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You Know Where To Go (to complain about liturgical dance)
Curt Jester ^ | August 17, 2006

Posted on 08/18/2006 2:40:48 PM PDT by NYer

Annunciations of a New Springtime came across a 2003 Adoramus article of Cardinal Arinze's speaking on liturgical dance that I had not seen before.

Now, some priests and lay people think that Mass is never complete without dance. The difficulty is this: we come to Mass primarily to adore God -- what we call the vertical dimension. We do not come to Mass to entertain one another. That's not the purpose of Mass. The parish hall is for that.

So all those that want to entertain us -- after Mass, let us go to the parish hall and then you can dance. And then we clap. But when we come to Mass we don't come to clap. We don't come to watch people, to admire people. We want to adore God, to thank Him, to ask Him pardon for our sins, and to ask Him for what we need.

Don't misunderstand me, because when I said this at one place somebody said to me: "you are an African bishop. You Africans are always dancing. Why do you say we don't dance?"

A moment -- we Africans are not always dancing!

Moreover, there is a difference between those who come in procession at Offertory; they bring their gifts, with joy. There is a movement of the body right and left. They bring their gifts to God. That is good, really. And some of the choir, they sing. They have a little bit of movement. Nobody is going to condemn that. And when you are going out again, a little movement, it's all right.

But when you introduce wholesale, say, a ballerina, then I want to ask you what is it all about. What exactly are you arranging? When the people finish dancing in the Mass and then when the dance group finishes and people clap -- don't you see what it means? It means we have enjoyed it. We come for enjoyment. Repeat. So, there is something wrong. Whenever the people clap -- there is something wrong -- immediately. When they clap -- a dance is done and they clap.

It is possible that there could be a dance that is so exquisite that it raises people's minds to God, and they are praying and adoring God and when the dance is finished they are still wrapped up in prayer. But is that the type of dance you have seen? You see. It is not easy.

Most dances that are staged during Mass should have been done in the parish hall. And some of them are not even suitable for the parish hall.

I saw in one place -- I will not tell you where -- where they staged a dance during Mass, and that dance was offensive. It broke the rules of moral theology and modesty. Those who arranged it -- they should have had their heads washed with a bucket of holy water!

Why make the people of God suffer so much? Haven't we enough problems already? Only Sunday, one hour, they come to adore God. And you bring a dance! Are you so poor you have nothing else to bring us? Shame on you! That's how I feel about it.

Somebody can say, "but the pope visited this county and the people danced". A moment: Did the pope arrange it? Poor Holy Father -- he comes, the people arranged. He does not know what they arranged. And somebody introduces something funny -- is the pope responsible for that? Does that mean it is now approved? Did they put in on the table of the Congregation for Divine Worship? We would throw it out! If people want to dance, they know where to go.

Somebody needs to start a Cardinal Arinze Fan Club blog. He always provides a wealth of great commentary and common sense on the liturgy.


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Francis Cardinal Arinze
1 posted on 08/18/2006 2:40:50 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Gotta love him!


2 posted on 08/18/2006 2:41:29 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
For what? Since it's customary in so many parts of Africa for dance to be entertwined with sex, he probably doesn't imagine dance could have to with anything but sex.

Dervishes manage to have dance without sex, and not all the Hindu dances have to do with Shiva's journey through history.

Gad, whatever has become of the RCs, have they all gone over to the Seventh Day Baptists or what?

3 posted on 08/18/2006 2:44:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
If you have ever had to sit through liturgical dance, you would agree 100% with the Cardinal. It is distracting, the costumes are often inappropriate, and it does nothing to enhance one's thoughts of God. Instead, your thoughts are "Why is that woman wearing that too-tight top?" or "This looks like 'One Grecian Urn" from 'The Music Man'" or "When will this be over?"

I also find skits, clowns, and folk-music masses to be inappropriate. I am a Catholic convert and suffered through many "performances" in Protestant worship services, and they are simply entertainment.

I support the Cardinal, and am glad to hear that someone is speaking out about it. My sister's parish had a FLAMENCO MASS. Can you imagine that, with all of the shouting and hand-clapping?

4 posted on 08/18/2006 2:59:19 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: muawiyah
I don't understand your comment. Are you saying we shouldn't applaud Cardinal Arinze's instructions on liturgical dance?

Or are you saying he's ignorant of African dance and its role in liturgy? What was the point about sex? And what do you mean about all Catholics gone Protestant?

5 posted on 08/18/2006 3:06:55 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Miss Marple
Did they do that on Saturday afternoon?

You can find the schedule for the church down the street at: http://www.stbernpar.org/

Most Catholics I know attend SATURDAY and avoid the Sunday situation as best they can.

And this crowd is pretty conservative.

6 posted on 08/18/2006 3:12:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NYer
re: liturgical dancing
Cardinal Mahony thinks it's just swell!


7 posted on 08/18/2006 3:17:45 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Carolina
You really have to learn how to read allegorically. Until then I will therefore 'splain it for you.

Some Protestant groups are renowned for avoiding dance, both at church (Heaven forbid) and in private! These are the guys who really do sit on the floor when the music plays. BTW, many of them disagree with the idea of having musical instruments in church ~ too distracting, interferes with prayerful introspection, not truly a spiritual sort of thing, etc. To a degree they comprise the same group who objected to drums on stage at the Grand Ol' Opry. (You are not alone, although your allies would probably never enter an RC church even on a dare).

I've simply noticed that in our threads involving dance and church we are getting a preponderance of RCs giving the sort of comments I would usually expect out of the most conservative of Protestant groups.

Maybe what's going on is you have a group in the hierarchy who are pushing dance even in the face of no apparant demand for it.

The former Coca Cola executives who pushed "New Coke" could probably give us some insight into that error.

8 posted on 08/18/2006 3:20:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Miss Marple
If you have ever had to sit through liturgical dance, you would agree 100% with the Cardinal. It is distracting, the costumes are often inappropriate, and it does nothing to enhance one's thoughts of God. Instead, your thoughts are "Why is that woman wearing that too-tight top?" or "This looks like 'One Grecian Urn" from 'The Music Man'" or "When will this be over?"
I also find skits, clowns, and folk-music masses to be inappropriate. I am a Catholic convert and suffered through many "performances" in Protestant worship services, and they are simply entertainment.
I support the Cardinal, and am glad to hear that someone is speaking out about it. My sister's parish had a FLAMENCO MASS. Can you imagine that, with all of the shouting and hand-clapping?

For a couple of years our parish had a half dozen prepubescent girls go up to the communion rail area, dressed to the nines, spread themselves across the front of the church and be the "sign language" singers for a couple of songs.

I felt the same way about that as I do about all this other liturgical invention.


9 posted on 08/18/2006 3:21:01 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: NYer

I said it before and I'll say it again...liturgical dance is neither!


10 posted on 08/18/2006 3:39:09 PM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: starfish923; muawiyah
Pentecostals think dance is sinful. That is not my point, nor my opinion.

I think dance is inappropriate for the Mass. It is distracting, as would be jokes, mimes, acrobats, performing monkeys, or hurdy-gurdy music.

These things are not sinful, but they are not reverent.

11 posted on 08/18/2006 3:40:06 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: muawiyah
To a degree they comprise the same group who objected to drums on stage at the Grand Ol' Opry. (You are not alone, although your allies would probably never enter an RC church even on a dare).

Huh? Something got lost in the translation.

12 posted on 08/18/2006 3:47:37 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Miss Marple
I also find skits, clowns, and folk-music masses to be inappropriate.

Don't forget those Flamenco Masses!

13 posted on 08/18/2006 4:07:29 PM PDT by NYer
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To: starfish923
For a couple of years our parish had a half dozen prepubescent girls go up to the communion rail area, dressed to the nines, spread themselves across the front of the church and be the "sign language" singers for a couple of songs.

Has it stopped? If not, you may contact Cardinal Arinze. He is keeping tabs on these abuses.

14 posted on 08/18/2006 4:10:24 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Miss Marple

Oh c'mon what do you have against the hurdy gurdy?!?!

j/k


15 posted on 08/18/2006 4:13:32 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Deo volente

" Cardinal Mahony thinks it's just swell!"

He is a disgrace.
I feel very sorry for those in his diocese.


16 posted on 08/18/2006 4:14:21 PM PDT by rogator
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To: Straight Vermonter; Miss Marple
Now nothing is wrong with a hurdy-gurdy . . . (I mean a real one, not an street organ as in organ-grinder's monkey.) It's a stringed instrument with a waxed wheel that vibrates the strings when you turn a handle.

It's actually very useful in church when you need a drone line. An Advent Processional setting of "O Come O Come Emmanuel" that we did in our old (ECUSA) parish actually calls for a hurdy-gurdy (as well as finger cymbals, handbells, and a bodhran). My husband played the hurdy-gurdy.

It actually sounded neat (very medieval) and was perfectly respectful.

17 posted on 08/18/2006 4:57:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I am unfamiliar with the instrument you are describing. I was, of course, referring to the organ-grinder's instrument. (Needless to say, I am not a musician.)


