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Nuns urge Catholic voters to challenge church
Denver Post ^ | October 26, 2006 | Eric Gorski

Posted on 10/27/2006 1:24:49 PM PDT by NYer

An organization of Catholic nuns whose leadership includes four Colorado women is urging Catholic voters to challenge church teachings against abortion and gay marriage while weighing a broad range of social issues on Election Day.

In an "open letter to Catholic voters," the National Coalition of American Nuns provides an alternative to the church hierarchy's voter education efforts in Colorado and nationwide, said Sister Mary Ann Cunningham of Denver, a board member.

Opposing war and treating immigrants with compassion are included in a list of seven issues outlined by the group. Mary Ann Coyle and Anna Koop of Denver and Sallie Ann Watkins of Pueblo are the other Colorado nuns on the board.

The letter also states, "We encourage respect for the moral adulthood of women and will choose legislators who will recognize the right of women to make reproductive decisions and receive medical treatment according to the rights of privacy and conscience."

Cunningham said many Catholics disagree with the church's opposition to legalized abortion for "compassionate, faithful reasons."

Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput has urged Catholics to "act Catholic" when they vote or run for office and called opposition to abortion "foundational."

"We're supposed to vote as our conscience tells us, not as the archbishop's conscience tells him," said Cunningham, a member of the Sisters of Loretto. "I have great respect for the archbishop, but I think that's kind of treating us like children."

Jeanette DeMelo, spokeswoman for the Denver Archdiocese, said Chaput has highlighted a broad range of issues, all grounded in Catholic teaching.

"Archbishop Charles Chaput is not teaching his personal opinion," she said. "This is the church's teaching, and it is the responsibility of a Catholic to vote their conscience, but their rightly formed conscience, their educated conscience."

The nuns' letter also says citizens "in committed relationships - whether marriages or civil unions" - should have adoption, inheritance and other rights.

Colorado's Catholic bishops oppose a measure on the November ballot that would grant domestic-partnership benefits to same-sex couples, and they support a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as between one man and one woman.

"I do value the voice of the church hierarchy," Cunningham said. "But I don't find anything in the Gospels about abortion or gay marriage."


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Loretto Leaderhip for 2007-2012

The Delegate Assembly and two-day election process was part of a five day gathering of Loretto members in Denver, Colorado, in July. The “Journey to Jubilee.” Focused on a vision statement leading to Loretto’s commemoration of its 200th anniversary in 2012.

Elected to leadership were:(left, front): Susan Swain SL, Executive Committee; Cathy Mueller SL, President; Vicki Schwartz SL, Executive Committee; (left, back) Kathy Wright SL, Executive Committee; Donna Day SL, Vice-President; Maria Visse SL, Executive Committee; Pearl McGivney SL, Executive Committee.

The Sisters of Loretto and Co-members comprise the Loretto Community. The Loretto Community exists to praise God and minister to people. We are people of faith and service bound together by our love of God and love of one another. We live in the desert Southwest, the hills of Kentucky, cities dotting the East and West coasts, and many places in between ... some live in Europe, Canada, and Africa. Our spirit and mission are grounded in the gospel.


1 posted on 10/27/2006 1:24:50 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...


2 posted on 10/27/2006 1:25:15 PM PDT by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer

OMG why don't they just go and be episcopal priests and leave the Catholic church alone! it's a win-win!


3 posted on 10/27/2006 1:26:02 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: NYer

"Archbishop Charles Chaput is not teaching his personal opinion," she said. "This is the church's teaching, and it is the responsibility of a Catholic to vote their conscience, but their rightly formed conscience, their educated conscience."

High time this was said.......

Who cares what a bunch of old, bitter women think?


4 posted on 10/27/2006 1:27:07 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: All
Sadly, these are the same Sisters of the 'miraculous' staircase.

FULL STORY

5 posted on 10/27/2006 1:28:01 PM PDT by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer

Same meme on conscience as Andrew Sullivan was spouting on Hugh Hewitt. A Catholic has a duty to inform his conscience by the moral teachings of the Church.


6 posted on 10/27/2006 1:30:20 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: xsmommy

You said it. Now let's pray they do it.


7 posted on 10/27/2006 1:31:29 PM PDT by voiceinthewind
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To: NYer

Beautiful story! What a pity these self-obsessed old bats are profaning the memory of the many sincere, devout and courageous sisters who went before them.


