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In Defense of Creedalism
Covenant Media Foundation ^ | Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr.

Posted on 10/16/2006 9:29:58 AM PDT by topcat54

In Defense of Creedalism

Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr.

We live in a non-creedal age. By and large conservative Christians dimin­ish the importance of creeds and confessions of faith. As a matter of fact, many non­-creedalists do not simply dismiss creeds as unimportant for maintaining biblical Christianity, they decry them as positively antithetical to it. Such a position is not simply “non-creedal,” but rather “anti-creedal.”

Many factors are at work generating this anti-creedal sentiment today. Among these we may list the following:an increasing permeation of society with a relativistic, existential concern for the moment; a loss of a sense of the significance of history; a democratic concern for non-coercion and individual freedom of belief; a pervasive tendency to simplification, as well as other considerations. But at the forefront of the widespread fundamentalist disapprobation of creeds is the fear that the framing of creeds undermines the sufficiency of Scripture. The cry “no creed but the Bible” appears to re-assert the primacy of the Bible in religious affairs in such a way as to totally discredit creedalism.

In one book leveling a critical assault on creedalism we find the following statement: “To arrive at truth we must dismiss religious pre­judices from heart to mind. We must let God speak for himself.... To let God be true means to let God have the say as to what is the truth that sets men free. It means to accept his word, the Bible, as the truth. Our appeal is to the Bible for truth.” The same writer spurns creeds as “man-made traditions,” “the precepts of men,” and “opinions.”

These sentiments well represent many anti-creedalists, especially those within fundamentalist circles. The fundamentalist view of creeds is important for two reasons. Fundamentalism is not only one of the dominant forces in American Christianity today, but is also the spiritual blood-sister of Reformed Christianity. Conse­quently, conservative Reformed Christians ought to have a proper under­standing of the status and role of creeds in order to defend the biblical integrity of their faith.

This brief study will introduce ­two particular aspects of creedalism: (1) The relation of creed to Scripture, and (2) The function of creeds in Christianity.

The Relation of Creed to Scripture

At the very outset of the discussion it is imperative to recognize that creedal standards are not independent assertions of truth. Nor are they truth claims on a par with Scripture. Creeds are derived from and subordinate to the Bible. The Bible is the only source and standard of Christian truth since it is the infallible, in­errant Word of the Living God.

Understanding the original meaning of the word “creed” may be helpful for dispelling some anti-creedal concerns. The English word creed is derived from the Latin credo, which simply means: “I believe.” A creed, then, is a statement of faith. As such, a creed no more diminishes the authority of God’s Word than do statements such as “I believe in God” or “I believe in the resurrection of Christ.” As a matter of fact, such statements are creeds, albeit, brief ones. Anyone who thinks of God in a particular way has “encreeded” a view of God, whether or not he reduces this “creed” to writing. Surely this in no way diminishes the primacy or the centrality of the Bible.

Furthermore, some argue that a creed reduces the authority of the Bible by implying its inadequacy. They ask why we need a creed if we have the Bible. If such a concern were valid, we could argue with equal force that a minister’s sermonic exposition of Christ’s words implies that Christ’s words are inadequate as they stand. Such is patently false.

Those who fault Presbyterian subscription to the Westminster Standards (or the subscription of Congregationalists and Baptists to closely related Standards) should be made to realize that the Westminster Confession is self-consciously derived from and subordinate to the Bible. It not only amply demonstrates and vigorously maintains its utter dependence upon Scripture in its opening chapter, but it allows—in fact, encourages—appeal from itself to its authority, the Bible. Witness paragraphs four and ten from its initial chapter:

“The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, dependeth not upon the testimony of any man, or Church, but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.” (WCF 1:4)

“The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion arc to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture.” (WCF 1:10)

Furthermore, at WCF 31:3 the Confession speaks of the subordinate authority of all ecclesiastical creeds.Such creedal formulations are to be heeded only—if consonant with the Word of God. Thus, the Westminster Confession of Faith, as a proper creed, actually vouchsafes the supreme, unparalleled authority of Scripture.

