Posted on 08/12/2006 7:01:28 AM PDT by NYer
Amen, Amen! As a cradle catholic, I have always believed this but I didn't have a deep understanding of it until recently. I have done a few protestant bible studies (Beth Moore studies). My Catholic friends were worried that I would be 'swayed', it did nothing except deepen my Catholic faith. Especially when we were studying old testament and the manna that came down from heaven. The light bulb went off.. God did NOT send SYMBOLIC manna, he sent real food, true food to them. That is what Jesus was trying to tell us about himself! It's exciting and so peaceful at the same time...
You have been given an awesome gift of understanding this! God bless you!
"Our first Christian ancestors devoted themselves to the Eucharist, and that is perhaps the most important way they showed themselves to be Christians. No Christian practice is so well attested from those early years. No doctrine is so systematically worked out as the doctrine of the Eucharist. "
The Martyrs Cup
Beautiful! Thank you for that meditation, another prefigurement.
Do you believe that Jesus is made of wood or that he has leaves?
Did Jesus grasp a particular tree, a physical tree, and say the tree was he?
Do you know how many of Jesus' disciples were lost to Him that day because they had their mind set exactly as you do?
St. Peter understood His words and said, "Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life."
Jesus repeated at least three times Amen, Amen I say to you... about His body and His blood in John chapter 6. Amen means so be it, truly. What more proof do you want?
I see that you're still trying to sell as "Biblical theology" the heretical doctrine of cannibalism.... The problem is... This RCC doctrine will not stand up to the scrutiny of Scripture or the scrutiny of science...
The transubstantiation of bread and wine into literal flesh and blood has no basis in Scripture or in science... Do I need to explain this any further.. The choice is yours...
Here is one of my favorite Hymns.. Its message is Biblically correct... We sing it often.. When we remember Christ according to His command on the first day of the week...
"For the bread and for the wine,
For the pledge that seals Him mine,
For the words of love divine,
We give Thee thanks, O Lord.
For the words that turn our eye
To the cross of Calvary,
Bidding us in faith draw nigh,
We give Thee thanks, O Lord.
For the words that tell of home,
Pointing us beyond the tomb,
"Do ye this, until I come!"
We give Thee thanks, O Lord.
Till He come we take the bread,
Type of Him on Whom we feed,
Him who liveth and was dead!
We give Thee thanks, O Lord.
Till He come we take the cup;
As we at His table sup,
Eye and heart are lifted up!
We give Thee thanks, O Lord.
For that coming, here foreshown,
For that day to man unknown,
For the glory and the throne,
We give Thee thanks, O Lord."
The transubstantiation of bread and wine into literal flesh and blood has no basis in Scripture or in science
You totally misunderstand what "transubstantiation" means. It means that while maintaining the accidents of bread and wine (taste, appearance, smell, etc.), the consecrated host and wine is in its essence the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Our Lord Jesus Christ, true God and true Man.
>>You totally misunderstand what "transubstantiation" means. It means that while maintaining the accidents of bread and wine (taste, appearance, smell, etc.), the consecrated host and wine is in its essence the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Our Lord Jesus Christ, true God and true Man.<<
Maybe we're getting somewhere... So, what you're saying is that the bread and wine DO NOT literally become, by something called "transubstantiation", LITERAL flesh and LITERAL blood? You're saying that when the bread and wine would be put under scientific analysis... The bread and wine would have the same texture, smell, taste, molecular structure... etc as they had before they underwent a thing called "transubstantiation"... Right?
This is at odds with what some of you're RCC friends are saying... Some are saying that it becomes "literal" flesh and "literal" wine...
It is what it is. If God can raise stones to be sons of Abraham, He can make His Flesh and Blood look and taste like bread and wine.
"It is what it is. If God can raise stones to be sons of Abraham, "
If He did, they wouldn't still look like stones - would they?
You doubt the omnipotence of God?
"You doubt the omnipotence of God?"
No, I confirm it.
When God changes water into wine it becomes WINE.
It doesn't remain water.
"Blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed" (John 20:29).
BTTT
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