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Christian democrat ??
self | Sept 15 2006 | thepresidentsbestfriend

Posted on 09/15/2006 5:50:06 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend

Bob Beckel claims to be a born again Christian...Fox News,Hannity.

Bob Beckel says he is a born again Christian.Speaking as a sinner saved by grace,I challenge! He went on to bear false witness within a minute of his claim.

God bless Bob Beckle,but I dont believe a Christian can continue in the democrat party,arguing for abortion,gay rights and banning the name of Jesus from the public square.

I challenge the term "Christian democrat" all togeather. I don`t buy it for a moment.I don`t believe Jimmy Carter is a Christian either.To continue to support abortion etc, after being supposedly saved,does not wash!

To be fair,"moderate republican Christian" is also a oxymoron.

Now I guess people will want to tear me a new one?


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Christian Democrat? Moderate Republican Christian?

Are not both of these oxymorons?

1 posted on 09/15/2006 5:50:06 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

The Democrat Party could use a few Christians.


2 posted on 09/15/2006 5:55:04 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

There are many Christians who are into 'social justice' (other word for socialism) offered by 'old' Democratic Party. Not all Christians are into libertarian/ market-liberalism ideas.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 5:56:13 AM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

As far as I can tell, being a Democrat or a Republican is not a requirement for salvation. There is a large body of Democrats who are clearly anti-Christian, but I don't think we can paint with a large brush.


4 posted on 09/15/2006 5:57:59 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
A party that is pro-abortion, panders to gay rights activists, supports growing secularism in schools-courts and elsewhere....... can not be called "Christian".

The Democrats are trying to 'sell themselves' to the public by reinventing themselves.
5 posted on 09/15/2006 6:00:07 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Always Right

Jesus loved children above all others.To suggest you can be a Christian, at the same time supporting the murder of God children???


6 posted on 09/15/2006 6:02:35 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

I´m a Christian Democrat, so you won my attention. But I´m not belong to the Democrat Party, I´m a member of Germany´s Christian Democratic Union. It was founded as the union of democratic Catholics and Protestants in 1945 and has become the most successful and powerful party here. Currently, we hold the offices of the President, the Chancellor, the Parliament President, the Bundesrat ("Senate") President and the "Supreme Court" President. So, being a Christian AND a Democrat IS NOT a contradiction. :-)


7 posted on 09/15/2006 6:03:56 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

Many Dems think that remembering the poor means the government remembering the poor. But as far left as the Republican Party has gone in the way of programs and spending, I tend to agree with you. There are a lot of pacifist Christians, too, who believe the absence of violence is peace. But, again, the "big tent" party accepts those of the anti-war persuasion, too.


8 posted on 09/15/2006 6:04:49 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Michael81Dus

I meant the democrat party of the united states.


9 posted on 09/15/2006 6:08:08 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
Jesus loved children above all others.To suggest you can be a Christian, at the same time supporting the murder of God children???

How someone like Bob Beckel is judged is not up to us. I can't imagine a Christian advocating things that are against the Bible, but that is between Bob Beckel and God.

10 posted on 09/15/2006 6:08:42 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

the problem is that they will retort with the killing of people in Iraq, or some other conflict. They point to "social justice" concerns, help for the poor, etc... They will say that conservatives don't care anymore once the child is born, blah, blah, blah.

I think you can be a Christian and a Democrat. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Christians can't be lacking in analytical skills, information, or even political judgment. And, though it isn't the most charitable thing to say, some people are stupid, and some of them are Christians. I have no reason to think that Jimmy Carter has not accepted Jesus Christ, but he shouldn't be allowed to serve on the Plains, GA town commission, much less as POTUS.


11 posted on 09/15/2006 6:11:39 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: kerryusama04
The hole in the "Christian democrat" theory is this....if they are truly Christian,why are they not parading against the leadership of the democrat party, to be open to pro life positions.

They obviously don't believe in the Bible.The Bible is also crystal clear about homosexuality.

And no,I don't hate homosexuals etc.I am a sinner saved by grace,nothing more.

BTW this is my first thread ever,been lurking for about 10 years,under user names that are forgotten.
12 posted on 09/15/2006 6:12:52 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: Red6

Democrats just have a problem getting their message out.

13 posted on 09/15/2006 6:13:08 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: N. Theknow
That is bad......but funny!

CC&E

14 posted on 09/15/2006 6:16:51 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many comments, so little time!)
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To: Always Right
You are right what you say about God being the judge.

The Bible does say that when a fellow brother Christian,errors in such a serious way,that we are to approach him with the elders of the Church.I'm paraphrasing,forgive me.The scripture at the moment I can not find.

The person is to be approached by the elders,goes on to say that if he insists in continuing with this sin(whatever it may be) eventually asked to leave.

