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To: Petrosius
Again, for the moment I do not want to address whether this opinion was valid, nor what the further attributes of this office are, only that this was the belief of the Western church

Based on the Councils, there was no mention of any of that. Whether the Church in the West believed all that is unknown to me. But I am pretty sure the rest of the Church did not, individual Fathers notwithstanding.

134 posted on 09/12/2006 9:06:47 AM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Based on the Councils, there was no mention of any of that.

I tried to seperate the various elements of the Petrine doctrine. At least part of it was indeed mentioned at Ephesus:

No one doubts, but rather it has been known to all generations, that the holy and most blessed Peter, chief and head of the Apostles, the pillar of the faith, the foundation stone of the Catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that the power of binding and loosing sins was given to him, who up to this moment and always lives in his successors, and judges.
I am not implying that the fullness of the Petrine doctrine is included here, but it does include:

1. Peter was chief and head of the Apostles;

2. received a unique office through the granting of the keys;

3. this Petrine office continues in his successors.

Whether the Church in the West believed all that is unknown to me.

Do I have to list all the quotes that demonstrate this? We have covered this ground before. Again, I am not here saying that the entire Church accepted this, but is was generally accepted in the West.

But I am pretty sure the rest of the Church did not, individual Fathers notwithstanding.

I am not here claiming that it did; only that it was generally held in the West. But my point is that as a corollary: it may have been rejected by the Greeks, but it was not rejected by the whole Church. Given this, we could not properly say that there was a Church consensus either way.

147 posted on 09/13/2006 7:39:24 AM PDT by Petrosius
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