18 posted on 08/18/2006 5:08:17 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: mrs. a; NYer
Liturgical dance is a favorite pet peeve of mine. I'm a sometime folk dancer (former competitive dancer) and daughter of a professional contemporary dancer and choreographer.

I know what dancers are supposed to look like, and these "liturgical dancers" aren't it!

The problem with these folks is that they could never get a real gig. They not only aren't good enough, they aren't even within shouting distance of good. So they go to church and inflict their horrible travesties on folks there . . . mostly because the sillies who let them do it don't know anything about dance.

Of course, it's also not appropriate for Mass . . . but the icing on the cake for me is that it would be awful wherever it happened to be.

19 posted on 08/18/2006 5:10:33 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Miss Marple
Here's a diagram!

Some of them look like little lutes . . . others are just a box shape with strings inside.

The one my husband played at church is the box type. Believe our choirmaster made it from a kit.

Here is some music, a 15th century Italian dance, with a hurdy-gurdy providing the steady background buzzing note . . . pretty typical! (It does keep everybody on pitch.)

20 posted on 08/18/2006 5:23:37 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

"So they go to church and inflict their horrible travesties on folks there . ."

Not on this folk.
I told, in writing, my modernist pastor of three years ago that if he ever again had a dancer at Mass that my family would immediately walk right out the center aisle of church - and take our contributions with us.
I also said I was recommending my friends do likewise.
The first dancing episode was also the last.


21 posted on 08/18/2006 5:27:46 PM PDT by rogator
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To: rogator
I pretty much told our former ECUSA pastor the same thing . . . and I hit him where he lived when I told him not only was it inappropriate, the poor woman couldn't dance for beans. Since he didn't know anything about dance, he couldn't very well contradict me.

We never saw another one in the time I was there. Good riddance.

22 posted on 08/18/2006 5:43:52 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: rogator

I don't believe our current very orthodox Catholic parish would allow post-menopausal biddies in tights and leotards into the sanctuary . . . or any other kind of dancer for that matter.


23 posted on 08/18/2006 5:44:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Carolina
Not in the "translation" ~ the "cultural background". Certainly you must be aware of the dispute that flamed at Grand Ol' Opry for several decades concerning bringing drums on stage.

Traditional country music didn't have drums. Modern music did. Miss Minnie Pearl led the opposition.

DOn't tell me RCs don't listen to CM.

24 posted on 08/18/2006 5:49:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Miss Marple
BTW, ALL Pentecostals don't think dance is sinful. Most of them, in fact, clearly allow free-form dance during services.

On the other hand I think they continue to discourage pube to pube events, in general.

The groups I was thinking of are mostly "fundamentalist", not "Pentecostal". Besides, there are Catholic Pentecostals (who seem to have begun practicing in secret ~ at least the ones I know aren't publicising it as much now as they did 20 years ago).

25 posted on 08/18/2006 5:55:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

No, I don't listen to country music. Sorry. Thanks for explaining the drum controversy. I had no idea.


26 posted on 08/18/2006 6:08:05 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina
The "Mountain South" is definitely a study in itself.

America is definitely a strange place once you get outside of town.

27 posted on 08/18/2006 6:12:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL, I never considered that point of view! Good point. Your perspective also applies sometimes to the so-called "music ministry". These people can't sing their way out of a paper bag, they choose songs (not hymns) that are inappropriate and occasionally even heretical, and they seem to forget the Mass is not a concert for the greater glory of themselves.


28 posted on 08/18/2006 6:55:35 PM PDT by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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To: Miss Marple; AnAmericanMother

If it didn't come through in my original post I was just trying to be funny.


29 posted on 08/18/2006 7:31:42 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Deo volente
heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, nausea, or diarrhea,

Bepto Pismol!!!

30 posted on 08/18/2006 7:56:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
Well, then, but what about Psalm 150:

1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

31 posted on 08/18/2006 8:02:53 PM PDT by RonF
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To: NYer

We're men, we're men in tights
We roam around the forest looking for fights
We're men, We're men in tights
We rob from the rich and give to the poor, that's right
We may look like sissies
But watch what you say, or else we'll put out your lights
We're men, we're men in tights
Always on guard defending the people's rights

La, la, la, ....etc

We're men, manly men, we're men in tights Yeah!
We roam around the forest looking for fights
We're men, we're men in tights
We rob from the rich and give to the poor, that's right
We may look like pansies
But don't get us wrong, or else we'll put out your lights
We're men, we're men in tights, tight tights
Always on guard defending the people's rights
When you're in a fix, call for the men in tights
We're Butch!!


