Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

I Believe [Apostle's Creed]
CatholicExchange. com ^ | 10-04-06 | Mickey Addison

Posted on 10/04/2006 4:54:42 PM PDT by Salvation

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100 next last
For your reading and discussion.
1 posted on 10/04/2006 4:54:43 PM PDT by Salvation
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Catholic Discussion Ping List.

2 posted on 10/04/2006 4:55:50 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
God Bless you, the Catholics. I myself am not one but I recognize your role as essential to our cause and would only caution against the over deification of Mary.

Anyway, we are brothers in Christ. Let us continue the good fight as we've been commanded.
3 posted on 10/04/2006 5:02:46 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
God Bless you, the Catholics. I myself am not one but I recognize your role as essential to our cause and would only caution against the over deification of Mary.

Nice sentiments, but why do you have to bring up Mary? This thread is about the Apostle's Creed.

4 posted on 10/04/2006 5:18:08 PM PDT by Titanites
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
I am on NY'rs ping list. I don't recall if I am on yours too. If not would you please add me?
Thanks
IrishCatholic
5 posted on 10/04/2006 5:26:33 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun

Thanks for your kind thoughts.

Just want to say though, that Mary is not deified. She intercedes for us and we pray to God through her.

God bless.


6 posted on 10/04/2006 5:27:40 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Credo in Deum, Patrem Omnipotentem, Creatorem Caeli et terrae;
et in Jesum Christum, Filium ejus unicum, Dominum nostrum:
qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine,
passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus.
Descendit ad inferos; tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos, sedet ad dexteram Dei, Patris
omnipotentis; inde venturus est judicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum, Sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam,
sanctorum communionem, remissionem peccatorum,
carnis resurrectionem, et vitam aeternam. Amen.


7 posted on 10/04/2006 5:30:05 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Titanites
Nice sentiments, but why do you have to bring up Mary? This thread is about the Apostle's Creed.

Because some Catholics are dangerously close, in my opinion, of worshiping her in place of Jesus Christ. I've seen it firsthand.
8 posted on 10/04/2006 5:31:13 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Fudd Fan
Just want to say though, that Mary is not deified. She intercedes for us and we pray to God through her.

There's a fine line. I've seen it crossed by some Catholics firsthand. The Word is the authority and to rely on anything else is to open yourself up to anything. Nevertheless, this isn't a debate as to the merits of Catholicism. I said earlier that I recognize Catholics as important and saved and I stick by that.
9 posted on 10/04/2006 5:34:20 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Titanites
Catholics don't deify the Virgin Mary.

The back handed slap in your compliment is not appreciated.

10 posted on 10/04/2006 5:41:05 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
There's a fine line. I've seen it crossed by some Catholics firsthand.

Please explain what you have witnessed.

11 posted on 10/04/2006 5:41:37 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun

I believe you've seen it; however we're not supposed to put her on the same level with God.

Not trying to prolong an argument, just wanted to point it out. There certainly are some people who don't get the difference and it's an important one.


12 posted on 10/04/2006 5:46:51 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
I think you have Mary confused with my mother-in-law. I would caution her against deifying herself, but I'm afraid of her. (Only kidding. My MIL is a great woman of prayer and I have no hesitation in asking her to pray for me. I also have no hesitation in asking Mary to pray for me. She is also a great woman of prayer -- possibly even greater than my mother-in-law, though I'm not going to say that, not too loudly anyway)

Mary is not a god or goddess. She's a great saint. Our Lord talks about the psalm which says,"You are gods," and it is certain that great saints, those who show forth most fully what God intended for each of us, at least in some degree, could be confused with a diety.

But, nope: Only one God. A bunch of angels, one of whom is rooting for me in a special way, and then the blessed. And yes, I ask the angels and the blessed (and some of them more than others) if they wouldn't mind rooting for me. And I do so because I am confident that the God whose Son described what He had to offer in terms of overflowing abundance -- shaken down, pressed together, running over -- told me so because He wanted me to take heart, to know that HE and not He alone (which would certainly be MORE than enough!) but a great heavenly host are cheering for me, wincing when I fall, yelling all the louder when I stagger to my feet, yelling themselves hoarse, exchanging high fives, waiting with eager longing for me to finish the race and join as partners with them and even with God, El Shaddai, the great and terrible, Lord of Armies, as we struggle to the best of our ability to haul, to cheer, and encourage, and when needed, rebuke and scold, our brothers and sisters into the kingdom.

