Posted on 08/16/2006 5:31:28 PM PDT by Coleus
Hindu “Mass” Sparks Violent Altercation in Toronto Churchyard
by Cornelia R. Ferreira
George’s eyes were glazing over. The “Indian Rite of Mass” was in full swing at St. Ann’s Church in Toronto on Sunday, July 2, 2006, and he felt he was being hypnotized by the endless monotonous chants and the flowing hand movements of the Indian dancing girls. Feeling nauseated, he left the front of the church and walked to the back to clear his mind. Along the way he noticed people frozen in the pews as though in a trance.
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Scenes from the Hindu "Mass" Above: Triple Arati Underneath: The "Our Father"
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George and some friends had learnt of this event at St. Ann’s through flyers that announced a “Roman Rite Liturgy of the Eucharist with religious cultural adaptations of India, approved by the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India”. The Presider would be a certain Father Thomas D’Sa, Director of the National Biblical Catechetical Liturgical Centre (NBCLC) of the Indian Bishops’ Conference in Bangalore, India. The flyer pictured a “Jesus” dressed like a Hinduized Catholic priest, squatting in front of a large plate on which rested a huge “host” the size of an Indian unleavened bread called chappati.
George, unaware that the NBCLC was actually founded by the Indian bishops forty years ago in order to Hinduize the Church in India,[1] was scandalized by the idea of pagan rituals at a Catholic Mass. Complying with his Confirmation grace to defend the Faith, he and his friends went to St. Ann’s to educate and warn attendees that the service advertised in the flyer as the “Indian Order of Eucharistic Celebration” would be Hindu, not Indian. They intended to peacefully demonstrate be-forehand with placards proclaiming sentiments such as “Hinduism is not part of Catholicism,” and “Inculturation is the work of the devil”. They also wished to distribute copies of this writer’s article on the Hindu rituals used during Mother Teresa’s beatification Mass,[2] telling people to read it to understand what they would encounter. They did not have the opportunity, however, to carry out their plan until after the service, with unexpected results. But more on that later.
It should be noted that the event was advertised on the Archdiocese of Toronto website although there is no “Indian Rite” or “Ordo” that has official Vatican approval. Also, there is no exclusively “Indian” religion or culture, as many religions co-exist in that country. The “Mass” concocted in 1969 by the Indian bishops has always been a Hindu-Catholic syncretic hybrid, the version at St. Ann’s being an obvious adaptation for Western audiences.[3] As for dance during Mass, which has always been forbidden, even the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship, in 1975, said dance “desacralizes” the liturgy, “introducing an atmosphere of profanity”.[4]
The Voice of Dance
The service was a consciousness-raising workshop, with Fr. D’Sa explaining the significance of each dance and ritual. Though cloaked in Catholic terminology, the explanations made it clear that he would be conducting Hindu worship or puja, with the barest essentials of the Mass grafted onto it. (Indeed, as it turned out, missing would be the Creed, Lamb of God and Final Blessing.) In any case, Hinduized Catholics do not use the words “Lord,” “Jesus,” or “God” in the Catholic sense. Hinduized priests admit that people at a puja-Mass “are not praying to some Christian Deity, but to the Deity who is understood and experienced in different ways in different religious cultures and traditions,”[5] i.e., they pray to the pantheistic, universal, impersonal Absolute, the Hindu god. It was announced that Fr. D’Sa and his dance troupe were on a workshop tour. They had been in Europe and their next stop was the University of Winnipeg (“Celebrating Spirituality and Dance,” as advertised on Winnipeg’s Archdiocesan website).