I will find the scripture.
15 posted on 09/15/2006 6:18:46 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

Does this mean the criminal liberal news media is going to pontificate on the evils of the "religious left?"


16 posted on 09/15/2006 6:19:19 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Michael81Dus

Sir,
The term "Democrat" in the United States is the moniker of a particular political party that has a platform and espouses specific policies. It is not relevant that a political party in another nation uses the term to define themselves.


17 posted on 09/15/2006 6:21:07 AM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Always Right

You are correct. Some democrats/liberals probably will get to heaven. We should look forward to meeting both of them.


18 posted on 09/15/2006 6:22:45 AM PDT by Upbeat
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

I have learned that even two Christians of the same denomination will differ on which parts of the Bible apply and/or what they mean. It seems unfathomable to us conservatives that Christians would support the Democrat Party, but I am sure there are more than a few Democrat Christians who believe the same of us. Keep in mind, also, that many Democrats are DINO's. They hunt, they fish, they go to church, etc., but because they are in a union or because their folks were Democrats, or because of Jackson, Sharpton, Cleavers, McKinney, Obama, et. al., they stay Democrat.


19 posted on 09/15/2006 6:23:14 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

I had a state house democrat Rob Hogg visit my neighborhood trying to get the vote out. He claimed to be a Christian and I chewed him out saying/yelling "YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF BEING IN THE ABORTION AND GAY PARTY!".


20 posted on 09/15/2006 6:26:24 AM PDT by DungeonMaster
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To: kerryusama04

good point about DINOs. We sometimes forget that they are out there, and in large numbers. In addition to union members and blacks, there are a lot of older folks who don't agree with anything the Dems say, other than that the Republicans are going to take away their Social Security.


21 posted on 09/15/2006 6:26:44 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

I hear you,BUT....The argument over abortion brings out peoples true nature.It has nothing to do with how smart one is.I`m not the sharpest knife in the drawer myself!

To argue for the killing of unborn children in todays debate,Is clearly not from God,regardless of ones smarts.


22 posted on 09/15/2006 6:27:15 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: DungeonMaster

Did he reply?


23 posted on 09/15/2006 6:27:22 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: kerryusama04

The way is narrow and most will not find it.Jesus said,I put before you life and death,choose life.

If they put their pocket book above what Jesus says....


24 posted on 09/15/2006 6:31:21 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: cdcdawg
Did he reply?

He just smiled and backed away. I think he tried to make a case for being a democrat and a Christian but it was as he was leaving. I'm sure I seemed like one of those dangerous radical Christians for actually raising my voice on a religious issue.

25 posted on 09/15/2006 6:34:25 AM PDT by DungeonMaster
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

I agree with you, and they will dodge it with the "personally opposed" line, then say that neither party is moral because of X, Y or Z. They vote Democrat because they think that means caring for the poor, and Jesus said we should care for the poor. They think the Democrats are "for peace," and Jesus said "blessed are the peace-makers." They think the Democrats are against "the rich," and Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. It is one of the more frustrating discussions one can have.

My personal belief is that they may be saved, but are quite suseptible to Satan's games. I also believe that salvation can be lost (not to ignite a Calvinist/Arminian debate), and that they are in danger.


26 posted on 09/15/2006 6:34:26 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
Here's the Juan Williams (devil's advocate) line on abortion - If your perspective is one of a very poor inner city filled with gang bangers, violence, drug dealers, etc. you may regard as bringing a child into that world due to a night of poor judgment as a bigger sin that aborting it. If you live on foodstamps and hand outs, but fall for some guy and he leaves you while you are pregnant for another lil' fillie, then it may seems like you have no option but to abort. Keep in mind that 64% of black children are born out of wedlock. Juan would say we are all sinners and who are we to judge, etc...

Now, don't anyone go beating me about the head and shoulders, I am just trying to answer thepresidentsbestfriend's question.

The difference between abortion and the death penalty/war is that conservatives will at least give a guy a chance!

27 posted on 09/15/2006 6:35:31 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Michael81Dus

Democrat in the US is more like SPD in Germany. They are the party that wants to be the champions of gays, feminists; they embrace secularism and views that as progress, they are pro-abortion....

Of course this is all generalized, but as a party they are very left and not very Christian. As a party, the positions taken by the Democrats in the US is not in line with Christian values. They know that that is the way they are being perceived, so now in the US the Democrats are starting a push to reinvent themselves and sell themselves to the public as a Christian valued based party.

But the positions have not shifted one bit. It's still the party that is for gay rights, for abortion, they still back people that want to remove God from society, but they simply know that American society is not secular, so they are pretending to be a Christian values based party now. Sponsored websites are popping up, their talking heads are talking the talk, but in the end, it’s actions that matter, and a party that in the grand scheme of things takes the positions they do on issues is NOT Christian values based.


