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Judaism Fulfilled (major misconceptions that many Jews have about the Catholic Church)
Ignatius Insight ^

Posted on 10/19/2006 8:01:52 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Dr. Eckleburg; PetroniusMaximus
What greater honor could be accorded to the Jewish race than to say that they alone, among all the peoples of the earth, are related by blood to the incarnate God?
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." -- Galatians 3:28

He was probably referring to Christ's genealogy ...

Matthew
Chapter 1
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1 2 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
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Abraham became the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.
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Judah became the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar. Perez became the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram,
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Ram the father of Amminadab. Amminadab became the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,
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Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab. Boaz became the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth. Obed became the father of Jesse,
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Jesse the father of David the king. David became the father of Solomon, whose mother had been the wife of Uriah.
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3 Solomon became the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asaph.
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Asaph became the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, Joram the father of Uzziah.
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Uzziah became the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah.
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Hezekiah became the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amos, 4 Amos the father of Josiah.
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Josiah became the father of Jechoniah and his brothers at the time of the Babylonian exile.
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After the Babylonian exile, Jechoniah became the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
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Zerubbabel the father of Abiud. Abiud became the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor,
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Azor the father of Zadok. Zadok became the father of Achim, Achim the father of Eliud,
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Eliud the father of Eleazar. Eleazar became the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob,
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Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.
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Thus the total number of generations from Abraham to David is fourteen generations; from David to the Babylonian exile, fourteen generations; from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah, fourteen generations. 5


"The Lord says that his covenant with David stands firm and he will make his posterity endure forever and his throne as the days of heaven" (Ps. 89:29-30).


51 posted on 10/20/2006 5:04:12 PM PDT by NYer
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To: FourtySeven
Something to consider ordering.

His book, Salvation is From the Jews? I am not a great reader but could not put down his book. It is filled with so many bookmarks that it now bows like an accordion. Enjoy it!

52 posted on 10/20/2006 5:14:23 PM PDT by NYer
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To: PetroniusMaximus
But, also it must not be forgotten:

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

The Jewish people, from whatever blessed position they hold, must remember:

Luk 12:48. . .For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

53 posted on 10/20/2006 5:19:34 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: gallaxyglue
Thanks, I don't accept Jesus as my personal trainer.

It's been awhile since Jesus was physically taking on disciples, so you can't have Jesus in body, but you can have His teachings and parables, and be your own trainer by living your life by that template.

You don't even have to tell anyone.

54 posted on 10/20/2006 5:28:54 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The Old Testament is antisemitic, too. And anybody who would call the Israelites a "stiff-necked people" is obviously a flaming antisemite.

In house quarrel Mr. Arrogant (what part of turning the other cheek is this handle?). None of your beeswax. you shouldn't roll like that.

55 posted on 10/20/2006 9:22:03 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: William Terrell
Oh, do please tell about those non-Jews that wrote the books of the New Testament. Name names. You're looking pretty silly from where I sit, but go for it. Provide evidence to support your names.

Dunno, ask your Catholic friends. They believe they've been tinkered with as well. And their the ones who canonized it. Sheesh, this is comon knowledge. NT 101.

56 posted on 10/20/2006 9:24:15 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: chesley
Gee, didn't the OT prophets also have a thing or two to say about the lack of faith of the Hebrew people from time to time?

Gee I think they did. But I doubt they expected you to interfere in their in-house squabbles. Isn't it written in your NT writings to remove the speck out of your own eye before gloating about Jewish imperfections? For being alledgedly "grafted" in you certainly aren't shy about putting your spin on HEBREW writings.

57 posted on 10/20/2006 9:33:23 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: William Terrell
And I'm not talking about those who translated the books; I'm talking about the scrolls.

I'd like to see these scrolls. Do you have a copy of the originals? I thought not.

58 posted on 10/20/2006 9:34:34 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
If you believe that there were non-Jewish writers of the Gospels, Acts and the letters, name them. You must base your belief on some kind of hard evidence. It's an expraordinary claim so it needs extraordinary evidence.

59 posted on 10/20/2006 10:04:16 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Do you think the scrolls don't exist?

60 posted on 10/20/2006 10:06:00 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
The Jewish people, from whatever blessed position they hold, must remember:

Luk 12:48. . .For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Ignore that it comes from what you deny. Consider the communication itself as an evident truth. And, no, it's not talking about scientific or medical achievements. If the Jewish people are going to make claims, they're are going to have to act at the same level.

I haven't seen anything yet, just the same old selfserving, materially oriented, insular and paranoid behavior of any other physical creature. No more, no less.

If you want some sort of special consideration, you had best present some evidential credentials of service to all God's people in accordance with His law.

