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Mohammed's Koran -- Jesus' New Testament

Posted on 08/20/2006 2:57:35 PM PDT by Meletus

Mohammed’s Koran

2:190-191 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight and persecute you, but commit no aggression ... and slay them when and where you get the better of them”

2:193 “Fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah.”

2:216 “Fighting has been ordained for you.”

2:244 “Fight in the cause of Allah.”

3:12 “Say to those who disbelieve, “You shall soon be overcome and gathered together to be driven towards hell.”

3:32: “Allah does not love the disbelievers.”

3:141 “And ... Allah will wipe off the disbelievers gradually.”

3:148 “Lord grant us victory over the disbelieving people.”

3:151-152 “We shall certainly strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. .. and certainly Allah had made good his promise to you when you were slaying them to pieces by his permission.”

4:74 “Let those who would prefer the hereafter to the present life, fight in the cause of Allah.”

4:76 “Fight against the friends of satan.”

4:77 “Fighting has been made binding”

4:84 “Urge on the faithful to fight.”

4:89 “If they turn back, then capture them and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take anyone of them as a friend or as a helper.”

4:91 “it is these [unbelievers] against whom we have given absolute authority.”

4:95 “Allah has indeed granted eminence to those who strive in his cause over those who stay at home.”

4:104 “Do not be slack in pursuing these disbelieving people.”

5:33 “The only recompense of those who make war against Allah and his messenger and who strive hard to create disorder in the land, is that they be executed or crucified to death, or that their hands or feet be cut off, or they be exiled.”

5:38 “As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands.”

8:12-13 “I will indeed strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So smite on your enemy’s necks and above these on their heads and strike off all their fingertips. This punishment is given them because they opposed Allah and his Messenger, and whosoever opposes Allah, for him, Allah is severe in punishment.”

8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, ...

8:66 if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand.

8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.

8:74 Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous.

9:5 slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush

9:12-14 But if they ... taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: ... that thus they may be restrained. What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first... . fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them

9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth

9:73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.

9:86 When a chapter is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask thee for exemption, and say: “Leave us (behind): we would be with those who sit (at home).” ... 88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives.

9:123 O ye who believe! fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

13:41 See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders?

15:4 Never did we destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand. 5 No people can hasten on their doom nor can they postpone (it).

Jesus’ New Testament

Matthew 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

1 Peter 3:9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing.

Matthew 5:43-45 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;

1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all.

1 Peter 2:20-23 For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God’s approval. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten; but he trusted to him who judges justly.

Luke 6:27-29 “But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt.

Romans 12:17-21 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” No, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes.

Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.

1 Corinthians 4:12 and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure;

2 Corinthians 12:10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

2 Timothy 3:12 Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

Mark 11:25 And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against any one; so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”

Luke 23:34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Matthew 26:51-52 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, …he knelt down and cried with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.”

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingship is not of this world; if my kingship were of this world, my servants would fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews; but my kingship is not from the world.”

1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of the faith; ….

2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.



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SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
1 posted on 08/20/2006 2:57:36 PM PDT by Meletus
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To: Meletus

Thank you.


2 posted on 08/20/2006 2:58:27 PM PDT by Alex1977
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To: Meletus

It is also worth noting that when the "angel" visited Mohammed, Mohammed was afraid and remained that way. In the Bible, whenever anyone was visited by an angel of the Lord (Joseph, Mary, etc.), the very first thing the angel did was to assure them that there was nothing to fear and they were calmed. This would seem to indicate that whatever spirit visited Mohammed was satan or one of his demons, it WAS not an angel of the Lord.


3 posted on 08/20/2006 3:02:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Meletus

Active vs. passive = slaughter


4 posted on 08/20/2006 3:04:13 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Meletus

Committing 'Mohammacide' is part of the Muslim religion. There cannot be peace and Islam at the same time.


5 posted on 08/20/2006 3:04:53 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Meletus

As has been oft said ...

Everything I need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11, 2001.

Mohammed: Piss be upon him.


6 posted on 08/20/2006 3:06:02 PM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: Meletus

As has often been written, the problem is not Islamic Fascism but Islam itself. based on the above passages from the Koran, I believe the fundamentalists are the ones who are correctly interpreting it.


7 posted on 08/20/2006 3:06:50 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: LittleChristianRepublican

Ping


8 posted on 08/20/2006 3:07:45 PM PDT by magslinger (If at first you don't succeed, squeeze, squeeze again.)
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To: Meletus

Wow! Nice to have them both laid out side by side like that!