A little background on the troupe is in order. Named “Nrityavani,” which means “the voice of dance,” it is an official organ of the Indian Bishops’ Conference. It was devised “to inculturate Catholicism through dance”[6] — in other words, to Hinduize Catholic liturgy and belief worldwide, through its adaptations of Indian classical dance, which is an expression of Hinduism. Directed by Fr. D’Sa, Nrityavani features Catholic dancers as young as nine, and at least one dancing priest.[7] Now, in February 2006, the occult humanitarian Art of Living Foundation, a United Nations non-governmental association, founded by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (not the sitarist), held an interfaith Jubilee celebration. It drew 2.5 million people to the “first ever ‘spiritual Olympics’,” who meditated together as a “One-World Family”. Dignitaries included the Archbishop of Bangalore and over 1,000 spiritual leaders, as well as World Bank executives, NASA engineers, movie stars, heads of government and Nobel Laureates. Former Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers was also present; he is a partner of Mikhail Gorbachev in promoting the Earth Charter, and also Hans Küng’s associate for the anti-Christian Global Ethic. In line with Shan-kar’s philosophy, Indian President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam suggested using music “as a binding force” for the world’s religions to promote an enlightened society and world harmony. Shankar also believes that “[e]ven inside the devil there is divinity, but it is sleeping. When it wakes up, the devil simply disappears”.[8]
On April 2, 2006, the Indian bishops honored Shankar’s Jubilee with a function at the NBCLC. The Indian website daijiworld.com com-mented:[9] “As the word ‘Catholic’ stands for a universal outlook encompassing everyone, NBCLC respects every religion”. The celebration theme was “Pilgrimage towards inner harmony” and “Living with people of other faiths”. Following NBCLC Director Father D’Sa’s welcome speech and Hindu devotional songs, Nrityavani dances depicted that “Wisdom is divine and the divine gifts are to be distributed freely”.
Homage to the Gods
Let us now return to the Hindu Ordo Mass at the century-old St. Ann’s Church in Toronto. Site of a Native Peoples’ Parish for two decades, it had already been desecrated by Canadian Indian rituals. Before the Mass, Father D’Sa announced he would be explaining the dance gestures and postures as used in “the Indian culture.” He said the Entrance Procession would be preceded by an opening dance honoring the Blessed Trinity. The three barefooted Nrityavani dancing girls positioned in front of the altar were introduced respectively as representing, by their gestures, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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The Blessed Trinity Dance featured the chanting of the magic (occult) mantra OM as each “Person” of the Trinity came “on stage”. Hinduism teaches that we need to develop the inner consciousness of our divinity and our oneness with the Absolute. Mantra vibrations induce a trance (recall George’s unease) in which we can feel ourselves one with the Supreme Divinity. OM is the su-preme vibration as it means “I Am” (appropriating the name by which the true God revealed Himself!). It began creation and initiates awareness. For this reason, and because “Divinity alone can worship Divinity,” every puja must start with OM, to help us recognize our “I Am”-ness and oneness. Mantras and hand gestures also alleg-edly purify and divinize the body.[10]
OM also is the Hindu god Krishna, himself a reincarnation of the god Vishnu, who is the personification of the Absolute. It also has sexual and black magic meanings. Further, the trunk of the elephant-head god Ganesha or Ganapati also represents OM, so Ganesha is usually the first god worshiped in a traditional puja. In 1980, Wladislaw Cardinal Rubin, Prefect of the Congregation for Oriental Churches, forbade the use of OM because it is “an essential, integral part of Hindu worship”.[11] Since the actual sound of OM represents the Hindu Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva,[12] and since the whole ceremony was profane, we are led to believe that the Holy Trinity Dance at St. Ann’s honored the Hindu, not the Christian Trinity. After the Blessed Trinity Dance and[13] Entrance Procession, the priests were greeted with an arati of lights, after which Father D’Sa performed the same arati towards the people.
He had earlier told them, “We shall also welcome you with an Indian gesture called arati, with flowers and with a lamp”. As a dancer demonstrated how the arati plate is waved in three circles, Father D’Sa explained that the first circle stands for God who created us and the universe, the second circle for the universe, and the third for our fellow human beings. “In this way,” he said, “we are united with God, the universe, and with our fellow human beings in this one gesture called arati”. This statement clearly denoted the Hindu nature of the proceedings, as Hindus believe all men are united with the universal Absolute. Hinduism’s other deities are manifestations of the divine One. Father D’Sa was disingenuous in describing arati as a mere “welcoming gesture” instead of as the most important ritual in Hindu worship. Arati is defined as a temple ritual in which a fire or light on a plate is waved in a clockwise direction in front of a deity, an important person, or anything valuable. Light is worshiped as the Supreme Lord of inner consciousness. The clockwise direction symbolizes one’s divinity, revealed by the “flame” or light of knowledge. Fire and light themselves are worshiped. Indeed, the puja-Mass was advertised in the flyer as “Divya Yagam,” a term meaning “worship of the Light”. Arati is also done to appease the goddess Arathi and to counteract “the evil eye”. Further, the Hindu gods demand adoration with flowers, incense and light. It just so happens that the puja-Mass features a triple arati of fire, flowers and incense sticks later in the proceedings.
Father D’Sa was the main celebrant, and the pastor of St. Ann’s the concelebrant. Both priests sported a white dot between the eyebrows. There are several varieties and meanings for this dot, the first being that the wearer proclaims he is a Hindu. The location between the eyebrows is supposed to be a center of spiritual energy and a focus of meditation. The dot in that position represents the “third eye” of divine inner sight — i.e., of occult knowledge and abilities — and awareness of unity with the universe, which Hindus seek to awaken. Focusing on the god within, the dot is a symbol of the worship of the intellect.[14] Before the washing of the hands, Father D’Sa performed a superstitious ritual, offering blue and red flowers to the “eight directions of the world”. He said the flowers symbolized those present who were from different cultures and traditions, hoping for unity. However, in the regular Hindu ritual, flowers are offered to the gods of the eight directions, honoring the eight aspects of the god Shiva. The ritual is also done to obtain the protection of the god who rules a particular eighth section of the universe. Another reason for this puja is that one doesn’t know from which direction the Absolute Lord will come.[15] A different god, seemingly chosen according to need, is invoked for each direction. Father D’Sa himself chanted eight names as he touched the flowers to his forehead, nose and chest, then carefully arranged them on the altar at the compass points surrounding the host and chalices.
After the Great Amen, the dancing girls performed a triple arati of flowers, fire and incense to the accompaniment of more pagan chants whilst the celebrants held aloft the consecrated Sacred Species. Father D’Sa announced that this blasphemy was “the climactic part of our Eucharistic Prayer”. At the Kiss of Peace, the congregation was told to fold their hands and do the Indian greeting of namaste to their neighbors. Namaste means “the god in me honors the god in you”. It awakens the third eye of the greeter to worship the god in the greeted.[16]
Another abomination took place at the Our Father. Instead of reciting the prayer together as a congregation, the people were asked to sit down while the girls launched into another interpretive dance number. Most gestures were completely un-fathomable, with the exception of receiving bread and forgiving trespasses (a shove, hurt feelings, forgiveness, hugs all around). The musical accompaniment was a Hare Krishna chant! Father D’Sa intoned the words “Our Father” four times. The response each time was the mantra “Hare Krishna”; towards the end of the prayer, the mantra was repeated over and over. Krishna, the reincarnation of Vishnu, who represents the Absolute Lord, is said to have se-duced 16,000 women, and a whole occult, erotic literature has been developed around this aspect of Krishna.[17] The words “Hare Krishna” mean “O energy of the Lord (Hare), O Lord (Krishna), please engage me in your service!” This energy is actually the goddess Radha, Krishna’s chief consort, who “helps the de-votee achieve the grace of the supreme Father,” Krishna, who reveals himself to the sincere devotee. The mantra “Hare Krish-na” is thus supposed to awaken spiritual consciousness.[18]
Replacing the Final Blessing, the Dance of the Last Supper was performed to illustrate the “social dimension” that should result from celebrating the Eucharist. The portrayal of “what we must do when we go out into the world” included the washing of the feet and another depiction of forgiveness. Finally came the mutual gestures of appreciation between the two priests. The pastor announced a second collection to defray the touring expenses of the troupe. In gratitude for his hosting of the “Indian Order of the Eucharist,” the pastor was presented with a garland of flowers and a large picture of “Jesus as an Indian [i.e., Hindu] guru, Jesus in contemplation”.