Certainly no law in Scripture explicitly com­mands “Thou shalt frame creeds.” Nevertheless, the impetus and mandate for creeds derives from good and necessary inferences deduced from Scripture. We can demonstrate this in a variety of ways, three of which will suffice for our present purpose.

First, the biblical call for a public affirmation of faith serves as the prime impetus to creedalism. The essence of Christian duty is to be a witness (Acts 1:8). This requires publicly defining the exact identity of that to which the Christian is witness. Obviously reciting the entire Scripture record at a given opportunity of witness is not possible. Furthermore, only God can look into the hearts of individuals to ascertain their inner­most faith (1 Sam. 16:7; Luke 16:15). Thus, for others to know of an in­dividual's personal faith it is necessary to put it into words. “With the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation” (Rom. 10:10). Hence, the necessity of a creed in defining the content of belief.

Second, mini-creeds are preserved in the biblical record of apostolic Christianity itself. The very seeds of a full-blown creedalism are sown in the apostolic era via terse statements of faith which are widely employed. Perhaps the most familiar of these rudimentary creeds is the recurring one embedded in such texts as Acts 10:36; Romans 10:9; 1 Corinthians 12:3; and Philippians 2:11: “Jesus is Lord.” This eminently important statement embodies—“encreeds,” if you will—a particular way of viewing Jesus Christ. It is fundamentally necessary to hold as one’s credo: “I believe Jesus is Lord.”

Third, within the biblical record we find early ecclesiast­ical assemblies re-casting already known truths to ensure their ac­curate preservation and transmission. Acts 15 is the locus classicus in this regard. There the Church restates “justification by faith” in response to a Christian-Pharisaic pressure demanding the circumcision of Gentile converts (cf. Acts 15:1).

After noting several such situations in Scripture, nineteenth-century Scottish Presbyterian theologian James Bannerman observes: “Such, within the age of inspiration itself, are the remarkable examples we have of the necessity, growing out of the circumstances of the Church and its members, that arose at different times for recasting the doctrines of Scripture in a new mold, and exhibiting or explaining it afresh under forms of language and expression more precisely fitted to meet and counteract the error of the times.”

Thus the concept of creedalism is a Scriptural one that in no way diminishes the authority of Scripture or implies its inadequacy.

The Function of Creeds in Christianity

The above study intimates a variety of creedal functions. The following enumeration and explication of six important functions of creeds will focus on their specifically ecclesiastical functions. Broader socio-cultural implications flow forth from creedalism, but these are beyond the purview of the present study (see: R. J. Rushdoony, The Foundations of Social Order).

First, creeds serve as a basis for ecclesiastical fellowship and labor. Whenever two walk together they must be agreed (Amos 3:3) for a “house divided against itself cannot stand” (Matt 12.25). Community labors are better performed and “body life” is more consistently main­tained within that church which possesses a homogeneity of faith. And it is imperative that the particular content of that fundamental faith be known, as in a written creed.

Non-creedal fundamentalism is both internally inconsistent at the theoretical level and seriously endangered at the practical level. Its theore­tical inconsistency is manifest in the internal contradiction of the very statement “no creed but the Bible.” This statement itself is a creed. It says, in effect:“I believe (credo) in no creed.” That is, “My creed is that there be no creed.” Furthermore, this theoretical position is not amenable to practice. Even the notoriously anti-creedal Church of Christ de­nomination requires some sort of implied statement of belief from persons seeking positions of authority in its fellowship. A paedo-baptist, or a Five Point Calvinist will simply never be allowed in its ministry.

Ironically, non-creedalism possesses inherent dangers in that in principle such a position allows almost any doctrine into a church. The anti-creedal quotations in the third paragraph of this study are pious sounding and widely representative of many churches. Unfortunately, the statements are drawn from Let God Be True, a publication of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The essence of the citation could well be reduced to: “No creed but the Bible.” Yet despite the Jehovah’s Witnesses’s adoption of the same principle (no creed) and the same authority (the Bible), they are unacceptable to orthodox churches. Obviously there is more to orthodoxy than the claim “no creed but the Bible.” And once you go beyond “no creed but the Bible” to probe one’s faith you are thereby establishing a creed, a statement of faith.