Nope, not a diety, but a remarkable woman who shines like a light, but still only reflects (or maybe refracts, like a lens) the dazzling light of Him who overwhelms the darkness and sends it, chagrined and ashamed, scurrying off vainly looking for a place to hide from His Love.

Nope, not a diety at all. But it's time for my to pray my rosary.

13 posted on 10/04/2006 5:47:54 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

Nice, thanks.


14 posted on 10/04/2006 6:02:38 PM PDT by Tribune7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
The Christian faith is not a "religion of the book," that is, not based strictly on the Sacred Scriptures.

This is not true at all...You can ascribe the Catholic faith to that position but don't delude yourself into thinking there are no Christians outside the Catholic church...

15 posted on 10/04/2006 6:07:25 PM PDT by Iscool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Iscool

The fact there are so many little denominations proves the point. When you rely solely on Scripture and personal interpretation thereof, chaos insues.


16 posted on 10/04/2006 6:09:30 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: frogjerk; Jaysun

I've directed this post to Jaysun, who I think you meant to address.


17 posted on 10/04/2006 6:11:34 PM PDT by Titanites
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
Because some Catholics are dangerously close, in my opinion, of worshiping her in place of Jesus Christ.

In place of? The moment a "Catholic" does this is the moment they become an apostate. The devotion to the Blessed Sacrament is far above that of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

18 posted on 10/04/2006 6:11:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
Because some Catholics are dangerously close, in my opinion, of worshiping her in place of Jesus Christ.

Fine. Start you own thread, don't hijack this one, which is about the Apostle's Creed. I think you guys spend more time talking about Mary than do Catholics.

19 posted on 10/04/2006 6:15:08 PM PDT by Titanites
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

Comment #20 Removed by Moderator

Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

Comment #22 Removed by Moderator

To: Fudd Fan

Thanks for posting the Creed in Latin. I don't know latin, but I know the creed. I'm inspired to memorize it in Latin!


23 posted on 10/04/2006 6:46:53 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Titanites
Nice.

I thought so too. Appropriate as well. And just as the liberals do, you point out something irrelevant and ignore everything else. My original sentiments are lost. Let us talk about something else, somewhere else.
24 posted on 10/04/2006 6:47:01 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
Let us talk about something else, somewhere else.

That's what I'm asking you to do; start your own thread about the Virgin Mary. This one is about the opening statement of the Apostle's Creed.

25 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:57 PM PDT by Titanites
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Titanites

Thanks and sorry about the misdirected post.


26 posted on 10/04/2006 7:00:59 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Pyro7480
The fact there are so many little denominations proves the point. When you rely solely on Scripture and personal interpretation thereof, chaos insues.

Oh Contraire...There are nearly as many divisions in the Catholic church and numerous divisions in any given diocese...

But the divisions have very little to do with who is, or who isn't a Christian...

27 posted on 10/04/2006 7:03:41 PM PDT by Iscool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: God Almighty
[i]pray this prayer for nine days for anything you may desire. It has seldom been known to fail.[/i]

Thank you for posting this timely reminder!

and

Welcome to Free Republic!

I hope you decide to hang around here for a while. We have some great discussions and always enjoy rediscovering timeless prayers, like the one you posted.

28 posted on 10/04/2006 7:05:50 PM PDT by NYer ("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” PPio)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
There's a fine line. I've seen it crossed by some Catholics firsthand.

So you're judging our doctrine based on the admitted actions of "some Catholics"?

Do you normally judge all blacks by the actions of a minority of them?
29 posted on 10/04/2006 7:10:12 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Iscool
don't delude yourself into thinking there are no Christians outside the Catholic church...

Eh? What Catholic here or elsewhere has said that? You're straining.
30 posted on 10/04/2006 7:11:17 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
I'm not hijacking shit.

As someone that's been here for going-on 3 years, you really ought to know better.

I recognized Catholics as important and cautioned against the deification of Mary

Who cares what you find important or caution against?

The flurry of comments to my post further justify my post.

Yeah right. Troll elsewhere, friend.
31 posted on 10/04/2006 7:13:52 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die

Thanks for your comments.


32 posted on 10/04/2006 7:15:52 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: bethelgrad

I'm so glad you like it. If you say it in Latin every day (don't worry about pronounciation) you'll soon find you can do it without reading it. I do like to say the Rosary in Latin.


33 posted on 10/04/2006 7:16:23 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: God Almighty

How wonderful to hear about your friend, God bless you both.


34 posted on 10/04/2006 7:17:37 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
Thanks for your comments.