9 posted on 08/20/2006 3:07:49 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Meletus
But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;

I'm all out of cheeks. Now let's go kick some ass.

L

10 posted on 08/20/2006 3:08:04 PM PDT by Lurker (I support Israel without reservation. Hizbollah must be destroyed to the last man.)
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To: Meletus
No wonder muslims were among Hitler's biggest supporters in the 30's and 40's.
12 posted on 08/20/2006 3:08:37 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Meletus
It's In The Koran
13 posted on 08/20/2006 3:09:01 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Meletus

I would say the pro facist media of the west has declared war on the wrong religon. The funny thing is they believe in the end the Muslim facists will leave them alone because "they are above the fray."


14 posted on 08/20/2006 3:09:53 PM PDT by Go Army.com (A slight modification of the story, bringing out the facts)
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To: Meletus
---Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;--

--yeah--practise that with Islam and you are dead---

15 posted on 08/20/2006 3:10:22 PM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Lurker

I'm with you, L.

But I think we still need Pearl Harbor to happen if we expect much company. 911 apparently wasn't enough for some people who still deny that this is a religious war.


16 posted on 08/20/2006 3:10:42 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: Meletus

Devil worshippers!


17 posted on 08/20/2006 3:10:50 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Meletus

bookmark


18 posted on 08/20/2006 3:11:20 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Meletus
Thank you for this presentation.
19 posted on 08/20/2006 3:11:42 PM PDT by buck61
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To: Meletus
Numbers 22:21-35

I'll paraphrase........If your ass won't move they may be an angel in the way

20 posted on 08/20/2006 3:12:23 PM PDT by badpacifist (Democrats......deers caught in the headlights of terrorism.)
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To: wagglebee

Real Prophets climb mountains to be closer to God. They don't crawl into holes to hear the hissings of the Serpent.


21 posted on 08/20/2006 3:12:41 PM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: wagglebee
The Koran has one prophesy, that Mohammed will return to Mecca. Not that much of a biggie in the big scheme of things. The Bible, on the other hand, contains many thousands of prophecies. Nearly one-third of the Bible is directly or indirectly related to prophecy.
22 posted on 08/20/2006 3:13:35 PM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: Meletus

Stop your intolerance of the religion of peace! /sarcasm off


23 posted on 08/20/2006 3:14:20 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: Meletus

Bookmark.


24 posted on 08/20/2006 3:14:53 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: wagglebee
This would seem to indicate that whatever spirit visited Mohammed was satan or one of his demons, it WAS not an angel of the Lord.

I'll go a step farther...the more I see and learn of this wicked religion, I'm not sure that Mohammad was not Satan himself incarnate.

25 posted on 08/20/2006 3:18:56 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: wagglebee

Indeed Mohammed's first impression was that this apparition was a demon or a geni.

It was his wife who convinced him otherwise and this took her a considerable amount of time to do.


26 posted on 08/20/2006 3:19:20 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: Meletus

Excellent post, Meletus. And we all should probably remember Mother Teresa's words "Everything begins with prayer."


27 posted on 08/20/2006 3:19:36 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: stm
The Koran has one prophesy, that Mohammed will return to Mecca.

To paraphase another FReeper:

We will find out sooner or later
if Mohammad will return to a smoking crater...

28 posted on 08/20/2006 3:21:45 PM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: msm1th
Islam is basically a xerox of Judaism.

False.

Nowhere in the OT does it say to carry out war forever, or until all people are subjugated. It was always with a specific goal in mind, then it would stop.

31 posted on 08/20/2006 3:27:41 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: msm1th

You said, "and yet... is the Torah any less violent?"

I don't accept that comparison--although it is obvious Mohammed liked the OT better than the NT.


32 posted on 08/20/2006 3:28:02 PM PDT by Meletus
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To: rellimpank
Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;--"

yeah--practise that with Islam and you are dead---

Absolutely!

Turn your other cheek and you have just made it easier for them to carry out verse 47:4 of their Koran...

When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly."

33 posted on 08/20/2006 3:28:38 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: rellimpank

"if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;--" Then if he strikes you again, kick him in the gonads. BBTD 8:20


34 posted on 08/20/2006 3:30:28 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (If Bin Laden kidnapped Jimmy Carter, would you care?)
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To: Meletus
You should read a book called "War as I knew it" by Gen. George Patton. It`s a book based on his diaries and published a year after his death in 1945 (or as some may say, a year after he was called home by the Lord after fulfilling his destiny.)

In one of the first entries of the book, he writes from North Africa Nov 2, 1942:

"This mess is the best I have ever seen. I fear I shall get fat. I take lots of excersice each morning, including chinning myself and running in place four hundred and eighty steps (one quarter mile) in my cabin. In the morning, at battle stations, we put on rubber belts and tin hats, but as my battle station is my cabin, I don`t have to hurry. Then I go up on the flag bridge till it gets light and then have breakfast. Just finished reading the Koran - a good book and interesting.

Have been giving everyone a simplified directive of war. Use steamroller strategy; That is, make up your mind on course and direction of action, and stick to it. But in tactics, do not steamroller. Attack the weakness. Hold them by the nose and kick them by the pants."

Do you know why he admired the Koran? Because the Koran is a book of combat.

36 posted on 08/20/2006 3:32:43 PM PDT by Screamname (Batman and Godzilla : When will they fight?)
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To: top 2 toe red

"Turn the other cheek"

The NT does not teach the spread of the gospel by means of violence. But I don't think it is wholly passivist (Rom 13:1-7; Acts 25:11). Jesus' teachings were addressed primarily at a personal relationship level. The use of duly authorized police and military in a defensive sense are approved (Luke 3:14).


37 posted on 08/20/2006 3:35:39 PM PDT by Meletus
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To: wagglebee
It is also worth noting that when the "angel" visited Mohammed, Mohammed was afraid .....

Franklin Graham said it first and best: Allah is not the God of Moses since Allah had no son......

The good news is that Islam doesn't control earth's strategic real estate and never will. Neutralizing Islams big cheese imams will neutralize their entire population. It is the glorious plan of the chicoms to rule the remnant after we blow ourselves to kingdom come.

39 posted on 08/20/2006 3:38:47 PM PDT by x_plus_one (No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public)
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To: South40

"It's in the Koran"

That's great!


40 posted on 08/20/2006 3:42:16 PM PDT by Meletus
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To: F15Eagle

All that just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy...


41 posted on 08/20/2006 3:45:53 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: Meletus

Yeah, different language, different time, different conditions, different idiomatic expressions. Best to leave the deconstructing to the German team unlocking what the Koran really says by reading it in its original language of Syriac-Aramaic.


43 posted on 08/20/2006 3:53:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: F15Eagle

The Seventh Imam!!!! The Twelvers are totally wrong.


45 posted on 08/20/2006 4:00:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Meletus; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
In case you may have missed this, I am reposting a link to a fascinating article written by a German professor. Like anyone who has ever struggled to understand the origin of the incomprehensible, this professor set out to study the original language of the Koran, much like serious students study the original languages of the Bible - Koine Greek, Aramaic, etc.

Do not be mislead by the title of this article!

Read it through! A German scholar of ancient languages takes a new look at the sacred book of Islam. He maintains that it was created by Syro-Aramaic speaking Christians, in order to evangelize the Arabs. And he translates it in a new way. The author of the most important book on the subject - a German professor of ancient Semitic and Arabic languages - preferred, out of prudence, to write under the pseudonym of Christoph Luxenberg. A few years ago, one of his colleagues at the University of Nablus in Palestine, Suliman Bashear, was thrown out of the window by his scandalized Muslim students. That alone should indicate that he was on the path to resolving the 'incomprehensible'. Here it is:

The Virgins and the Grapes: the Christian Origins of the Koran

47 posted on 08/20/2006 4:06:33 PM PDT by NYer
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I think that is just a myth because of Bradleys first name... I remember reading that Bradleys family was English Christian, but I could be wrong. The point I was trying to make was the Koran was admired by Patton (or Bradley) because it is basically a book of brutal combat techniques and philosophies. "Attack the weakness" is exactly what Muslims do today, and something Patton took from the Koran.

What the civilized word has to realize is we are not dealing with a religion in the traditional sense, but with a military doctrine that uses different military techniques, philosophy and psychology quite effectively that is different from our own. They got their soldiers willing to blow themselves up on the scale that makes the Japanese Kamikazes from WW2 look like amateurs. How do we deal with that? Well in WW2 we made the Japanese Emperor human. The same has to happen here in Islam. Islam cannot exist in todays world, it is not a religion of peace, it is a fanatical military ideology that may have been usueful in the middle ages, but in todays world it is getting loads of people killed.


48 posted on 08/20/2006 4:14:51 PM PDT by Screamname (Batman and Godzilla : When will they fight?)
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To: stm
The Koran has one prophesy, that Mohammed will return to Mecca.

And if Mecca was destroyed and made uninhabitable due to nuclear winter?

50 posted on 08/20/2006 4:16:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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