Southern Presbyterian theologian Robert L. Dabney aptly comments: “As man’s mind is notoriously fallible, and professed Christ­ians who claim to hold the Scriptures, as they understand them, differ from each other notoriously, some platform for union and cooperation must be adopted, by which those who believe they are truly agreed may stand and work together.” Churches absolutely must provide a formal, public affirmation of their faith so their members and prospective members may know exactly where they stand. This is the function of a creed.

Second, creeds serve as tools of Christian education. Obviously the sheer volume of the Bible (1,189 chapters containing over 773,000 words) forbids its full comprehension in a moment and by every Christian—or even by one supremely gifted believer in an entire lifetime. Nevertheless, God commands his people in the Old Testament Shema (Deut 6:4-25) and in the New Testament Great Commission (Matt. 28.19-20) to teach the Bible’s truth to others. This teaching process necessarily deals with fundamental, selected truths at first --- truths such as outlined and organized in a creed.

A growing understanding of the Bible comes only through reading it, systematizing it, studying it, hearing it expounded, and applying it. Nineteenth century Presbyterian theologian A. A. Hodge notes in his defense of creeds: ‘While . . . the Scriptures are from God, the understanding of them belongs to the part of men. Men must interpret to the best of their ability each particular part of the Scripture separately, and then combine all that the Scripture teaches upon different subjects in mutual consistency as parts of a harmonious system.” In short, creeds are simply expository distillations of Scripture. They summarily state the most basic themes of Scripture in order to facilitate education in them.

If a brief expository summation of the teachings of the Bible is acceptable to evangelical Christians, then creeds are legitimatized in that they fulfil that precise function. In this respect, creeds differ from doctrinal sermons only in being more exact and being more carefully compiled by several minds. Once a church encourages public teaching of the Word or pub­lishes literature explaining it, that church has in fact made a creedal statement.

Third, creeds provide an objective, concrete standard of church discipline. As noted previously any church having officers or teachers must require their accepting the standard of belief of that church. The position “no creed but the Bible” cannot and does not serve as a standard in any church. The fact that cultists are debarred from service in orthodox churches illustrates a creed of sorts exists.

If a church has any interpretation at all of any part of the Bible that must be held by its officers, then ipso facto it has a creed—even if it is unwritten. But an unwritten creed serving as a standard of discipline in such circumstances is both dishonest and dangerous. Surely it is far more open and honest to have a stable, clearly worded, publicly recognizable standard of belief. Then appeal can be made to this standard in situations where men are either debarred from entering the ministry or from joining a church, or are forcibly relinquished of their duties or membership on a charge of heresy.

A news article appearing in the November 21, 1980, issue of Christianity Today documents in a slightly different setting the danger of the disavowal of creedal discipline. The article reports that a particular church-related college had been embroiled in a controversy over a certain teacher’s instruction in a human sexuality course. The reporter perceptively notes in passing: “Faculty are not required to sign a doctrinal statement, mostly because of long-standing opposition to creeds.” The absence of subscription to a creed was a factor complicating the ad­judication of that controversy. The voluntary subscription to a creedal standard is an effective tool of church discipline which enhances doctrinal purity by reducing equivocation on fundamental issues.

Fourth, creeds help to preserve the orthodox Christian faith in the ongoing Church. Jude 3 exhorts Christians: “Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.”

The system of faith incorporated in the Scriptures, embodied in the Lord Jesus Christ, and revealed in finality by the apostles is “once for all delivered.” It is unchanging and unchangeable. That immutable faith must be preserved from generation to generation. Creeds that are true to Scripture admirably serve to tie generations of believers together by laying down a specific set of fundamental truths.

The Scriptures carefully instruct the Church to preserve the faith. Hebrews 13:9 warns: “Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings.” Paul instructs two early church leaders in this vein. To Timothy he writes: “Retain the standard of sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 1:13). He urges Titus carefully to see that an overseer “hold fast the faithful word which is in accord with the teaching, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict” (Tit. 1:9).

Although the special, direct revelation of God ceased and the corpus of Scripture was finalized in the first century, it still remains necessary for the continuing Church to interpret and apply the completed revelation. The interpretation and application of Scripture is a process, not an act. It has required the involvement of many devout men working through many centuries to systematize, compile, and disseminate the fundamental truths of Scripture.