8 posted on 10/27/2006 1:33:26 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

no, really? that's too bad.


9 posted on 10/27/2006 1:35:27 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: NYer
"We encourage respect for the moral adulthood of women and will choose legislators who will recognize the right of women to make reproductive decisions and receive medical treatment according to the rights of privacy and conscience."

Cunningham said many Catholics disagree with the church's opposition to legalized abortion for "compassionate, faithful reasons."

So, the babies aren't people?

10 posted on 10/27/2006 1:39:03 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: siunevada

They apparently think "moral adulthood" means "we ourselves define good and evil." A remember that offer being made to Eve. Apparently still persuasive to some.


11 posted on 10/27/2006 1:51:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Do not accept a "truth" that comes without love, or a "love" that comes without truth. Edith Stein)
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To: siunevada

"So, the babies aren't people?"

According to Michael Fox, they are food.


12 posted on 10/27/2006 1:52:01 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It's a crying shame...


13 posted on 10/27/2006 1:53:17 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: OpusatFR

Same with that one dude from Austin Powers...

Get in my belly!!! 8^)


14 posted on 10/27/2006 1:53:51 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: xsmommy

They are apostates.


15 posted on 10/27/2006 1:55:36 PM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: NYer
"I have great respect for the archbishop...

No, you don't. Satan's got your tongue?

A_R

16 posted on 10/27/2006 2:00:55 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: xsmommy


I can't tell you what my husband said.


17 posted on 10/27/2006 2:02:19 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: NYer

Where's the inquisition when you need it... or at least a physical excommunication as well as spiritual. I volunteer, anyone else?


18 posted on 10/27/2006 2:03:25 PM PDT by AliVeritas (We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Ben Franklin)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Lord have mercy, don't get me started on Sullivan.


19 posted on 10/27/2006 2:05:20 PM PDT by AliVeritas (We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Ben Franklin)
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To: xsmommy; NYer; mockingbyrd; Unam Sanctam; voiceinthewind; livius; OpusatFR; rzeznikj at stout; ...
According to this recent article, NCAN, which was founded in 1969, has a membership of 1200, out of about about 68,000 religious sisters in the USA. In other words, in 38 years, this "national coalition" has failed to attract about 98.3%% of the nuns in this country.

Just to bring a ray of sunshine into your day...

20 posted on 10/27/2006 2:30:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: NYer

"I do value the voice of the church hierarchy," Cunningham said. "But I don't find anything in the Gospels about abortion or gay marriage."

Just like every other C.I.N.O.!!


21 posted on 10/27/2006 2:44:19 PM PDT by dcnd9
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To: livius; mockingbyrd
By the way, I do not think we should insult these individuals because they are old, gray-haired, and dumpy. I myself am old, grayhaired, and dumpy.

It is enough to expose them --- by quoting their own words --- as purveyors of injustice and violence, religious charlatans, and frauds.

22 posted on 10/27/2006 2:45:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: NYer

FYI ladies:Abortion

God's Terms for the Unborn

Gen. 25:21,22

In Genesis 25:21,22, Rebekah conceived twins, and "the children struggled together within her." That which was conceived was called a "child" between the conception and the birth.

The Hebrew word used here (BEN) is the most common Old Testament word for a child or son. When used for the physical offspring of humans, it consistently refers to distinct human individuals (see Gen. 25:1-4; 3:16; etc.).

Job 3:3

On the very night of Job's conception it could have been said, "There is a man-child conceived." The word for "man-child" (Heb. GEBER) elsewhere means "man," i.e., a human individual (see Job 3:23; 4:17; 10:5; Psalms 127:5; 128:4; etc.).

Job 3:16

Babies that die before birth are called "infants" that never saw light. This is exactly like babies that are aborted. This word (Heb. OLEL) always and without exception refers to human individuals (cf. Hosea 13:16; Psalm 8:2; Joel 2:16).

Numbers 12:12; Luke 1:43

In Numbers 12:12, Moses describes "one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb." If a baby dies before it is born -- as in an abortion -- the woman who conceived it is still a "mother."

In Luke 1:43, Elizabeth addressed Mary as "the mother of my Lord" before Jesus was born.

The word "mother" (Heb. EM; Greek METER), in contexts referring to physical human reproduction, always refers to one who has procreated or formed another human individual, a separate and distinct individual from the mother herself (see Num. 6:7; Gen. 3:20; Luke 1:60). A woman who has conceived, even if the child is not yet born and even if it dies before birth, is a "mother."

Luke 1:41,44

Elizabeth conceived (v. 24), and the life "in her womb" is called a "babe" or "baby" (Greek BREPHOS). This is the second-most-common New Testament word for a baby. It is always used for that which is a human individual separate and distinct from its mother (see Luke 2:12,16; Acts
7:19.)

Luke 1:36

Again, the life conceived in Elizabeth's womb, before it was born, is called "a son." The word "son" (Greek HUIOS), in contexts that refer to the physical offspring of humans, always refers to that which is a human individual separate and distinct as an individual from its parents. It is the most common New Testament word for a "son" (see Matt. 1:21,23,25; Luke 1:13,31; 2:7; etc.)



HOW SHOULD WE TREAT AN UNBORN CHILD?

The unborn life in the mother's womb is a human individual from conception on. How should we treat this unborn life? May we deliberately kill it? Surely we must be guided by exactly the same rules or principles we should follow in our treatment of any other "child" or "baby." What are these rules?

A. Stewardship: Train, and Protect a Child

Abortion's defenders often argue that, if the mother does not "want" to have the child, she may abort it. But does a mother have the right to not want her child?

Psalm 127:3-5; 128:3-5 -- Children are a blessing, a source of happiness and joy to their parents. Yet unborn babies are children, so parents ought to appreciate them as a blessing from God. People who have Scriptural attitudes will never kill unborn babies because they will never want to. Abortion is the grossest form of
ingratitude for God's blessing.

Proverbs 22:6; Ephesians 6:4 -- God has made us stewards of our children. A steward is a person who has been entrusted with something that belongs to someone else. He is responsible to care for it and use it to accomplish the purpose of the one to whom it belongs. He will be condemned and punished by the owner or master if he abuses or misuses that which has been entrusted to him (Luke 12:42-46; Matt. 25:14-30; I Cor. 4:2).

An unborn child is a particular blessing that has been given into our care just as surely as is a child that has been born. We have the same God-given duty toward an
unborn child as we do toward one that has been born. If we kill them, we defeat God's purpose for their lives. How can we "train up" and "bring up" those whom we have killed?!

Abortion is the grossest form of child abuse and the most extreme perversion of parental responsibility. God will not fail to hold us accountable.


23 posted on 10/27/2006 2:49:25 PM PDT by dcnd9
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To: NYer

"What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?"



Answer: Before we look at gay marriage / same sex marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. The Bible clearly and consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of his or her own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.



We also have to remember that homosexuality is just as forgivable a sin as all other sins. God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God’s love and desire to save extends to homosexuals (John 3:16; Romans 5:8). God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).



To give sanction to homosexual marriage would be to give approval to that lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. I believe that Christians should stand firmly against the idea of gay marriage / same sex marriage. Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Homosexual marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. God forbids and condemns homosexuality, so He clearly is opposed to homosexual marriage. As Christians, we are to seek to share the love of God and salvation through Christ with homosexuals. We are to be loving and kind to homosexuals, while at the same time not condoning their sinful lifestyle.
http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html


24 posted on 10/27/2006 2:51:43 PM PDT by dcnd9
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To: NYer
Our spirit and mission are grounded in the gospel.

*And we is happy.

25 posted on 10/27/2006 2:55:04 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: NYer
Our spirit and mission are grounded in the gospel.

*And we is happy.

26 posted on 10/27/2006 2:55:06 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don't think it is an insult to call them bitter, they obviously are.

I, as a Catholic woman, have found myself totally liberated in my faith and rejoice that I have daughters who will be raised with the freedom and dignity that the Catholic tradition has always granted women.

I, one day, will be grayhaired. Judging from past pregnancys, I'll be dumpy before then. But I won't be bitter.


27 posted on 10/27/2006 3:22:01 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I think it is more a comment on their inner ugliness - something I'm sure you don't share! Probably few of us here look like nubile sylphs, alas, but they were distinguished by that grim look of liberal self-righteousness and festering resentment that could make them look nasty even if they were nubile sylphs!
28 posted on 10/27/2006 3:50:08 PM PDT by livius
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...

I didn't see Janet Reno in the picture.


29 posted on 10/27/2006 3:51:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: dcnd9
..."I do value the voice of the church hierarchy," Cunningham said. "But I don't find anything in the Gospels about abortion or gay marriage"...

Wow..how incredibly blind to the truth.

And on the relationship of the Church (people of God) to the Gospels... The Sister should know very well that 1) the Church came before the Gospels, and 2) was founded on Peter

We should pray for the Holy Spirit to whisper into her ear.

30 posted on 10/27/2006 3:53:35 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: Mrs. Don-o
. . . and isn't it JUST like the blinkin' drive-by media to quote 1.7% of the sisters?

Somebody ought to write Eric whatzizname and let him know his cover has been blown.

31 posted on 10/27/2006 4:04:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NYer

###"We're supposed to vote as our conscience tells us, not as the archbishop's conscience tells him,"###

Yes! Well developed consciences?


32 posted on 10/27/2006 4:32:41 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: franky

"Conscience is a student, not a teacher." Pope John XXIII


33 posted on 10/27/2006 4:34:34 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" - Jesus Christ Our Lord)
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To: NYer; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; ...
Excuses me Sisters,

I'd like you all to meet Mother Angela NoMerci, the Foundress of the Daughters of Divine Consequences.

Mother Superior would like a little quality time with you each, so she can try out introduce her new titanium ruler.
34 posted on 10/27/2006 4:40:48 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Just to bring a ray of sunshine into your day...

And you did! Thank you!

Just down the road is the Provincial House of the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet. One of my high school classmates joined the Sisters of St. Joseph in Brentwood (LI). She is now Principal of my former high school. The Sisters of St. Joseph are right up there with this Loretto Order. They have abandoned their habits and adopted ecological and social justice issues.

3 years ago, the Srs. of St. Joseph down the road, offered lenten reflections to parishioners in the local RC community. I will never forget reading in my parish bulletin, that their reflection for Good Friday was based on a seed emerging from the earth.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that these surrealistic religious orders are dieing. There is no lure to religious discipline, nor anything to distinguish them from the common man .... er, woman. They have lost their way and we should pray that they will rediscover the path before it is too late.

35 posted on 10/27/2006 4:56:24 PM PDT by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer

It can be difficult for a bishop to discipline a religious community, but this is a direct challenge to his authority that cannot simply be ignored.

Bishop Chaput is not the kind who will ignore it, either. I think they are going to pay a price for this blind hubris.


36 posted on 10/27/2006 5:09:30 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer
Cunningham said many Catholics disagree with the church's opposition to legalized abortion for "compassionate, faithful reasons."

Please Sister, explain to me what is compassionate and faithful about murdering unborn children?

37 posted on 10/27/2006 5:41:45 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: NYer
The letter also states, "We encourage respect for the moral adulthood of women and will choose legislators who will recognize the right of women to make reproductive decisions and receive medical treatment according to the rights of privacy and conscience."

I smell sulfur, womyn.

38 posted on 10/27/2006 5:43:58 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: dcnd9

"I do value the voice of the church hierarchy," Cunningham said. "But I don't find anything in the Gospels about abortion or gay marriage."

Just like every other C.I.N.O.!!

Yeah, doesn't it bug you that they throw up that bible argument? See now, where do we debate that endlessly? Even the good protestants here understand that Catholic teaching doesn't rely only on the holy written Word. Sheesh. And well, it does too mention those things. Sight has been taken away from these sisters. Their souls are in great danger and need our prayers


39 posted on 10/27/2006 6:27:27 PM PDT by SaintDismas (.)
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To: NYer

The women in that picture are nuns? Looks like a highschool reunion photo or something. They aren't nuns just bitter women. I so prefer habits. They make "gray-haired, dumpy" women look beautiful! :o)


40 posted on 10/27/2006 6:43:55 PM PDT by samiam1972 (Live simply so that others may simply live!)
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To: NYer

How can the be Nuns if they have excommunicated themselves?


41 posted on 10/27/2006 7:01:13 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: NYer

Is no one loyal to the organization they work for and/are part of anymore?