Ah, so you're going to bow out now? Typical. Trash the thread and then run. I'm sure *I'll* be the one the Moderator gets on though, as is usually the case at AntiCatholicRepublic.com
35 posted on 10/04/2006 8:20:04 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die
Ah, so you're going to bow out now? Typical. Trash the thread and then run. I'm sure *I'll* be the one the Moderator gets on though, as is usually the case at AntiCatholicRepublic.com

I was simply acknowledging your replies. If you wish to cry and have me hear it you can do so via private message, I'll happily listen and reply accordingly.

Suck it up, Nancy. I tried to pay you a compliment.
36 posted on 10/04/2006 8:34:24 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Fudd Fan; Jayson

**I believe you've seen it; however we're not supposed to put her on the same level with God.**

Boy, ain't that the truth!

**Not trying to prolong an argument, just wanted to point it out. There certainly are some people who don't get the difference and it's an important one.**

Yep, there is only one omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent God. For anyone else to be able to hear the prayers of thousands around the world at the same moment (omnipresent), know what they are asking for in dozens of languages (pretty much requires some omniscience), and have the ability to relay the constant flow of petitions faster than received (almost omnipotent?)....nevermind. Just one has those attributes.

Paul writing to the Romans (To all that be at Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints), spoke of that One: "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you" Rom. 8:11

That's some power, but then, that's God! Praise his Holy Name!


37 posted on 10/04/2006 8:55:16 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
Suck it up, Nancy.

There's nothing to suck up. I pity folks like you. BTW, you've shown a very, very strong Christian witness on this thread. Kudos.
38 posted on 10/04/2006 9:08:42 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

bump


39 posted on 10/04/2006 9:11:22 PM PDT by VOA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die
There's nothing to suck up. I pity folks like you. BTW, you've shown a very, very strong Christian witness on this thread. Kudos.

Pity me if you'd like. Perhaps you can put in a prayer for me to Saint Tooth Fairy, or whomever.
40 posted on 10/04/2006 9:13:36 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die; Jaysun
Did you read his original post?

41 posted on 10/04/2006 9:22:45 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die
don't delude yourself into thinking there are no Christians outside the Catholic church...

Eh? What Catholic here or elsewhere has said that? You're straining.

Naw, this line came from the article...

The Christian faith is not a "religion of the book," that is, not based strictly on the Sacred Scriptures.

My 'Christianity' IS based strictly on the scriptures...The author is wrong...And the article is cleary a Catholic piece...I'm not straining at all...

42 posted on 10/04/2006 9:33:12 PM PDT by Iscool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: William Terrell; Conservative til I die
Did you read his original post?

Thank you William but I'm afraid that reason may now be out of the question (partly because he's been unreasonable and partly because I have). It's easy to get caught up in a debate with Catholics when your not a Catholic. Yet we should all remember that we owe our souls to Jesus Christ.
43 posted on 10/04/2006 9:43:51 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun
Pity me if you'd like. Perhaps you can put in a prayer for me to Saint Tooth Fairy, or whomever.

Yeah, you were here just to spread a little love. With comments like that, you've exposed yourself.

And yes, I do have pity for hateful persons like you.
44 posted on 10/04/2006 9:49:38 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: IrishCatholic

Checking on that.


45 posted on 10/04/2006 9:51:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Fudd Fan

Thanks, Fudd Fan.


46 posted on 10/04/2006 9:52:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

Comment #47 Removed by Moderator

To: Conservative til I die
Yeah, you were here just to spread a little love. With comments like that, you've exposed yourself.

And yes, I do have pity for hateful persons like you.


I don't hate at all. I was overzealous and I apologize. Let us move on, if you please.
48 posted on 10/04/2006 9:55:13 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Jaysun

Jaysun, thanks for your words about the Creed.

We do not "worship" Mary as you say.

What we do is approach her in a respectful manner and ask her to intercede for us, with her Son, Jesus Christ.

Do you ask friends to ask friends to pray for you? Same thing. Mary the Mother of Jesus Christ, Son of Man and Son of God, is our friend and intercessor. And, yes, we pray to Christ too.

The fact is that even Jesus did things he didn't want to do when His Mother asked him..........His Self-Manifestation at the Wedding of Cana being the most prominent.


49 posted on 10/04/2006 9:55:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Iscool
My 'Christianity' IS based strictly on the scriptures...The author is wrong...And the article is cleary a Catholic piece...I'm not straining at all...

Ok, thanks for the clarification. However, I still disagree. Even Protestants (or to the sensitive, just Christians) employ some extra-biblical aurhority, even if very indirectly or unconsciously.
50 posted on 10/04/2006 9:55:53 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson