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The Sacrifice of Holy Mass
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| 9/19/2006
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Posted on 09/19/2006 8:13:27 PM PDT by Pyro7480
The Sacrifice of Holy Mass
Mass is Mass.
It's perfect, whether it's celebrated in...
... the magnificent chapel at
Downside Abbey with a spiritual "army" of monks, beautiful Gregorian chant and an enormous congregation...
or in...
an icey cold
Basketball Court with only a few lay faithful...
Mass is
Perfect!
However of course one gains nothing from having Mass in a basketball court, and can only benefit spiritually by having it in a beautiful Church, where one can better focus and concentrate in order to
pray the Mass.
Here's my favorite picture, not taken by me, but edited and formatted by me of Holy Mass.
TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; History; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; england; latin; mass; tlm; traditional
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To: sandyeggo
This is not a correct statement, assuming the Mass is said with the correct matter, intent and form. You are correct. The first part is mistaken, but the very last part, "where one can better focus and concentrate in order to pray the Mass," is a good point.
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posted on
09/19/2006 9:48:27 PM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: sandyeggo
This is not a correct statement, I thought that too at first, but I think (he/she) just didn't word what he wanted to say properly. Given the other statements the blogger made, such as "the mass is the mass". I think what he meant to say was, that although a mass in a gym is still the mass, by having mass in a beautiful church one can better "focus and concentrate".
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posted on
09/19/2006 9:57:13 PM PDT
by
murphE
(These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
To: Pyro7480; All
AUDIO LINK:
Radio interview with Brother Alexis Bugnolo, Editor of The Franciscan Archive Part I
For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, My Name is great among the Gentiles and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to My Name a clean oblation. For My Name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts (Malachias 1:11 Douay-Rheims). By this clean and perpetual oblation, Christ offers infinite adoration (latria), praise, & appeasement to the Father and secondly, it obtains the application to our souls and the souls in Purgatory of that which He merited for us on Calvary. The sacrifice offered on the altar, says the Council of Trent, is the same which was offered on Calvary, since it is the same Priest and the same Victim. Through our reverent & recollected participation at Mass, we encounter Our Lord, truly and substantially present under the appearance of bread & wine. This interview will be followed next Sunday by Part II on the Priesthood of Jesus Christ, Who is the Mediator between God and man.
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posted on
09/19/2006 10:06:31 PM PDT
by
murphE
(These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
To: murphE
Thanks murphE! I haven't listened the last one you linked to on the Cristeros, but I hope to listen to them both soon!
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posted on
09/19/2006 10:08:03 PM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: Pyro7480
Beautiful. I'm so glad that you were able to be there. Someday, I hope to go there, too. Cardinal Newman is sort of the patron of all of us former Anglicans fleeing to Rome.
BTW, BBC Radio broadcast the Choral Evensong from the London Oratory last week. The plainchant was simply heartachingly beautiful. I'm so used to hearing that style and elegance in Anglican churches...but to know that this was Cardinal Newman's church and that the tradition of excellence continues, it was so uplifting.
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posted on
09/20/2006 4:22:57 AM PDT
by
Carolina
To: Pyro7480
I attended the Solemn High Latin Novus Ordo at Brompton Oratory in 2005. The Mass was overwhelmingly beautiful and the chant was heavenly. The church was packed and the folks there sang out the Latin responses with enthusiasm. I didn't want it to ever end.
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posted on
09/20/2006 5:14:44 AM PDT
by
k omalley
(Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
To: sandyeggo
I think that by "can only benefit spiritually" they meant that it's enhanced by having it in a church, but the mass itself is perfect within itself. I had to read it a couple of times to get it.
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posted on
09/20/2006 6:59:35 AM PDT
by
ichabod1
(Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small.)
To: k omalley; Pyro7480; sandyeggo; All
The BBC broadcast from the London Oratory is still available until noon today.
Listen here. It'll be replaced this afternoon by another location. If you've never heard the Oratory choir, this is your chance to hear how well-deserved their reputation is.
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posted on
09/20/2006 7:12:25 AM PDT
by
Carolina
To: Carolina
Oh wow, thank you! I've heard one of these broadcasts from the London Oratory on the BBC before, and it was amazing! I have one of the London Oratory choir's CD's, which I bought when I was there. It's of different chants and polyphany to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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posted on
09/20/2006 7:18:59 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: Carolina; FJ290; murphE
Ping to post #28. Listen in before noon EDT!
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posted on
09/20/2006 7:20:04 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: Carolina
Double wow! They chanted
St. Anthony's Brief. That's a great and poweful prayer that I say often in Latin.
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posted on
09/20/2006 7:26:01 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
To: sandyeggo
It's not 'Nam because the priest celebrated
versus populo at that time.
1967. The priest is Chaplain (Maj.) Charles Watters, who won the Medal of Honor for rescuing wounded under fire, at the cost of his own life.
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posted on
09/20/2006 8:35:16 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: sandyeggo
. . . and now we go WAY back . . .
Irish soldiers in the 69th Massachusetts regiment, attending Mass on the battlefield during the Civil War.
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posted on
09/20/2006 8:40:52 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: AnAmericanMother
I like the camo chasuble, though.
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posted on
09/20/2006 8:43:10 AM PDT
by
Theophane
(Christ our King! Thy kingdom come!)
To: Theophane
I noticed that too. Pretty cute.
He looks a little less out of place than Father O'Reilly in his biretta and rochet, doesn't he?
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posted on
09/20/2006 8:45:16 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: Carolina
Thanks for the link. Listening to it now. Anglican Chant is nice -- it's awesome in fact, but good old Gregorian Plainchant has a charm all its own.
I've got this theory about singing chant. The singer must be absoutely rythymic, yet absolutely relaxed at the same time.
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posted on
09/20/2006 8:47:05 AM PDT
by
ichabod1
(Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small.)
To: AnAmericanMother
OOooo -- do you know where I can find early catholic photography like that? I love that stuff.
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posted on
09/20/2006 8:48:15 AM PDT
by
ichabod1
(Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small.)
To: AnAmericanMother
I love how they've made that tent into a church and steeple.
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posted on
09/20/2006 8:49:10 AM PDT
by
ichabod1
(Political Correctness is communist propaganda writ small.)
To: ichabod1
The best Anglican chant and the best Gregorian intersect.
I started singing in ECUSA choirs at age 6, I can sing Anglican chant in my sleep. My Gregorian cantoring has a slight Anglican flavor (mostly in the accent, although I also sing with a VERY straight tone) but a good delivery is identical.
The way our choirmaster describes it is to "sing as though you are speaking" -- the words themselves create the rhythm, and it must be a natural rhythm, without any overemphasis on the stressed syllables (which is the first common mistake in both Gregorian and Anglican chanting). Breathing is the next absolute essential, so the line can be carried through in a single breath, but in what you correctly describe as a relaxed manner.
If it were easy, we could all do it!
I still like the Anglican part-chant.
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posted on
09/20/2006 9:28:36 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: ichabod1
No idea . . . I just googled "battlefield mass" and up it came!
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posted on
09/20/2006 9:29:32 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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