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Pope Receives Kissinger
Zenit News Agency ^ | September 29, 2006

Posted on 09/30/2006 7:04:04 AM PDT by NYer

Castel Gandolfo, Italy, Sep. 29 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI received Henry Kissinger, the former U.S. secretary of state, in a private audience at Castel Gandolfo, reported the Vatican.

The Vatican press office did not issue any public statement on what was discussed during Thursday's meeting.

Kissinger, who was Secretary of State from 1973 to 1977, also met with Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi and President Giorgio Napolitano during his weeklong visit to Rome.

The German-born American diplomat served as national security advisor and later secretary of state during the presidency of Richard Nixon, a position he continued to hold during the presidency of Gerald Ford.

In 1973, Kissinger, along with Le Duc Tho of Vietnam, won the Nobel Peace Prize for their efforts to negotiate the Paris Peace Accords to end the Vietnam War.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; kissinger; pope; vatican

Reuters - Thu Sep 28, 9:35 AM ET

Pope Benedict XVI talks with former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger (L) during a private audience at his summer residence of Castelgandolfo outside Rome September 28, 2006.


1 posted on 09/30/2006 7:04:05 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Reuters - Thu Sep 28, 9:34 AM ET Pope Benedict XVI talks with former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger during a private audience at his summer residence of Castelgandolfo outside Rome September 28, 2006. EDITORIAL USE ONLY REUTERS/Osservatore Romano (ITALY)

2 posted on 09/30/2006 7:06:39 AM PDT by NYer ("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” PPio)
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To: NYer

This is quite interesting, and may have geopolitical meaning. Kissinger could be carrying a message. Thanks for the article and the ping!


3 posted on 09/30/2006 7:10:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: NYer

Very Interesting....


4 posted on 09/30/2006 7:14:29 AM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: NYer

wow, two old Germans. They have certainly seen a lot in their lives.


5 posted on 09/30/2006 7:19:20 AM PDT by Mercat (Show me what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.)
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To: NYer
>Pope Receives Kissinger

First, tin foil alert.
Do not read further until
your protection's on!
----------------------------------

"Indeed, the widespread, fraudulent representation of the
recent address on the subject of ecumenicism, by Pope
Benedict, can not be competently understood, except as a
fresh expression of the malicious propaganda-effort of
the British Arab Bureau's Bernard Lewis (the assigned
controller of Harvard-trained British agents Henry Kissinger, [!]
Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Samuel P. Huntington's "Clash of
Civilizations"). So, as the Roman Empire sought to
destroy Charlemagne's ecumenical collaboration among
Christians, Jews, and Islam, through the Venetian-directed
Norman Crusaders, the contemporary Anglo-Dutch Liberal
faction of today's imperial finance has created and
deployed Bernard Lewis's pro-satanic dogma of "Clash of
Civilizations" using not only corrupt U.S. creatures such
as Kissinger, Huntington, and their ilk, but also
Bush-living fanatics whose adopted beliefs are close to
the essentials of a Satanic cult."


6 posted on 09/30/2006 7:23:19 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Mercat

both Bavarians too. Wonder what they discussed.


7 posted on 09/30/2006 7:24:27 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa - be not afraid)
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To: NYer; All

I Don,t trust Kissinger,I,m sure that Pope Benedict DOES NOT.

Some of us with good memories know Kissinger is a wolf in sheeps clothing

Excerpt from declassified 1974 document on Population Control
http://population-security.org/11-CH3.html#1

""Abortion is vital to the solution: - Index
"While the agencies participating in this study have no specific recommendations to propose on abortion, the following issues are believed important and should be considered in the context of a global population strategy...Certain facts about abortion need to be appreciated:
" -- No country has reduced its population growth without resorting to abortion". [Page 182]

" -- Indeed, abortion, legal and illegal, now has become the most widespread fertility control method in use in the world today." [Page 183]

" -- It would be unwise to restrict abortion research for the following reasons: 1) The persistent and ubiquitous nature of abortion. 2) Widespread lack of safe abortion techniques..." [Page 185]



8 posted on 09/30/2006 7:36:08 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Nihil Obstat

Given the recent news that Kissinger is a frequent advisor to W, it makes sense that this might have been a pseudo-diplomatic mission on behalf of the White House.


9 posted on 09/30/2006 7:37:38 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." (2 Cor. 12:9))
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To: theFIRMbss
My tin-foil cap started sparking all over and then it melted down, and now I can't get the residue out of my ears. Uh--- where do you get this stuff?
10 posted on 09/30/2006 7:52:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
>Uh--- where do you get this stuff?

Kissenger's famous
among all types of fringe folk.
If you've time to kill,

do a Google search
of Kissinger along with
anything. Start with:

   henry kissinger shapeshifter

11 posted on 09/30/2006 7:58:42 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
Well, there's this:

NewsMax.com
Friday, Sept. 29, 2006 10:47 a.m. EDT
Henry Kissinger: 'Victory Only Meaningful Exit Strategy' in Iraq

Henry Kissinger has been advising President Bush and Vice President Cheney about Iraq, telling them that "victory is the only meaningful exit strategy," author and journalist Bob Woodward said.