61 posted on 10/20/2006 10:21:01 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Actually, I think this referred to individual sins rather than the rightness or wrongness, correctness or incorrectness, of ideas or philosophies.

Your criticisms of Christianity would be sounder if you knew something about it. And I don't think your problem is with "antisemitism", but with the Gospel, itself.

OK, your choice. But your sensitivities don't obligate others in any manner.
62 posted on 10/21/2006 6:25:53 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't serve to win...But America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats!)
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To: William Terrell
Lol. I need special consideration from you? (other than your multiple responses)

Still haven't come up with originals I take it. Oh well.

Ya Jewish people must remember New Testament Scripture. Right.

63 posted on 10/21/2006 8:03:17 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: chesley
Actually, I think this referred to individual sins rather than the rightness or wrongness, correctness or incorrectness, of ideas or philosophies.

Its your choice to interpret these writings to accomodate a certain spin.

Your criticisms of Christianity would be sounder if you knew something about it.

You don't know me and this assessment happens to be incorrect. Of course you're probably under the illusion that your assumptions are somehow inspired.

And I don't think your problem is with "antisemitism", but with the Gospel, itself.

Well duh. From your perspective if I don't empbrace certain tenants of your faith I'm an enemy of the Gospel. Perhaps its you that arent familiar with your own religion.

OK, your choice. But your sensitivities don't obligate others in any manner.

That sounds ominously familiar. Some Europeans had this same attitude in the 30's 40's. Nothin much new under the sun.

64 posted on 10/21/2006 8:12:34 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Well, your moniker is well-chosen. I can certainly say that for you.

Your are wrong on every count. First your assumption that I interpret the writings to accommodate a "spin". No. I have no agenda, certainly not an antisemitic one. You don't know me, and your assumption is offensive.

Read the Gospels for yourself. Jesus always addressed the individual, not society.

I don't know you, that is true. But your ignorance of Christianity and what it means shines through for all to see. And you make another assumption, namely that I am making assumptions based on "inspiration". Again, you are wrong. I am depending only on what the words of the writings actually say.

I've got no problem with you rejecting the Gospel. That's between you and God. You do not have to embrace any tenets of my faith. Perhaps you would care to enlighten me as to what I might be ignorant about with my own faith? You may even be right. I certainly don't claim to know everything about anything.

Nor did I call you an enemy of the Gospel, nor would I care if you are. I just said that you seemed to have a problem with it. A statement which you have now confirmed. Fine. But it is your problem, and I see no need to change my beliefs to accommodates you. Perhaps if you left off the personal attacks we might have grounds to discuss it and at least agree to disagree. For instance, calling people Nazis, as you just did, is the sign of a person that knows he has lost the argument. Not being sensitive to you precious feelings is not the same as marching them to the gas chambers. And you know it. You are just being gratuitously ignorant. Whoops, I mean "invincibly". Perhaps you should learn to be more sensitive to the religions and cultures of others instead of demanding they do so for you

Look, answer me this. How does my believing the Gospels hurt you in any way?

65 posted on 10/21/2006 11:09:41 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win...But America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Hebrew writings? Yes. But Christians claim them, too. And, in fact, once you put it in writing and publish it, anybody can "interfere".

And where was the spin? You're the only one spinning, as far as I can see.
66 posted on 10/21/2006 11:39:52 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win...But America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats!)
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To: chesley
Look, answer me this. How does my believing the Gospels hurt you in any way?

Look drama queen. Your righteous indignation is transparent. You having beliefs doesn't hurt me at all. Try the poor persecuted Christian routine on somebody else. The subject of this article is barfable. Its always the Jews that have the "major misconceptions"....

Perhaps the finger occasionally should point the other direction.

67 posted on 10/21/2006 11:55:35 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Wow!! Talk about projection!!

OK. I'm done.


68 posted on 10/21/2006 12:01:21 PM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win...But America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Are you saying that Jews don't consider themselves the chosen of God, and that to curse a Jew will mean destruction to the curser?

Don't show me anything. Show the world. And, because a maxim is located in a bed of scripture that you don't accept does not reduce it's truth. You know the scripture I cited was truth.

GodSoft may no longer support Covenant 1.0 (Jesus was, of course, the last prophet sent to the Israelite people, 2000 years ago); you should upgrade to Covenant 2.0.

But, hey, don't worry about it; you know what's true, right?

69 posted on 10/21/2006 12:28:05 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
salvation is from the Jews, Jesus Christ.

that quote says it all. the ot spares no words in what they thought about the non-jews. do i say the ot is anti gentile, nope. You have to consider the situation and times of that era.
70 posted on 10/23/2006 7:27:03 PM PDT by Coleus (Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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