aquinasfan; BiggRedd

I quite agree with Starfish. Asking for "more children" is clumsy at best. What's wrong with helping the ones already there? Can't Christians, Catholics, be made by conversion as well. Mother Theresa had the right idea, go out and tend the sheep first.
As far as "overpopulation" goes, yes, the earth could hold more people and do so very well. But why would we want to? Call me a tree hugger, but what's the good of having so many people when other good things, such as the Amazon, or the Arctic ice, or the like, have to be lost? Don't animals and men already scramble for land and resources already? Yes, big familiess are wonderful, I don't deny that they can be a great source of love/resourcefulness. All I'm saying is not everyone is up to this.


29 posted on 08/04/2006 9:18:46 AM PDT by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn)
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To: Notwithstanding

God bless you and your family.

I am the oldest of seven -- so not the "Middle Child." Great line, however!


30 posted on 08/04/2006 9:21:01 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PandaRosaMishima

** asking people to have MORE childern strikes me as misguided. **

Sorry, but the cafeteria is closed!


31 posted on 08/04/2006 9:22:51 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Lilllabettt

One attitude is "Must stop these nasty coloured people from breeding." Elsewhere I read: "Japan is facing extinction, because they have very few young kids and no immigration."
So where are the babies being born?


32 posted on 08/04/2006 9:26:56 AM PDT by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn)
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To: Bigg Red; klossg; Notwithstanding

Especially when we think of what Christ did for us!!

1. He gave himself freely. (We can put to rest all of the notions that the Jews killed Jesus, He gave himself freely.)

2. He gave himself totally. Even unto death. Also proclaiming a life of service to others! (Should be in the marriage vows -- till death do us part.)

3. He gave himself faithfully. "Father, not my will, but your will be done." "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." etc.

4. He gave himself fruitfully. Christ died on the Cross to give us life everlasting and to redeem the first sin of the first couple, Adam and Eve. Also to triumph over the devil.

So a couple who practices these four things -- should take heart! They are following in Christ's footsteps!

To hear these reflections (and more) of Pope John Paul II through the explanation of Christopher West -- take a Theology of the Body class. They are wonderful!!!!!


33 posted on 08/04/2006 9:31:38 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PandaRosaMishima
So where are the babies being born?

Mainly in islamic areas. Poland and parts of the Ukraine are increasing also. That is why churches are being turned into mosques in Europe. Not enough Christians are reproducing.

34 posted on 08/04/2006 9:32:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: PandaRosaMishima

"So where are the babies being born?"

In some parts of Africa, central and near Asia, and some small parts of eastern Europe.

In western Europe and most industrialized countries, the birthrate is dropping. In countries like Italy, and Spain, the birthrate has dropped dramatically and is significantly below replacement levels.

In the U.S. we're at about replacement birthrate levels, but the trend over time has been the birthrates heading downward. The reason our population is increasing is due to immigration.


35 posted on 08/04/2006 2:23:51 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: redgolum
Japan is facing extinction, because they have very few young kids and no immigration.

I've read that the Japanese population may have actually declined last year. Not just their birth rate, their population itself is actually starting to drop.

36 posted on 08/04/2006 2:39:26 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Aquinasfan

Thank you Aquinas. I also wonder if the world is doomed Malthus groupies ever consider the racism behind the push to control the populations of the third world.

The ecopsycos ( big supporters of population control) turned a blind eye to the great numbers of African and Asians who died of malaria because of the ban on DDT. Do you think the same would have been tolerated if the dead were from Santa Barbara or Palm Beach?


37 posted on 08/04/2006 3:32:21 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Aquinasfan

Thank you Aquinas. I also wonder if the world is doomed Malthus groupies ever consider the racism behind the push to control the populations of the third world.

The ecopsycos ( big supporters of population control) turned a blind eye to the great numbers of African and Asians who died of malaria because of the ban on DDT. Do you think the same would have been tolerated if the dead were from Santa Barbara or Palm Beach?


38 posted on 08/04/2006 3:46:00 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

"So where are the babies being born?"

Close to their mothers?


39 posted on 08/04/2006 3:47:57 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: nickcarraway

Pro-family bumpus ad summum


40 posted on 08/04/2006 6:53:43 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: lastchance

"Close to their mothers?"

LOL! Touche'


41 posted on 08/04/2006 9:28:44 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: lastchance

"So where are the babies being born?"