In an interview airing Sunday night on CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," Woodward said... Kissinger, who served in the Nixon and Ford administrations, has been telling Bush and Cheney that "in Iraq, he declared very simply, 'Victory is the only meaningful exit strategy.'"

12 posted on 09/30/2006 8:04:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I wonder who's Kissinger now?)
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To: NYer

Read this in Whispers in the Loggia . . . gee, days ago! :-)


13 posted on 09/30/2006 9:06:00 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: NYer
Good afternoon.

Maybe Henry is converting to Catholicism? Nah...

5.56mm

14 posted on 09/30/2006 9:11:12 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Mercat
wow, two old Germans. They have certainly seen a lot in their lives.

yep...two old German world-shakers.

Kissinger is a fascinating character. I'd like to know more about him, but I don't know what source would be credible (including the auto-b I believe he wrote). Well, I secretely doubt I would even understand his autobiography.

15 posted on 09/30/2006 11:03:43 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("...peace is the result of victory...")
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To: the invisib1e hand; NYer; All
Kissinger is a fascinating character. I'd like to know more about him

Here,s all you need to know from a Christian viewpoint...

Henry Kissinger is an advocate of the "Culture OF Death" Kissinger hides under the guise of population control that he deems "for the good of mankind"

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness.... Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:20-21

The reality is Kissinger is nothing more then a shined up version of the eugenic evolutionist Ersnt Haeckel-who provided the bridge of Darwins racial and eugenic arguments to the racial and eugenic policies of Nazi Germany that made the 20th century the bloodiest in Human History.

Kissinger is an advocate of abortion,partial birth infanticide,he was a friend of the Hemlock Society who,s founder Derek Humprey is on record saying... quote "what we are trying to do here at the Hemlock Society is overturn 2000 years of Christian tradition"" in regards to abortion, euthanasia of the elderly, very sick, mentally ill.

16 posted on 09/30/2006 1:47:48 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: the invisib1e hand; stfassisi

17 posted on 09/30/2006 2:10:14 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: TaxachusettsMan; NYer

The private audience occurred on Thursday.


18 posted on 09/30/2006 2:48:24 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: theFIRMbss

hardly what I expected but thank you.


19 posted on 09/30/2006 3:17:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("...does not suffer fools gladly...")
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To: theFIRMbss; stfassisi

incidentally, is it safe to assume that neither of you are Catholic? That, if someone were to write a book claiming evidence that the Pope is antichrist, you'd recommend it to me, right?


20 posted on 09/30/2006 3:18:27 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("...does not suffer fools gladly...")
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To: the invisib1e hand
is it safe to assume that neither of you are Catholic?

NO! it is NOT safe to assume.

Perhaps you should research your Christian history. Christ left us "A Church" the Pillar and Foundation of TRUTH.

The Catholic Church is that Church!

21 posted on 09/30/2006 5:54:29 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: the invisib1e hand

The Pope meeting with Kissinger is NOT surprising.
Remember, Christ met with those who crucified HIM.


22 posted on 09/30/2006 6:09:35 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
The Catholic Church is that Church!

you are, as they say, "preaching to the choir."

23 posted on 09/30/2006 6:10:10 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("...does not suffer fools gladly...")
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To: NYer
Is shaking hands with Kissinger anything like kissing the Koran?

Does that photo which shows them looking into each others eyes and smiling imply that Benedict is in cahoots with Kissinger, who knows the Rockefellers who are helping to bring about the one world government?

24 posted on 09/30/2006 6:35:41 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Pyro7480; Dark Skies
Friday, Sept. 29, 2006 10:47 a.m. EDT
Henry Kissinger: 'Victory Only Meaningful Exit Strategy' in Iraq

I would be overjoyed if Mr. Kissinger could dissuade His Holiness of his opposition to the Alliance's intervention in Iraq, saying that it has "has no moral justification" -- and convince him to support the efforts of Bush and our allies there. But I won't hold my breath.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI#Concerning_the_war_in_Iraq

25 posted on 09/30/2006 9:37:29 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: the invisib1e hand
>is it safe to assume that neither of you are Catholic? That, if someone were to write a book claiming evidence that the Pope is antichrist, you'd recommend it to me, right?

You mean like this one?
But, no, it is ludicrous
to judge a Freeper's

religion [!] just by
comments they make en passant.
Freepers ain't shallow

and most Catholics
aren't like Muslims, afraid
bad words can hurt them.

26 posted on 10/01/2006 11:35:25 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
but most non
catholics are attracted to
conspiracy theories
like flies are to
doo doo.

/ ee cummings mode

27 posted on 10/01/2006 2:08:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("...does not suffer fools gladly...")
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To: NYer

At least he isn't meeting with him in "secret" like President Bush is said to be! :-)


28 posted on 10/01/2006 2:20:00 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: the invisib1e hand
Yes, he most certainly IS a fascinating character. One of the more fascinating and intriguing characters in the last century.