The only applause came at the end of this presentation, and it seemed “led” and rather restrained. The absence of clapping by a liberal congregation was most unusual. Did the rituals engender a trance state, as intended, and as George had observed? Not everyone was hypnotized, however. Some people walked out during the service and others did not receive Communion.
All Hell Breaks Loose
Throughout the blasphemous puja-Mass, George’s friends Joan and Rose sat at the back, praying Rosaries, Litanies and other prayers. They spoke audibly, but quietly, “so that people would know something was wrong.” Right after the service, they started passing out copies of the Mother Teresa article to people inside the church. A Sister of St. Joseph (in plainclothes) testily enquired, “Did you get Father’s permission?” “We don’t need Father’s permission,” they replied. The three kept handing out copies, urging people, “Read this. It explains everything that took place just now in this church.”
Standing on the front steps, they continued, “The church has been desecrated. The Body and Blood of Our Lord have been desecrated. Don’t go to this church any more!” At times they added, “The two priests are going to hell because of this!” Some people accepted the articles, others didn’t. One woman asked for a bunch and started distributing them herself. The nun tried frantically to stop the demonstrators. “Get off the property! Get off the property!” she yelled. She ordered people not to take the article. “They don’t have Father’s permission. They are invading our church. They are strangers come to cause trouble.” She even snatched articles from parishioners’ hands and ripped them up. People started hustling Rose and George down the steps. Suddenly, alerted by the furious nun, the pastor, still in his vestments (and garland), emerged and rushed wildly towards them. “Keep off the church property!” he shouted, trying to choke Rose.
“I saw the devil in his eyes,” she recalled.
George rushed to her defense, putting himself between the two. “Get your hands off her!” he shouted. “What do you think you’re doing, Father? Why are you picking on a woman? Pick on someone your own size!” (Rose is a diminutive 110 pounds, whilst both men are sturdily built, around 200 pounds.) The priest knocked him aside and tried again to throttle Rose, so George intervened again. The priest was seen to punch and kick him, and George had to shove him away in self-defense. At some point the pastor was also seen ripping up Mother Teresa articles. Then he grabbed the bag of rolled-up placards Rose was holding and started shredding them to pieces. George retrieved the bag. Several times the trio accused the priest of being a wolf in sheep’s clothing. About 50 church attendees were milling around, some seemingly stunned by the sight of their pastor attacking a woman and initiating a brawl. Several by-standers, however, entered the fray on the side of the priest, including one elderly woman who used her motorized wheelchair as a weapon. She ran over Rose’s foot, injuring it, and tried the same with George. Many demanded to know who they were and from which organization they had come. “We are Roman Catholics just like you. We’re not from any organization,” they replied.
One man accused them of not following Vatican II.
Finally, indicating with a contemptuous hand movement that the trio were crazy, the pastor returned to the church. Ironically, he seemed to have forgotten the message of universal love and harmony pervading the Hinduized service. For her own part, Rose thought only of the sacrileges, desecrations, and blindness of those involved. “It’s sad,” she said, reacting to the day’s events. “It’s very, very sad.”
Notes:
1. This is well documented in Victor J.F. Kulanday, The Paganization of the Church in India, 2d rev. ed. (San Thome, Madras: 1988).
2. Cornelia R. Ferreira, “Mother Teresa ‘Beatified’ with Idolatrous Rites,” Catholic Family News, January 2004 on the web at www.cfnews.org/beatipagan.htm (also available as a reprint #902 for $2.50US).
3. The original version is described in Kulanday’s book.
4. Ferreira, ibid.
5. India: The Lotus and the Cross, television documentary produced by Vishnu and Rita Mathur, SilverTouch Productions [Toronto], 2004.