I've fathered six. The little church we're attending since we've moved to Iowa a year ago has all of a sudden had a bunch of pregnancies. Maybe it's a change in the water.


42 posted on 08/05/2006 6:06:13 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (When you believe in nothing, then everything is acceptable.)
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To: Lilllabettt
My Professor (full blown feminist type) believed Population control was racist, western Imperialism at its worst. I agree.

I guess you are another example of the fruit of the education-by-full-blow-feminist-types.
In THIS case population control, done by your own Indian government, freely and democratically elected, wasn't your own Indian government's fault. No, it was the fault of the nasty western Imperialists.

1. I guess all those young women that were chased down and forcibly sterilized were family-less, no fathers or brothers to protect them. They had no friends to turn to either, I guess.
I wonder how the Indian government KNEW what young women needed forcible sterilization. SOMEONE had to compile a list, then find out where these women lived, when they were free to be abducted. SOMEONE had to find out if those young women had any health issues that might impede the forcible sterilziation.
It must have taken a multi-million-man army of clerks, kidnappers, doctors, nurses and such to perpetrate this crime. I wonder if they are still operating in India. Young, unsterilized women abound.

2. I guess there was no recourse for them from police or courts. These things, I guess, can happen there. I guess India doesn't have civil liberties for young, unsterilized women.

3. I guess they were abducted in the middle of the night where there was no one to see them, protect them or witness their forcible abduction.

4. I guess all the doctors, nurses, surgery assistants and hospital attendants were in on this forcible sterilization as well.

5. I guess Indian civil liberties were just done away with for these forcibly-sterilized young women.

My, my, Western Imperialism managed to do ALL THIS and the Indian government and people just stood by and watched and did nothing. What POWER "western Imperialism" has over India. I had no idea.

From what I know of India and its caste system, racism by caste is pure Hindu, from ancient EVEN pre-western Imperialism. Racism is built into the very fabric of Indian society, with name, occupation -- and color -- built into keeping people in their place: Brahmins at the top and untouchables at the bottom.
But, perhaps, somehow, in that full-blown feminist's teacher's mind, western Imperialism is to blame for even that.
Lol. She has a lot of nerve calling the West "racist." Look what pot is calling the kettle black. Perhaps she was EDUCATED by the West and brought those ideas over there. No, that couldn't be because the West decries racism and such things as forcible sterilization. In fact, the West has laws against racism and forcible sterilization. Young women chased down and forcibly sterilized doesn't happen here.

Her tirade is, like the full-blown feminist tirades here, chock full of holes, lies, wasted emotion, nonsequiters, skewed logic and unclear thinking. She ought to be "casting stones" at her OWN house instead of at the West's. She wouldn't be listened to anyway. She makes no sense. Her garbage sounds good ONLY to young, emotional, uninformed, unhappy, angry minds with no sensible minds to counteract her nonsense.

Maybe, like the full blown feminists here, she is simply an angry, bitter, unhappy woman who turns her rage and self-hate towards ANYONE else but that woman in the mirror.
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, whose the bitterest of them all?
I hope you have purged yourself of that poison. It will only make your life less fulfilled.

I learned a LONG time ago that the answers to all questions and problems are at the foot of the Cross. I wonder if that full-blown feminist instructor knows that. Somehow, I doubt it.

43 posted on 08/05/2006 7:10:44 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: PandaRosaMishima
I quite agree with Starfish. Asking for "more children" is clumsy at best. What's wrong with helping the ones already there? Can't Christians, Catholics, be made by conversion as well. Mother Theresa had the right idea, go out and tend the sheep first.
She most certainly did.
Sidenote: A large German company bought the airport in Albania's capital, Tirana. It wasn't Mother Theresa's homeland, which was Skopje, Macedonia, but it was where she grew up. Anyway, these Germans brought in all local Albanian people to rebuilt and remodel the hopelessly out-of-date airport. It was a lovely joint project.
Then, the people of the country where Mother Theresa lived had to decide on a name for the airport.
You guessed it. The once-HOPELESSLY COMMUNIST Albanians chose their airport name: MOTHER THERESA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. Such irony

As far as "overpopulation" goes, yes, the earth could hold more people and do so very well. But why would we want to? Call me a tree hugger, but what's the good of having so many people when other good things, such as the Amazon, or the Arctic ice, or the like, have to be lost? Don't animals and men already scramble for land and resources already? Yes, big familiess are wonderful, I don't deny that they can be a great source of love/resourcefulness. All I'm saying is not everyone is up to this.
Well said.