But that's just my opinion.


28 posted on 09/15/2006 6:37:45 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Michael81Dus
They are not referring to the concept of democracy or the meaning of the world as used to describe a certain political system and method of operating. They are talking about the political party: "Democrats".
29 posted on 09/15/2006 6:41:23 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Bainbridge; thepresidentsbestfriend

"Who´d ever thunk it??" ;-) I`m sorry for having caused a misunderstanding, but I´m well aware that the thread refers exclusively to the US Democratic Party.


30 posted on 09/15/2006 6:42:02 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

I was really surprised and taken aback when he said that, but listening to him, in the brief few seconds after he said that, convinced me that he did, indeed, have a conversion experience.

That was a very public pronouncement.


31 posted on 09/15/2006 6:50:35 AM PDT by norge
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To: norge

is this something recent for Beckel, or is he just now talking about it?


32 posted on 09/15/2006 6:53:31 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

Catholic Democrat? Catholic ProChoice Democrat?


33 posted on 09/15/2006 7:02:25 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup ("Is it real? Or is it Reuters?")
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
The way is narrow and most will not find it.Jesus said,I put before you life and death,choose life.

Bump

34 posted on 09/15/2006 7:09:38 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
"Christian Democrat? Moderate Republican Christian? Are not both of these oxymorons?"

Those not watching Christian Tv or attending a so-called "mega"-church sorta fall into those categories.

35 posted on 09/15/2006 7:31:06 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (III John 2)
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To: Upbeat
You might want to reserve a meeting room in heaven for a reception.

A broom closet might suffice.

36 posted on 09/15/2006 7:43:24 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: N. Theknow

Now don't you be pulling the wool over Old Ray's eyes, now.


37 posted on 09/15/2006 7:50:08 AM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Michael81Dus

I thought your response was great, but since it's morning over here, apparently some people missed your humor (and you even put in a smiley face as a hint!)


38 posted on 09/15/2006 8:21:01 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Thanks. These misunderstandings: Sometimes I blame it on the "cultural differences", sometimes I say it´s because of language barrier..., well at least this time I can blame the others! :-D


39 posted on 09/15/2006 8:35:06 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: cdcdawg
is this something recent for Beckel, or is he just now talking about it?

It's new to me.

40 posted on 09/15/2006 8:55:17 AM PDT by norge
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To: Bear_Slayer

It would need to be a very small broom closet.


41 posted on 09/15/2006 9:24:29 AM PDT by Upbeat
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To: norge

Do a search on freerepublic with the words Bob Beckel and it comes up with Beckel saying he`s a Christian.On Fox last night Bob said 6 years ago he came to faith.

He went on to say last night that the Republican party has hi jacked Christianity.


42 posted on 09/15/2006 10:36:40 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

I realize that. See my post 31.


43 posted on 09/15/2006 10:53:10 AM PDT by norge
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend

Just to follow up, what was "new" to me was Beckel's stating that he was "born again". I saw it when he said it, and it caught me by surprise, because I hadn't heard that about him, or from him, before.


44 posted on 09/15/2006 10:56:28 AM PDT by norge
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To: GenuineChristianConservative; thepresidentsbestfriend; All
"Plese show me where any Democrat has advocated banning the name of Jesus from the public square."

The hardcore Rats usually aren't stupid enough to do this, especially in an election year. The preferred method is to hand the ball off to their pals at the ACLU....yer honor.

47 posted on 09/15/2006 7:25:48 PM PDT by labette (The land of the Free and the home of the Brave just a little while longer please.)
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To: GenuineChristianConservative

Banning the name of Jesus from the public square??

Everytime they go in the voting booth to vote Democrat,they are voting for this very thing.I`m surprised you did not know this???

A vote for a democrat is a vote at some point for a democrat judge on the court,who in return try to ban Jesus from the public square.


48 posted on 09/15/2006 7:41:08 PM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: norge

I like Bob Beckel and I pray that democrats all come to the Lord Jesus.I just find it empty that after 6 years,he still supports all the democrat evils.

There is supposed to be some change in a man when he comes to Christ.


49 posted on 09/15/2006 7:46:05 PM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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To: GenuineChristianConservative
Well,enough out of me.

A Christian is any person that asks Jesus to come in to his or her life/heart.

God be merciful to me a sinner,come into my life Lord Jesus,save me please.Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins.I turn to you Lord from my sin....something along those lines is how I define a Christian.

We are saved by grace,not of works lest any man should boast.

There should be some noticeable change in a man after 6 years.To still be arguing for abortion,homosexuality etc is SHAMEFUL.

These are not acceptable.Yes its true we are all sinners,but to support the killing of the unborn and to promote homosexuality??? Thers no argument to be made for either of those...CASE CLOSED
50 posted on 09/15/2006 7:54:19 PM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend
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