42 posted on 10/27/2006 7:05:22 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (I predict a Rep victory so painful to dims, that we are charged with animal cruelty to jackasses.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you for the statistics. You DID make my day.
I had never heard of this organization before.

I will pray for their enlightenment!


43 posted on 10/28/2006 12:13:27 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (The truth will set us free!)
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To: wequalswinner
The same people from the Catholic Left who say that "abortion and gay marriage are not mentioned in the Bible" would never use that same line of (non)reasoning to say that "nuclear weapons, torture, handguns and multiculturalism are not mmentioned in the Bible."

And rightly. Because every reasonable person knows that, while 21st century issues can't be looked up in the concordance, what you're really interested in is Biblical principles, not one-liner proof texts.

They also know, as Catholics, t hat the interpretation or application of Biblical texts is not something which is infallibly determined by each believer acting on his own. Scruipture itself says that the Church--- the Church--- is the "foundation and pillar of the Truth."

If they want to know God's evaluation of abortion, they can literally ask the Church.

44 posted on 10/28/2006 7:56:11 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credo in unum Deum,Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I stopped reading after:

"An organization of Catholic nuns whose leadership includes four Colorado women is urging Catholic voters to challenge church teachings against abortion and gay marriage while weighing a broad range of social issues on Election Day."

Nothing new here. Blah blah blah. I didn't notice any new postulants in the photo. Hmmm, I wonder why.


45 posted on 10/28/2006 8:30:43 AM PDT by goodform
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To: NYer

I thought religous took vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. Their remarks are certainly not obedient to church teachings (or to their bishop) and what's up with the jewelery? So much for poverty ...

I was watching a rerun of Mother Angelica Live the other day. It had been taped in 1994 and Mother was explaining that the Holy Father had asked that all religious go back to wearing the traditional habits, and that was why they were now wearning the traditional habit. Guess these gals lost the memo ...


46 posted on 10/28/2006 9:08:43 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: NYer

I thought religous took vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. Their remarks are certainly not obedient to church teachings (or to their bishop) and what's up with the jewelery? So much for poverty ...

I was watching a rerun of Mother Angelica Live the other day. It had been taped in 1994 and Mother was explaining that the Holy Father had asked that all religious go back to wearing the traditional habits, and that was why they were now wearning the traditional habit. Guess these gals lost the memo ...


47 posted on 10/28/2006 9:08:44 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: All

Sorry for the double post. My mouse is on the fritz.


48 posted on 10/28/2006 9:11:07 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: nanetteclaret
An old joke from my childhood in the early 60's, when good Catholic girls were going from working-class families into nice middle-class convents: the girl's dad looks around the place and says, "Jeeee-zus, Mary, and Joseph! If dis is poverty, I'd like ta see da chastity!"

I used to be a lay associate of the Order of St. Benedict, and I got a close-up view of this about 35 years ago. The OSB's and other "progressive" orders, in a rather evasive way, "kept" their vows but re-interpreted them. (This is comparable to "honoring" the Constitution as "a living document," ergo killing your baby is elevated from a criminal offense to a Constitutional right, etc.)

"Poverty" was transformed into "solidarity with the poor," often in an explicitly politicized way. It meant "the interesting poor." Poor blacks and Mexicans were interesting. Poor Cambodians and Vietnamese, refugees from Communist terror, were not interesting. Miskito Indians were interesting until Daniel Ortega decided they were counterrevolutionary, and then they were not interesting.

"Chastity" meant... hmm. As I recall, it meant being unmarried and having your primary "bondedness" to other women.

"Obedience" was primarily horizontal: solidarity with other progressive nuns; loyalty to your Prioress or Superior, especially if she was in conflict with Rome; scrupulous compliance with the new norms you just wrote last week, together with stern reprimands toward refractory traditionalists who didn't seem to be getting with the program. This punctilious form of "obedience" was salient during the Great Pronoun Reformation: "Mary Margaret, our new rubrics do not allow the use of masculine pronouns for the Divine! Holy Obedience!"

The only cheerful and encouraging thing you can say about this, is that it is suicidal.

49 posted on 10/28/2006 10:16:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: NYer

These bringers of damnation need to kick their butts kicked out of the Church pronto.


50 posted on 10/28/2006 2:48:35 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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