44 posted on 08/05/2006 7:21:37 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Looks like corn ain't the only crop Iowans are good at growing. Congrats to having a healthy family.


45 posted on 08/05/2006 11:50:19 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: starfish923

Would it help if I gave you my bona fides as a not full blown feminist type? I am a Catholic who agrees with all my heart and mind with the teachings of my church. So you can bet that my beliefs for the most part run counter to the feminist mind set.

However population control is racist. It must be remembered that population control did not arise isolated out of science or philosophy or religion. It is the beloved child of Eugenics.

The Eugenics movements history can easily be researched on the web. Some names you might want to give a more than fleeting glance to are Margaret Sanger, Francis Galton
( cousin of Charles Darwin), Joseph Fletcher, Kingsley Davis and Lothrop Stoddard.

I haven't even mentioned the money men behind to movement. But today one of the most prominent and influential is John D. Rockefeller who follows in his families footsteps by giving millions to population control efforts.

Paul Jalsevac has written an excellent paper titled

" The Inherent Racism of Population Control"
it can be found at www.lifesite.net
some of the works of the Population Control Advocates cited there include:

Margaret Sanger's " A Code To Stop Overproduction of Children" Also " The Negro Project" was a program of Margaret Sanger's. Suffice it to say it was not pro Negro.

Lothrop's " The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy" Both of these texts are just a small sample of eugenic writings that proposed inferior races were a threat to the US and the world at large.

The philosophy that drove Malthusians, eugenicists, population control advocates are from the same root. That there are too many of the wrong kind of people. Whether it be the poor, the Jews, the Africans, the Asians, the Eastern Europeans or the disabled. It arises out of the belief that individual rights and human dignity must at times be sacrificed for the better good of society. This philosophy can be seen not only in population control support but in the arguments for euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research and selective abortion.

You mock that women are forced to undergo sterilization. Yes it happens. Maybe not in the direct Carrie Buck case style but in other unjustifiable ways. The main way in which women are forced to undergo sterilization or to artificially control the birth of children is one you might have not given thought to.

Economic pressures put on their native countries by such bodies as the UN and the World Bank. After 1968 the World Bank began forcing countries to accept family planning programs they wanted to keep their loans. In 1966 the UN called for special aid for countries that were willing to decrease their population. The United Nations Fund For Population Activities " takes pride in being the
' the world's largest international source of population and reproductive health programs ' Reproductive health programs pretty much means abortion.

You may think that the economic pressure on countries to toe the population control line is ineffectual. But access to the purse strings have always been a great motivator. For people as well as nations.

One aspect of population control often not touched upon is that it always claims that the high birth rate of poor nations is a scandal not only because of the effect they have on resources but because of the very high infant mortality rate. What the second part of that justification fails to mention is that very little money
( in comparison to the cost for funding population control) needs to be spent to help overcome high infant mortality rates. Access to immunizations, clean water, ant-diaharrea medications or supplements,advocacy for breast feeding programs to train midwives and simple sanitation procedures would do a lot towards lowering infant mortality rates.

Non of these are overly costly and the lasting benefits to the people of the countries given these tools to improve infant survival rates is immeasurable.

So yes this loyal the the Church Catholic agrees that population control is racist. I agree with this statement

From the beginning, the great obstacle to the eugenics movement has been the Catholic Church, and the Church's position has been repeatedly distorted. A sketch of the Church's position can be found in: Gaudium et Spes or The Church in the Modern World the Vatican II document explaining to all people of good will why the Church wants to be involved in discussions of the problems facing the world and what she thinks she offers;...

You are probably aware that the Catholic Church can hardly be classified as being in the good graces of the full blown feminist types. So the above argument arise not from radical feminism but in the teachings on human dignity by the Catholic Church.


46 posted on 08/05/2006 1:17:47 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: starfish923

As a PS to my previous post. Mother Theresa is hardly a person to reference in an argument for population control.
I hope you understand why this would be so.


47 posted on 08/05/2006 1:25:27 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Notwithstanding

I like to tell people that we need to outnumber the idiots in the world.


48 posted on 08/05/2006 1:28:17 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: goodform

With the "are you done" question my husband used to emphatically answer "YES". After our last surprise he sheepishly will say, "I don't know."


49 posted on 08/05/2006 1:29:57 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: lastchance

Great post.


50 posted on 08/05/2006 1:30:04 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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