Although there is not one book in particular that I would recommend, I have read several about him.

Reading what several others think about him, my own personal conclusion is that he has an absolutely brilliant mind and is an incredibly ambitious man (when it comes to power and status); however, he is also very, very two-faced, an opportunist, and someone (like Slick) who THRIVES on the limelight and the attention of others (in a very Machiavellian way--personal gain at the expense of principle and morality--especially when it came to 'turf-fighting' and power grabbbing). He was hardly a man of 'principle'--not even close.

He was responsible to a great extent for our policy of 'detente' (a term which he picked up from a personal meeting with Charles DeGaulle). In some conservative quarters (Ronald Reagan, in particular)--that policy was nothing more than 'appeasement'--which allowed the USSR to continue to grow militarily while we stood still.

He was the 'antithesis' to today's 'neocon'--as his policies were much more attuned to the much more liberal Rockefeller-wing of the Republican Party (which is why Reagan very rarely called on his expertise). To put his political philosophy in today's terms--he would be classified as a RINO--a cross, or mix of, McCain and Guiliani.

Again, just my own observations.

29 posted on 10/01/2006 2:26:13 PM PDT by stockstrader
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To: stockstrader
Very well thought out observations of Kissinger. I agree with your comment on the liberal Rockefeller-wing of the Republican Party

Wolves in sheep's clothing. correct?

30 posted on 10/01/2006 7:16:36 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: NYer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1701290/posts


Kissinger warns of possible "war of civilizations"
news.yahoo.com ^ | Sep 13, 1:23 PM ET


WASHINGTON (AFP) - Former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger warned that Europe and the United States must unite to head off a "war of civilizations" arising from a nuclear-armed Middle East.

In an opinion column in the Washington Post, the renowned foreign policy expert said the potential for a "global catastrophe" dwarfed lingering transatlantic mistrust left over from the Iraq war.

"A common Atlantic policy backed by moderate Arab states must become a top priority, no matter how pessimistic previous experience with such projects leaves one," Kissinger wrote.

"The debate sparked by the Iraq war over American rashness vs. European escapism is dwarfed by what the world now faces.

==>> "Both sides of the Atlantic should put their best minds together on how to deal with the common danger of a wider war merging into a war of civilizations against the background of a nuclear-armed Middle East."

Kissinger wrote that the big threat lay in the erosion of nation states and the emergence of transnational groups. Iran was at the centre of the challenge, he said, with its support for Hezbollah, radical Shiite groups in Iraq and its nuclear program.

Washington must accept that many European nations were more optimistic about talks designed to convince Iran to halt uranium enrichment -- a process Tehran denies is aimed at making weapons, he wrote.

But in return, he said, Europe should accept the process must include a "bottom line" beyond which diplomatic flexibility must not go and a time limit to ensure talks did not become a shield for "developing new assaults."

In the article, Kissinger, national security adviser for former president Richard Nixon, and secretary of state for Nixon and his successor Gerald Ford, warned the Lebanese Shiite militia Hezbollah was still dangerous, after its month-long conflict with Israel.

"Hezbollah's next move is likely to be an attempt to dominate the Beirut government by intimidation and, using the prestige gained in the war, manipulating democratic procedures," he said.

He concluded by noting that observers wondered whether, after the Cold War, trans-Atlantic ties could survive the loss of a common enemy.

==>> "We now know that we face the imperative of building a new world order or potential global catastrophe. It cannot be done alone by either side of the Atlantic. Is that realization sufficient to regenerate a common purpose?"


31 posted on 10/01/2006 7:45:22 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: Esther Ruth

Dear Sister,
What is your opinion of Kissinger?


32 posted on 10/01/2006 7:56:10 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
That's a good description. That's precisely why Reagan mostly avoided him.

Even President Nixon, who greatly respected Kissinger's intellect, realized that Kissinger had unbridled ambition and bared considerable 'watching'. Nixon even warned others to 'be careful about Henry'.

I'm not surprised that President Bush is seeking his advice--since President Bush is to the left of Reagan. I just hope he doesn't have any permanent position in mind for Henry, other than just 'picking his brain'--which is probably not a bad thing, especially if only done in private.

I wish that their meetings had not become public, though, as the President deserves PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL advice from whomever he chooses.

33 posted on 10/01/2006 8:41:56 PM PDT by stockstrader
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To: stfassisi
Whatever your opinion, the fact is that Europeans are loathe to confront the notion of a rising Islam. Europe is so apathetic and ashamed of its past that it is willing to let a very large Muslim state join the EU. That would be a demographic disaster for Europe, as Turkey would become once again a Muslim bridge into Europe. A secular Turkey is an illusion. Already Britain, France and the Low Countries are threatened by a surging Muslim minority, which is now aware of their lack of resolve.
34 posted on 10/01/2006 9:18:58 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer

Pope Receives Kissinger

This should read, "Kissinger Receives Pope"


35 posted on 11/19/2006 11:41:19 AM PST by pleikumud
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