The fact that the truth of Scripture is of no “private interpretation” is a foundational principle of creedal theology. No in­terpreter of Scripture works alone; we all must build on the past labors of godly predecessors. The interpreter or group of exegetes who agree with the historic, orthodox interpretations of the past and who find themselves in the mainstream of Christian thought are not suspect. Rather, the one who presents novel deviations from historic Christendom deserves careful scrutiny. Creeds help to preserve the essential core of true Christian faith from generation to generation.

The Apostle Paul expresses his fear that some within the Corinthian church are in danger of being “led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ” by subtle craftiness (2 Cor. 11:3). The same concern must provoke the Church today to guard the central elements of Christian truth from distortion. In terms of a creed’s function in this regard, A. A. Hodge remarks that the real question is not, as often pretended, “between the word of God and the creed of man, but between the tried and proved faith of the collective body of God’s people, and the private judgment and the unassisted wisdom of the individual objector.”

Fifth, creeds offer a witness to the truth to those outside the Church. In many ways the Church is to be the “light of the world” (Matt 5.14). Various methods are available by which to carry the light of the truth into the world. The framing of a well-composed creed is one sig­nificant means.

Basically the question which outsiders ask the Church is: “What do you believe?” Non-creedal churches reply: “We believe the Bible.” Creedal churches respond further:“We believe the Bible, and we have written out exactly what it is that we believe the Bible teaches, which is....” The primary question, “What do you believe?” (to which the proper response is “the Bible”) must be followed up by the more searching question:“What do you believe the Bible teaches?”

Creeds witness to the truth to those outside the bounds of the covenant community by: (1) clearly outlining and explicating the fundamental as­sertions of Christianity; (2) seriously warning against misbelief; (3) vigorously defending the truth from corruptions; (4) boldly witnessing to the unity and order of the Christian system; (5) carefully demonstrating the continuity and immutability of the historic Christian faith; (6) publicly demonstrating the rational, objective content of Christian truth (as against mis-perceptions such as a belief that Christian faith is a mystic, blind leap); and so on.

Sixth, creeds provide a standard by which to judge new teachings arising within the Church. This function obviously relates to ideas em­bodied in several of the above-mentioned functions. But its usefulness in an age prone to cultism deserves separate and especial emphasis. “Christian” cults are a particularly dangerous phenomenon in that they proselytize by appeal to Scripture. Cults have been called “the unpaid bills of the Church.” Creeds guard against cultic aber­rations by clearly providing a proper interpretation of essential truths. The more clearly, systematically, and concisely truth is stated, the less likely people are to stray from it in the fog of deception.

Maintaining a standard of truth in the Church is in keeping with apostolic example. 1 John 4:1 warns: “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they be of God.” Immediately following this John provides a specific test point or standard of judgment (creed): “Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from, God.” ­This credo was formulated in response to a particular error infecting the early Church: docetism taught that Christ was really not a material person, but only seemed (Gk.: dokeo) to have a material body. We could cite numerous references following the pattern of 1 John 4 (e.g., Gal 1:8, 9; 2 John 10; Rev 2:2; etc.).

Because of the relentless assaults on the Church from without and the internal buffetings from within, creeds are crucial defensive instruments. As Bannerman aptly observes: “Had the adoption of confessions and creeds not been a duty laid upon the Church by a regard to her own members, it would have been a necessity laid upon the Church by a regard to those not her members, but her enemies.”


We can produce a strong biblical case in defense of cre­edalism. Creeds are invaluable instruments of Christian education and discipline. They in no way diminish the authority of Scripture. The decline in creedalism today in conservative Christian circles is lamentable. Anti-creedalism represents not only a literary and historical loss to society and culture, but a spiritual tragedy and doctrinal danger to the Church.

Reformed Christians need to be trained in creedal theology to bolster the historic Christian faith against the assaults of relativistic, ex­istential, liberal, and cultic theologies current at this time. Reformed churches could curb the decline of creedalism within their own ranks and within American Christianity in general by several simple actions:

Sessions should distribute the Westminster Standards to all of their congregational families urging their study. The Christian Education program of local congregations should include the catechizing of children and youth as an on-going function of the church.New member classes should be offered to those seeking membership within Reformed churches. These classes should at least briefly introduce and review the Westminster Standards. Ministers and Sunday-school teachers should be encouraged to expound the Standards in a systematic way and to illustrate their lessons by reference to the Confessional documents.

May the Lord bless us to know what we believe so that we might declare it to others. May we as orthodox, Bible-believing Christians regain an appreciation for the biblical and historic utility of creeds.

TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: catechism; creed

1 posted on 10/16/2006 9:30:00 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...

With the assault on orthodoxy in various quarters of the church, I thought this was a helpful article.

2 posted on 10/16/2006 9:33:18 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
With the assault on orthodoxy in various quarters of the church, I thought this was a helpful article.

A most worthwhile article! Sadly, much (if not most) of evangelicalism is anti-creedal. Ask them for a formal and binding statement of faith, and watch the backspinning commence. Many thanks for pinging me.

3 posted on 10/16/2006 10:09:45 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: topcat54

Kinda like a mission statement.

4 posted on 10/16/2006 10:26:16 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy
Nice Post.

The intersting thing is that those who deny the usefulness of Creeds will aknowledge that thier church has a Statement of Faith, usually a creed-lite.

Here is an example of one from a well known Purpose Driven Church® church (note the lack of any mention of Christ's work, death or reserection; not to mention Virgin Birth, Trinity, etc....)

-God is bigger and better and closer than we can imagine.
-The Bible is God’s perfect guidebook for living.
-Jesus is God showing himself to us.
-Through His Holy Spirit, God lives in and through us now.
-Nothing in creation “just happened.” God made it all.
-Grace is the only way to have a relationship with God.
-Faith is the only way to grow in our relationship with God.
-God has allowed evil to provide us with a choice, God can bring good even out of evil events and God promises victory over evil to those who choose him.
-Heaven and hell are real places. Death is a beginning, not the end.
-The church is to serve people like Jesus served people.
-Jesus is coming again.

5 posted on 10/16/2006 10:56:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (The GRPL: Because life is too short for bad Theology*)
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To: topcat54; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
Excellent article!

"Very different is the Christian conception of a creed. According to the Christian conception, a creed is not a mere expression of Christian experience, but on the contrary it is a setting forth of those facts upon which experience is based."

"In no branch of science would there be any real advance if every generation started fresh with no dependence upon what past generations have achieved. Yet in theology, vituperation of the past seems to be thought essential to progress. And upon what base slanders the vituperation is based! After listening to midern tirades agains the great creeds of the Church, on receives rather a shock when one turns to the Westminster Confession, for example, or to that tenderest and most theological of books, the "Pilgrim's Progress" of John Bunyan, and discovers that in doing so one has turned from shallow modern phrases to a "dead orthodoxy" that is pulsating with life in every word." - J. Gresham Machen, Christianity and Liberalism

6 posted on 10/16/2006 11:03:11 AM PDT by Frumanchu (CTA = PTBA {})
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To: topcat54

A few paragraphs on creeds from the Catholics. One problem people have with creeds is the lack of spontaneity. Once it is learned it is easy to drone on without putting anything of your heart and soul into it. Of course, the same holds true for the Lord's Prayer or any personal prayer, doesn't it? It takes some effort not to be distracted.

186 From the beginning, the apostolic Church expressed and handed on her faith in brief formula normative for all. 1

But already very early on, the Church also wanted to gather the essential elements of her faith into organic and articulated summaries, intended especially for candidates for Baptism:

This synthesis of faith was not made to accord with human opinions, but rather what was of the greatest importance was gathered from all the Scriptures, to present the one teaching of the faith in its entirety. And just as the mustard seed contains a great number of branches in a tiny grain, so too this summary of faith encompassed in a few words the whole knowledge of the true religion contained in the Old and the New Testaments. 2

187 Such syntheses are called "professions of faith" since they summarize the faith that Christians profess. They are called "creeds" on account of what is usually their first word in Latin: credo ("I believe"). They are also called "symbols of faith".

