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To: HarleyD; jo kus; Campion; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; AlbionGirl; wmfights; blue-duncan; ...
A companion for our venerable Luther and Erasmus: The Controversy Concerning the Bondage of the Will thread.
2 posted on 09/26/2006 3:54:41 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; HarleyD; jo kus; Campion; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; AlbionGirl; wmfights; ...

I do so like +Irenaeus!


3 posted on 09/26/2006 4:27:37 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: annalex; HarleyD; jo kus; Campion; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; AlbionGirl; wmfights
Last Sunday a lady came to my church for the first time. She was from out of town and it took over 45 minutes to get there. She trusted Christ for salvation during the service. When she was talking with us during the fellowship hour she wanted to meet "Charlotte". When asked why, she said someone from the church had been calling for "Charlotte" on her cell phone and leaving the church's name and number. After the second or third wrong number she thought someone was telling her to come to the church. She did and was saved. You can imagine the excitement that went through the church on hearing this. Now there is a Charlotte in the church but her cell phone number is nowhere near this ladies and no one in the church would could remember calling for Charlotte last week.
8 posted on 09/26/2006 6:13:02 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: annalex
That thread still going in circles? Hmm, might need to check into it again.
12 posted on 09/26/2006 9:16:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: annalex
Indeed. I also like this portion from Irenaeus:

If Irenaeus was correct in his assertion, then there is no reason for a redeemer. Man has received the knowledge of good and evil. He has the ability. That should be good enough.

While I appreaciate the early church fathers, it is a mistake to pull snippets (or even whole blocks) of their statements out. This is a good example. Irenaeus is really more Orthodoxy in his view than Catholic. I doubt if you'll find many in the Church back then that would say man knows good and evil and all he has to do is will himself. Irenaeus is in error on this point. But can you blame him? Nobody knew what the scriptures were until 200 years later. ;O)

16 posted on 09/27/2006 6:18:30 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luke 24:45)
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