6. Father Aidan Turner, “Man of Vision Bring [sic] Indian Dancers to Mass,” in “Diocesan News,” The Voice, www.thevoiceonline.org, August 2005.
7. Ibid.; www.st-augustines-high.lancsngfl.ac.uk/index.html (click on News, “Recent Events, “Nrityavani, June 1, 2005). The website lauds the troupe for spreading the Gospels “via Asian Dance,” thus disguising its Hindu-evangelizing nature even further.
8. “Silver Jubilee 2006,” www.artofliving.org.
9. Jessie Rodrigues, “Bangalore: NBCLC Honours Art of Living Guru Sri Sri Ravi Shankar”.
10. Swami Bhajanananda Saraswati and Brahmachari Parameshwara, The Art of Seeing God,” www.kalimandir.org/homepage.asp (click on “library”); Ashok Basargekar, “Perceiving the True Identity of the Absolute,” www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8891/pooja.txt ; “Om: Symbol of the Absolute,” www.hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa022200.htm.
11. Ferreira, ibid.; “Attributes of Ganesha,” www.emplenet.com/beliefs/whoisganesha.htm
12. John B. Noss, Man’s Religions, 3d ed. (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1963), p. 279; Kulanday, pp. 82-83, 151.
13. Ferreira, ibid.
14. Articles on the dot can be found at www.experiencefestival.com/a/Hinduism/id/51452 ;
http://hindunet.org/srh_home/1996_9/msg00176.html ; www.jansarisevak.org.uk/HinduCulture.html ; and
www.experiencefestival.com/third_eye_chakra
15. “Upachara: Offerings,” in “Shri Shri Shiva Mahadeva,” www.religiousworlds.com/mandalam/shiva.htm; Jayaram V., “Ashtadikpalas: The Eight Vedic Gods,” www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/dikpalas.asp ; “Perceiving the True Identity”.
16. See www.experiencefestival.com/namaste .
17. Noss, pp. 287, 289-90.
18. “Maha-mantra,” www.krishna.com/main.php?id=620 ; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, “Chanting Hare Krishna,” www.harekrishnatemple.com/bhakta/chapter7.html ; “Hare Krishna …,” www.chanting.krishna.org/Articles/2003/04/009.html ; Noss, pp. 289-290. Note: The mantra chanted at the Our Father was not the version popularized by the Hare Krishna Movement.
Why can't they just start their own churches instead of taking over others'??
Sounds to me as if they were the ones desecrating the service.
Haven't we been told that this stuff never happens?
I don't care what people believe or who/what they worship just as long as it does not include killing me.
They're getting a little slow. It took them 16 minutes.
"They" can read just fine.
Desecrating a desecration?
Inculturation bumpus ad summum
St. Thomas was already busy Christianizing India while Joseph of Arimathea was Christianizing Wales in the FIRST CENTURY ~ so they had at least a thousand years to work this out before Rome sought supremacy over all the more ancient Christian congregations in the far East and far West.
I would guess the rationale here is that the Roman Catholics in Tranta see an opportunity to pick off the Christians from St. Thomas mission as they get off the Boeing.
That's what you meant, right?
Pagan rites at a Catholic church? I'm shocked....shocked I say.
Must be why the Catholics, even in nearby Russia, never really figured out how to move Santa out!
I really only have one question about this whole thing...
Is Father Thomas D'Sa (Director of the National Biblical Catechetical Liturgical Centre [NBCLC] of the Indian Bishops' Conference in Bangalore, India), the unnamed "pastor" of St Ann's, and the unnamed nuns mentioned at the end of the article (still) in full Communion with Rome following this Mass?
Great! This will be plastered all over anti-Catholic websites within a matter of hours.
Besides, didn't David "dance before the Lord"?
I'm not sure I can use the word Christian in association with them, isn't that the whole conflict?
Did David dance before the Lord in the Temple? No, no record of that that I am aware of.. besides read the article. This has nothing whatsoever to do with dance.
