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Neocon Catholics target mainline Protestants
Media Transparency ^ | August 11, 2006 | Andrew J. Weaver

Posted on 08/14/2006 9:21:08 AM PDT by kentuckycatholiceye

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To: escapefromboston

I think Baptists predate Martin Luther.


21 posted on 08/14/2006 6:40:06 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: escapefromboston

"Baptists don't consider themselves Protestants???"
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We were never a part of the RC Church.


22 posted on 08/14/2006 7:16:42 PM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: AlaskaErik
You can't be serious...this article is utter trash.

fellow Catholics...and brother Knights...they're onto our Secret Plan to Take Over the World...

23 posted on 08/14/2006 8:13:01 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: Larry Lucido
I don't see how the Baptist could have come before Martin Luther and the Protestant reformation. I suppose they may want to believe they have been around since Jesus but I don't think it really holds up (historically speaking).
24 posted on 08/15/2006 6:27:03 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: wmfights
Ya I guess you split off from the Puritans but weren't the Puritans considered Protestants?
25 posted on 08/15/2006 6:28:13 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: wmfights

YOU weren't, but hard to trance your apostolic succession. Of course, "Baptist" is a big tent, including every theological school .


26 posted on 08/15/2006 6:45:40 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
"...apostolic succession..."
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You really should be saying succession of leadership. The Apostles only existed for one generation. The people taught by the Apostles were certainly early church leaders but they were never Apostles.
27 posted on 08/15/2006 8:35:51 PM PDT by wmfights (Former PUB now INDEPENDENT)
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To: wmfights

The term means "successors of the Apostles.," It does not mean that a bishop like Ignatius was an apostle or even an apostolic man like Luke.


28 posted on 08/15/2006 10:06:49 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
It's conveniently misleading.
29 posted on 08/16/2006 6:55:46 AM PDT by wmfights (Former PUB now INDEPENDENT)
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To: wmfights

Apostolic succession has always meant leadership succession.


30 posted on 08/16/2006 7:45:27 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: AlaskaErik

If you are a conservative Christian, you must realize that the beef that the writers have with these Catholic authors is that they fight for Christianity, with a conservative leaning. Unless you've wandered lost into FR, these are your allies who are being attacked for their patriotism, conservativism, and moral values.


31 posted on 08/16/2006 8:58:25 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy

True, restorationists do not consider themselves Protestant. However, Fr. McCloskey is certainly using standard usage when calling them Protestant*; in fact, they are categorized as Protestant far more commonly than Anglicans; the ones who could have a real beef with Fr. McCloskey are the partisan Orthodox. Fr. McCloskey is less likely calling them Protestant than brushing over their disagreements, but then again, the subjects of his sentence are schismatic Amchurch "Catholics In Name Only", not the Orthodox, Baptistsm or Restorationists.

(*One exception are the Mormons, who, like Jehovah's Witnesses, are frequently categorized as "Marginal Christians," because they reject key Christian doctrine, such as the trinity.

I mean to make no comment on how fair these categorizations are, only that Fr. McCloskey's definition of Protestant is, although perhaps problemmatic, quite standard.)


32 posted on 08/16/2006 9:07:10 AM PDT by dangus
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To: wmfights

>> It's conveniently misleading.<<

"Apostolic" is a term used since the first century to refer to those local church leaders who had been annointed by the apostles, or, recursively, those who were apostolic. It was used to distinguish those with authentic authority from con-men like the gnostics, Simon the Magician, etc.


33 posted on 08/16/2006 9:14:01 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy

And he needs to recognize that the conservatives are alligned with God.


34 posted on 08/16/2006 9:16:31 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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