32 posted on 08/18/2006 8:09:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: NYer
The fundamental problem surrounding liturgical dance, speaking in tongues, holy laughter, and all the other nonsense that the Charismatic movement has been spreading is that Charismatics know no authority other than their own emotions. Neither pope, nor pastor, nor scripture will sway them from an opinion if that opinion is felt to be a spiritual one.

The only problem is that Christianity is a faith of externally revealed divine truth, not internally discovered divinity...and Charismaticism is therefore incompatible with it.
33 posted on 08/18/2006 10:20:58 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Miss Marple
It is distracting, as would be... performing monkeys...

For goodness sakes, don't give them any ideas!

34 posted on 08/19/2006 12:26:24 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: NYer
When the people finish dancing in the Mass and then when the dance group finishes and people clap -- don't you see what it means? It means we have enjoyed it.

Or maybe it means that the congregation are just immensely relieved that it's over and they don't have to pretend to enjoy that silliness anymore.

I've been through some bad times in churches, but thank God, I never had DANCE inflicted on me...

35 posted on 08/19/2006 3:25:33 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: RonF
Psalm 149

1 Sing ye to the Lord a new canticle: let his praise be in the church of the saints. 2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: and let the children of Sion be joyful in their king. 3 Let them praise his name in choir: let them sing to him with the timbrel and the psaltery. 4 For the Lord is well pleased with his people: and he will exalt the meek unto salvation. 5 The saints shall rejoice in glory: they shall be joyful in their beds.

6 The high praise of God shall be in their mouth: and two-edged swords in their hands: 7 To execute vengeance upon the nations, chastisements among the people: 8 To bind their kings with fetters, and their nobles with manacles of iron. 9 To execute upon them the judgment that is written: this glory is to all his saints. Alleluia.

Psalm 150

Praise ye the Lord in his holy places: praise ye him in the firmament of his power. 2 Praise ye him for his mighty acts: praise ye him according to the multitude of his greatness. 3 Praise him with sound of trumpet: praise him with psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with timbrel and choir: praise him with strings and organs. 5 Praise him on high sounding cymbals: praise him on cymbals of joy: let every spirit praise the Lord. Alleluia.

*These psalms are not prescriptive for Liturgy. They are descriptive of what ALL creatures must do - praise God. WE do that.

Furthermore,the "new song" is a celebration of the triumph of God over gentile nations.THe Christian counterpart is...Apoc 5:9 And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.

*Y'all are free to do what you want to Praise God. We Christians base our Mass upon the Holy Sacrifice of the New Covenant re-presented at every Mass...

36 posted on 08/19/2006 4:11:28 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: xzins
We're men, manly men, we're men in tights Yeah!


Jesuit Father Saju George

37 posted on 08/19/2006 5:08:15 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Miss Marple
Pentecostals think dance is sinful. That is not my point, nor my opinion.
I think dance is inappropriate for the Mass. It is distracting, as would be jokes, mimes, acrobats, performing monkeys, or hurdy-gurdy music.
These things are not sinful, but they are not reverent.

Very true.

Certain music is in appropriate too.

38 posted on 08/19/2006 5:33:28 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: NYer
Has it stopped? If not, you may contact Cardinal Arinze. He is keeping tabs on these abuses.

Yes, as a matter of fact, it has. It was only at one Mass. The last few times I went, they were gone.
But thanks for the heads-up. I will keep him in mind.

39 posted on 08/19/2006 5:35:00 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: NYer
THAT is a Jesuit Father?

He looks like he's in drag as an Orissa temple dancer . . .

Wow have the Black Robes fallen far . ..

40 posted on 08/19/2006 6:32:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
THAT is a Jesuit Father?

Here's another .....


Jesuit Fr. VerEecke

As one might expect from someone who has devoted the past twenty years of his life to performing and teaching dance, Father Robert VerEecke, SJ, is fervent about its benefits. With a Master's degree in Dance and Liturgy from Lesley College, and another in Divinity from the Weston Jesuit School of Theology, the priest serves as Artistic Director of the Boston Liturgical Dance Ensemble at Boston College, Artist in Residence at the same institution, and pastor of St. Francis Xavier Church in Boston.

Dance - but not in the liturgy,

41 posted on 08/19/2006 6:43:21 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Seems from the linked article that he's trying to stay within the letter of the law, but he's not happy about it.

A little aside here to demonstrate my earlier statement that the fools can't dance.

Fr. VerEecke is holding a good, solid posture with tension through the shoulder girdle and the trapezius muscles, out into the base of the palm. He's obviously a trained dancer.

Now look at the four idiots behind him trying to imitate him. They (more or less) have their hands in the general area, but they haven't ANY idea of the underlying structure or tension (which is what dance IS, not where your hands happen to be located in space.)

Second woman from the right had 2-3 years of ballet as a child, but it didn't sink in properly. She thinks if she tilts her head like a ballerina, it will make it all o.k. The expression of the woman on the right is priceless . . . if she just screws her mouth up tighter, she'll get it right . . .

This stuff really hurts . . . like hearing musicians sing off key.

42 posted on 08/19/2006 6:50:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NYer
Hey, I'm a CONSERVATIVE Protestant. I'm not a prude. I don't think dance itself is sinful. But if someone started doing that dancing stuff in the front of my church I'd grab the kids and nudge the missus and walk down the middle aisle of that church faster than you can say fruitcake.

Hooray for this Cardinal. I might not agree with him much about RC theology, but I agree with him that worship is where God's people focus on GOD. If there's clapping for anyone, it's wrong.

43 posted on 08/19/2006 7:00:25 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Old_Mil
It is? Could have fooled 'em on the Day of Pentecost.

The "standard argument" used by non-Pentecostal Protestants to deal with the issue is to claim that "the day of prophecy is closed as is the time of miracles".

You'll notice that tosses the burden of defending the practice back to the Pentecostals.

44 posted on 08/19/2006 2:50:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bornacatholic
And all of that is OK, but thanks for pointing to "they shall be joyful in their beds" which suggests that the apocryphal "Church of St. Mattress" may well have been a joke shared by God Himself.
45 posted on 08/19/2006 2:53:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
And all of that is OK, but thanks for pointing to "they shall be joyful in their beds" which suggests that the apocryphal "Church of St. Mattress" may well have been a joke shared by God Himself.

Bedsheet evangelism by a married couple is church growth the good old-fashioned natural way!

46 posted on 08/19/2006 5:38:15 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: starfish923
For a couple of years our parish had a half dozen prepubescent girls go up to the communion rail area, dressed to the nines, spread themselves across the front of the church and be the "sign language" singers for a couple of songs.

How awful. You still have communion rails? That's so pre-Vatican II. (just kidding, of course!)

47 posted on 08/21/2006 6:46:43 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: Armando Guerra
How awful. You still have communion rails? That's so pre-Vatican II. (just kidding, of course!)

My error.
We don't have the rails any more. I should have written "the former communion rail area."

I went to Mass in Marianplatz, in Munich this year.
The BIG church, the one all the tourists go to, the Frauenkirch, was innaccessible because of a giant race-run (10k) being put on by the city. So, I went to a smaller but equally gorgeous church right off this main plaza in old town Munich. This was the day after Germany beat Argentina in the World Cup this past June.

Anyway, the priest faced away from the congregation, as in the old days, and there still was a communion rail.
Some people knelt at the rail, some stood. Some received communion by mouth, some by hand.

I also went to Mass at St. Peter's in Rome, at the chapel of St. John, which is in the left hand apse of the bascilica. The masses are held on the hour, every hour.
The priest faced AWAY from the congregation but there was no communion rail. We all stood in line, just like here.

Sidenote: the entire RIGHT hand apse of St. Peter's is dedicated to confession. There was a barrier and a guard who let people in that area only for confession. I had never been to confession at St. Peter's so I went in. Why not? I was 50 feet from the bones of Peter himself.
Anyway, there were about two dozen confessionals, all in different languages. NO ONE was in there but me. The rest of the bascilica had 10 zillion people milling around and I was ALL ALONE in that enormous apse.
I asked where the English confessional was. The confessionals had the language listed on them. My old priest's languages were CHINESE, English and Polish. Harhar.
After confession I felt very moved. I realized that I could now STAY in the apse and say penance and walk around the area ALL BY MYSELF.
Then I went to Mass across the way at St. John's chapel.
What a moving morning for me. I felt very lucky, very blessed.

48 posted on 08/21/2006 7:00:59 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: starfish923
Sound's wonderful. I did not know about the confessional, though wish I had. I enjoyed St. Peter's and was very moved by the Pieta.

Sorry to hear the communion rails in your church were removed. Amazingly, the rails remain in our cathedral although I am sure the Bishop would love to see them go (he already wanted to rip out the tabernacle, pews and re-orient the church - Lynch btw). Luckily, that has not been done but the threat remains. I still hope for the communion rails to make a come back. I remember being an alterboy walking behind the priest with the paten to hold under the chins as communion was given on the tongue. I would prefer it still be done that way.

49 posted on 08/21/2006 7:15:30 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: NYer
How does that old Abba song go....

"........and when you get the chance.....you are a dancing queen......"

My first thoughts on seeing that Nureyev wannabee, Fr. George.

50 posted on 08/21/2006 7:23:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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