You and I had crossed swords on an earlier Christian/Hindu thread, and I'd trust you to give a fair assessment on whether this was actually Hinduism being presented, or whether the parishoners were overreacting.
My understanding is that both Orthodox and Roman Catholic "groups" have thought it necessary to absorb Thomas' church, and this causes a lot of distress to the RC's in Goa which was formerly a Portuguese colony/trading port.
There are a lot of sites on the net that give you all sides of this "Shivaesque debate".
Still, in this particular event I fail to see the Hindu element. No one did burnt sacrifice, and there was no sharing and shaking of the wheat chaf screen for example.
No one rolled out a linga and poured milk on it either.
What we have is some small group of people who are of the impression that "dancing" in a Christian service is either hareem (forbidden), or so unusual as to quite possibly not be Christian at all!!
Oh, yeah, and the Indian ladies wore silk saris.
Oh, my Heavens~!!
Of course in numerous socities around the world it is common to wear your best clothes to church ~ that old "First Fruits" doctrine at work ~ kind of Jewish, but Christians can do that stuff too.
Presider: Fr. Thomas D’Sa
Director of the National Biblical Catechetical Liturgical Centre (CBCI) Bangalore, India.
Come participate in a celebration of the Roman Rite Liturgy of the Eucharist with adaptations from the culture of India. Join us on Sunday, July 2 at 11:00 a.m. in St. Ann Church, Toronto located at Gerard St. East and DeGrassi St. (two blocks east of the DVP). Parking is limited, but the TTC 506 streetcar stops right at the church.
If its not biblical, its not Christianity, they need to get a new name for it.
I really, really need to stay off the Catholic threads lol
For David's dancing check 2 Samuel 6 when the Ark was brought to Jerusalem. Lots of dancing there.
I don't believe any authority in any of the various Christian churches in the world has ever denied that Thomas' Christians were Christians. No doubt there are ceremonies (and some beliefs) with which they don't agree, but the fundamental legitimacy hasn't been attacked. If so, maybe you can dig it up for us.
For the record, what I had in mind were denials that Pope John Paul II received a Hindu ceremonial blessing in 1986 at an event called "The Spirit of Assisi":
The “Spirit of Assisi,” spearheaded in 1986, comprises Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Jews, Moslems, Animists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Witch Doctors, and various others gathering at the same place (usually at a Catholic church) to pray for peace. The Catholic praying to the true God, and members of false and heathen religions praying to their false gods.(text from an article published in Catholic Family News, April 2002, and reprinted with photos of the event at the website Tradition In Action)
You'd think you were immersed deep in the split-up of a Baptist or Christian church congregation.
I am informed Sikhs do the same thing, but they carry little knives and that makes the debate very nasty sometimes.
About all the RCs get to do is burn each other with candles ~
For the record, I thought it odd that the article used the word "pastor" so many times, not "priest" or "father", to refer to the head of St. Ann's. Am I wrong in thinking that "pastor" is a misuse?
I'm not denying they are Christians either, but that ceremony above looks quite odd and according to the article, there are some practices which are definitely not Christian. What is that woman doing who is elevating something in the air at the same time the priest is consecrating the bread and wine??? She's not even suppose to be on the altar at that time!
Sorry, but this kind of CRAP needs to be knocked off and knocked off FAST! All this does is bring scandal to the faith and causes disruption.
Just doing a quick search for the "official" RC definition and nowhere did I find that the priests and altar servers "stood" on the altar ~ and I see in the picture that there are other people standing in the area.
As far as holding something higher than the Host, I see what seems to be parts of an organ and at least one light that are "higher". The woman's hand seems to be holding something, but parallax probably distorts her hand's relative position.
Could be the priest is raising the host just as she and the other women sit down.
Still all looks terribly Christian to me although in my own church we've pretty well eliminated all the little ceremonial details lest we fall into the error of idolotry where we confound worship with following rules.
OH come on! You can definitely see her hands are raised up right at the same time the priest is consecrating. That's probably what the article referred to as the arati plate that was waved in circles.
Still all looks terribly Christian to me although in my own church we've pretty well eliminated all the little ceremonial details lest we fall into the error of idolotry where we confound worship with following rules.
Well, you know what happens when you don't have rules? All Hell breaks loose! Something obviously happened that wasn't quite right there to upset so many of the parishioners. I would think, that as a Catholic, you would know good and well that all concentration is suppose to be on the Eucharist during that part of the liturgy and not on some custom of India.
Read about the arati plate:
This has no business being conducted during a Catholic Mass.
Taking pleasure in another's misfortune is anything but Christian.
"They," unfortunately, would be heterodox RC clergy.
My bishop (Galeone) just excommunicated a priest here in FL for participating in a heterodox group; maybe they can clone his spine and send it out to other bishops throughout the US.
However, I don't see that they did the burnt offering, and that's the part that would clearly identify it as Hindu. In any case, the followers after St. Thomas do some things differently ~ I think everybody knows that.
Are you familiar with "Ma-Nu"? That's "Noah" if you didn't know. There's also the "Great Fish". Both play a part in fundamental Hindu theology and beliefs. Our Western religions share some roots with these guys, but without a linga at the mass, I'd have to say that what was going on was so far from your standard Hindu worship service as to not be legitimately Hindu.
Back to the lady with "whatever" in her hand ~ we'd have to go on site to see if we are being tricked by parallax. Maybe you can do that ~ see how high up you had to be to catch the other features at the angles shown here. I'm guessing a tall guy, or maybe someone standing in a pew took the picture.
Not taking any pleasure in it ~ just pointing out that it's a universal human failing to accuse the other guys of not being kosher.
om shakti, ping
Well, he can bring it on. The battle was over two thousand years ago and Jesus Christ won for all of us.
Christ has cast out the spirits that have possessed this world. What we are seeing now is merely the kicking and screaming of the last few swine as they go over the cliff.
all of the christian churches are under attack
Are you sure? If that were truly the case, it should be easy to answer post #13.
" Look, you're either in communion with Rome, or not. If not, you don't have the right to call yourself Catholic."
That's a bit broad, isn't it? The Roman Church is only one of the particular churches within the Catholic Church and I think you will find that +BXVI has been quite clear that the Orthodox Churches are quite Catholic though Rome is in schism with them. Unfortunately, syncretism seems to be spreading in the Roman Church, not only in liturgics, but also in its theology. I recently finished reading a book about modern African Roman Catholic theology. I think the name of it is "The Face of Christ in Africa" or something like that. Frankly it was more than a little scary. One of the concerns which Orthodoxy has with Rome is this syncretism which seems to have reached something of a peak since Vatican II. I know the hope of our Orthodox theologians is that +BXVI is gradually rolling it back.
Sounds like some of the laity are not happy with that idea. Of course that's never stopped Rome has it?!
Frankly, I thought we'd all end up backing the Bishop of Dublin, but ...... Well, anyway.
Yup, never gonna' find those Orthodos "syncritizing" with anybody else ~ or each other!!!
Obvious to whom? The article is frankly so hysterical that it is almost impossible to glean any facts from it, but as best I can tell, this was a Catholic mass featuring aspects of Indian culture - and it had been approved by the bishops of India. You should go to mass in Africa sometime!
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I didn't realize David was Catholic.
The "Thomas" Catholic Christians are found in the Syro Malankara Catholic Church. A few weeks ago, a visiting bishop from the Syro Malankara Catholic Church celebrated their Divine Liturgy on EWTN. There was no dancing. Women dressed in saris chanted the responses throughout the liturgy. It is one of the oldest liturgies in the Catholic Church, filled with great reverence. The entire liturgy is celebrated 'ad orientem'.
What was celebrated in St. Ann's in Toronto is a blasphemy and should be reported to Cardinal Arinze, immediately. Those involved in its preparation and celebration, should be brought to repentance or excommunicated.
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