188 The Greek word symbolon meant half of a broken object, for example, a seal presented as a token of recognition. The broken parts were placed together to verify the bearer's identity. The symbol of faith, then, is a sign of recognition and communion between believers. Symbolon also means a gathering, collection or summary. A symbol of faith is a summary of the principal truths of the faith and therefore serves as the first and fundamental point of reference for catechesis.

1 Cf. Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 15:3-5,etc.
2 St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catech. illum. 5,12: PG 33,521-524.

7 posted on 10/16/2006 11:59:38 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Frumanchu; topcat54; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
What we often hear from the modernists is that they want to learn something practical, applicable from their faith.

Yet when we face life's greatest challenge, our own death, what is more practical than this:

(From the Heidelberg Cathechism:)

Question 1. What is thy only comfort in life and death?

Answer: That I with body and soul, both in life and death, (a) am not my own, (b) but belong unto my faithful Saviour Jesus Christ; (c) who, with his precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, (d) and delivered me from all the power of the devil; (e) and so preserves me (f) that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head; (g) yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, (h) and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, (i) and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him. (j)

(a) Rom.14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. Rom.14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. (b) 1 Cor.6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (c) 1 Cor.3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. Tit.2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. (d) 1 Pet.1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 1 Pet.1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. (e) Heb.2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (f) John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 2 Thess.3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 1 Pet.1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. (g) Matt.10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Matt.10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Matt.10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. (h) Rom.8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (i) 2 Cor.1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. 2 Cor.1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 2 Cor.1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. 2 Cor.5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Eph.1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Eph.1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Rom.8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (j) Rom.8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
8 posted on 10/16/2006 11:59:48 AM PDT by Gamecock (The GRPL: Because life is too short for bad Theology*)
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To: topcat54

Great post

9 posted on 10/16/2006 12:06:16 PM PDT by AZhardliner (PCA Pastor)
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To: Gamecock
Amen, brother!

"In the modern vituperation of "doctrine," it is not merely the great theologians or the great creeds that are being attacked, but the New Testament and our Lord Himself. In rejecting doctrine, the liberal preacher is rejecting the simple words of Paul' "Who love me and gave Himself for me," just as much as the homoousion of the Nicene Creed. For the word "doctrine" is really used not in its narrowest, but in its broadest sense. The liberal preacher is really rejecting the whole basis of Christianity, whic is a religion founded not on aspirations, but on facts. Here is the most fundamental difference between liberalism and Christianity -- liberalism is altogether in the imperitive mood, while Christianity begins with a triumphant indicative; liberalsism appeals to man's will, while Christianity announces, first, a gracious act of God." - Machen, Christianity and Liberalism

10 posted on 10/16/2006 12:30:20 PM PDT by Frumanchu (CTA = PTBA {})
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To: topcat54
Great article, TC. Just to read the Westminster or Heidelberg Confession is to know more of God than before.


11 posted on 10/16/2006 2:40:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock

That sounds exactly like the chruch my wife goes to...ugh, I'm trying to work on her to come to my church (WELS) where Christ is 1st in all's very frustrating but I am always glad when she complains about that her pastor didn't give full context or really get the point across like it should have been....I think that means she's listening to me...a little at least ;-)

12 posted on 10/16/2006 4:05:44 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: siunevada

When I say the Nicene Creed at Mass. I am always struck by the connection we have with all the other Christians who have said the Creed throughout history. What a way to remember that we are truly a community of saints. Both those who are with us now and those who have gone to glory.

I also believe every word of the Creed. It is for these words that many went to their deaths. To say the Creed as a rote exercise without truly meaning what we say is an insult to their sacrifice and their memories. But more importantly when we recite the Creed we are affirming our beliefs to God. To me that is a very solemn and awesome realization.

13 posted on 10/16/2006 4:11:39 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

***I also believe every word of the Creed. It is for these words that many went to their deaths. To say the Creed as a rote exercise without truly meaning what we say is an insult to their sacrifice and their memories. But more importantly when we recite the Creed we are affirming our beliefs to God. To me that is a very solemn and awesome realization.***

And the Creeds were the standards by which the NT was chosen. There are 60 known Gospels and another 20 hinted at. They were chosen in accord to the Creeds, not vice versa.

14 posted on 03/31/2009 6:05:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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