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HARRY POTTER: ENEMY OF GOD
Harry Potter and the Paganization of Children's Culture
Rome's Chief Exorcist Warns Parents Against Harry Potter

Vatican exorcist Amorth speaks on Satan's smoke
Fr. Gabriel Amorth on the Reform of the Rite of Exorcism

An Interview With Fr Gabriele Amorth - The Church's Leading Exorcist
Interview With Fr Gabriele Amorth: an exorcist in the diocese of Rome

Italian Exorcists Dispel Misconceptions


1 posted on 09/01/2006 6:48:32 PM PDT by Coleus
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2 posted on 09/01/2006 6:48:52 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, geese, algae)
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I think he's right. Sorcery and magic are strictly forbidden by God, and here is a kid-wizard with a strange mark on his forehead casting spells and making incantations with a magic wand. Kids love it, parents are tricked into thinking its harmless. It's a starting point into progressively evil things. It's like drugs. Start with cigarettes, than weed, than a little coke, next thing you know it's a heroine addiction and a life ruined. People I work with think I'm nuts, but its true.
6 posted on 09/01/2006 8:19:38 PM PDT by conservatative strategery
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To: Coleus

I have always been uncomfortable with the more occultic elements of HP. The stories themselves are very entertaining and compelling, which is what attracts both children and adults alike. However, I agree with those who say that the stories have grown increasingly dark.

Many people also disagree with me, so I can relate to the poster above. One of my managers at the office where I work is also a Minister, who pastors a small church and preaches every Sunday. We speak often, and one day I described to him the closing scene of the most recent HP movie, where Harry is transported from the maze he has been competing in, to a location where Voldmort is waiting. Voldmort then procedes to perform a spell, using HP's blood as a part of the spell, which returns him from his vaporous state to his former corporal body.

When I described the details of the spell, as protrayed in the movie, the person I was speaking with was amazed. He had dealt with satanic cults when he was younger, he said, and he claimed that the spell I described from the movie is identical to a REAL, and very nasty, spell that satanists use.

I don't know for sure if this is true, as I have never hung out with satanic cultists before. However, if true, it begs the question - why the accuracy?? Rowling has said in several interviews that the magic in her HP novels is not "real", that everything is "made up". Then why the surprising "accuracy" in the portrayal of one of the darkest spells shown in the movie (and books) to date??

In addition, at one time I was myself was doing some googling on HP, and came across a wicca site that was set up by people who practice witchcraft, and were using the site as a discussion formum. These wiccans were discussing the HP novels in general, and they were very complimentary of Rowling. They said that she "got her magic right", and that it was all very "accurate".

So, I am not sure what to make of Rowling's claim that she simply "makes up" the maic in her novels. As a result, I think the Father Amorth makes some valid points. For all of these reasons, I maintain that these novels are not for children, and I would not let my kids read them.

FWIW


7 posted on 09/01/2006 8:51:22 PM PDT by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
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To: Coleus

First off, there is not such thing as the position of the "Vatican's Chief Exorcist. As Jimmy Akin states

"There is no "chief exorcist" position at the Vatican. Fr. Amorth is a priest of the Diocese of Rome who happens to be one of a number of exorcists there. He is the most well-known and prominent of them, but this does not give him the position of "chief exorcist of the Vatican.""

As Jimmy also notes:

The fact is that Fr. Amorth is an individual given to making sweeping statements that are not firmly grounded and that are subject to a credulous mindset that is too ready to see possession (full-blown or not).

How else can one explain his claim--in his book An Exorcist Tells His Story--to have performed thirty THOUSAND exorcisms in a nine year period? That's nine exorcisms PER DAY for nine years--Sundays included!

If this claim is remotely accurate then the man is a walking exorcism factory.

It is simply impossible to reconcile this claim with the Church's requirements for the performance of exorcisms, which include (among other things) diligent evaluation of the individuals to be exorcised to determine that they are not simply suffering from psychological illness.

One more recent report indicates that the number of exorcisms he has performed had risen to 50,000 as of 2001.

It is therefore very difficult to place much weight in claims made by Fr. Amorth on such matters.


8 posted on 09/01/2006 8:59:19 PM PDT by Atheist2Theist (http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/)
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