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St. Peter and Rome
Catholic Exchange.com ^ | 11-15-04 | Amy Barragree

Posted on 10/27/2006 8:14:39 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Uncle Chip
Where's their evidence that Peter was not the Bishop of Antioch?

I'll bet the Vatican knows!

141 posted on 10/28/2006 7:12:19 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: 1000 silverlings
The tribes were assimilated into other cultures by then, in fact, were probably considered Gentiles.

Bingo!

142 posted on 10/28/2006 7:14:23 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

Yippee! Did I win the pot? I bet 2 dollars if not more's in it!


143 posted on 10/28/2006 7:15:22 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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To: Uncle Chip
Do you ever read "Debka.com"?

I have in the past....but not on a regular basis. Why? What's up?

144 posted on 10/28/2006 7:17:39 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: 1000 silverlings
Peter got around. He went Ireland where they called him "Patrick" (no doubt from Pater and Bishopric) where he chased all the snakes out. From there he went to Scotland where he was called "Paddy" and they named wagons after him. Gold tablets found in the Americas reference... well you get the picture.

He had those happy feet and was fast in his old age, I hear. He hustled all the way from the Babylon in 67AD to Rome at the age of what 75 in a few short months just to be there for all the fun and festivities, torchlight parades and all. He should have fired his tour guide.

145 posted on 10/28/2006 7:18:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Where's their evidence that Peter was not the Bishop of Antioch?

There's no evidence for that from the Bible, either, is there. :-0

However, not only do we not wish to provide any evidence that Peter was not the Bishop of Antioch, we'll positively insist that he was the Bishop of Antioch ... before he turned over that See to another man, and went to Rome.

146 posted on 10/28/2006 7:18:22 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Uncle Chip

Ah, that must be where we got Peter Rabbit from


147 posted on 10/28/2006 7:20:11 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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To: Iscool
Since there became 2 copies of Ignatius' Epistles (one set where there is no mention of the Catholic church), which ones are you referring to???

How about the Syriac version here, translated by Protestant Phillip Schaff, on the CCEL website hosted by the Protestant Calvin College.

148 posted on 10/28/2006 7:23:57 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion
However, not only do we not wish to provide any evidence that Peter was not the Bishop of Antioch, we'll positively insist that he was the Bishop of Antioch ... before he turned over that See to another man, and went to Rome.

So then you disagree with that great Catholic scholar F.A. Sullivan who insists that Apostles were never Bishops and vice versa?

149 posted on 10/28/2006 7:24:23 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Actually, now that I think about it, being a bishop would be a reduction in rank for an Apostle. Apostles got their authority from Christ, bishops got theirs from the Apostles.


150 posted on 10/28/2006 7:29:24 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Ah, that must be where we got Peter Rabbit from

Yes, since he probably died in Babylon shortly after writing his last Epistle from there, he became known as the "Eastern Bunny". And people say that there is nothing Christian about bunny rabbits and Easter or is it Eastern?

151 posted on 10/28/2006 7:32:49 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
So then you disagree with that great Catholic scholar F.A. Sullivan who insists that Apostles were never Bishops and vice versa?

I don't know who F. A. Sullivan is, and don't know why you think I should consider him authoritative.

It is true that the office of Apostle is superior to that of Bishop, so that St. Peter would hold the office of Bishop of Antioch while keeping all of his authority as an Apostle.

As for his position in Antioch, the 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia notes:

The later tradition, which existed as early as the end of the second century (Origen, "Hom. vi in Lucam"; Eusebius, "Hist. Eccl.", III, xxxvi), that Peter founded the Church of Antioch, indicates the fact that he laboured a long period there, and also perhaps that he dwelt there towards the end of his life and then appointed Evodrius, the first of the line of Antiochian bishops, head of the community. This latter view would best explain the tradition referring the foundation of the Church of Antioch to St. Peter.

152 posted on 10/28/2006 7:33:25 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion
Sorry, that should have read:

It is true that the rank of Apostle is superior to that of Bishop, so that St. Peter would hold the office of Bishop of Antioch while keeping all of his authority as an Apostle.

153 posted on 10/28/2006 7:35:46 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: 1000 silverlings

And holding two positions was frowned upon. How can you be bishop and apostle, and travel and reside in one place.


154 posted on 10/28/2006 7:41:49 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Campion; Uncle Chip

Why wasn't he just called Pope? Why "bishop" when the rank is lower?


155 posted on 10/28/2006 7:44:11 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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To: Campion
I don't know who F. A. Sullivan is, and don't know why you think I should consider him authoritative.

He's cited in the Catholic Encyclopedia and wrote From Apostles to Bishops

It is true that the office of Apostle is superior to that of Bishop, so that St. Peter would hold the office of Bishop of Antioch while keeping all of his authority as an Apostle.

Holding two offices at the same time was frowned upon in the Scriptures. An apostle was a travelling missionary and founded churches and moved on. Peter travelled around the area as an Apostle while James was probably a bishop or presbyter along with others in Jerusalem. If anyone was the first bishop of Antioch, it would have been Stephen or Barnabas. Does Eusebius mention them?

156 posted on 10/28/2006 8:00:05 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Running On Empty
That's ridiculous

Been around since 1998. Voice of experience. Glad to meet you Mr. August of 2006.

157 posted on 10/28/2006 8:10:30 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Campion
One other thing about that quote from Eusebius. Peter spent more time in Jerusalem than in Antioch. Why wouldn't Eusebius say that Peter founded the church of Jerusalem ---which he apparently did. If he was Bishop anywhere, he would have been the Bishop of Jerusalem not Antioch.

Do you think that Eusebius was trying to disguise Peter's Jewish heritage by linking him to Antioch rather than Jerusalem?

158 posted on 10/28/2006 8:18:00 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Syriac Fathers say Peter was Bishop of Antioch for 30 years

Please post the writings of the Syriac fathers that explicitly say Peter was the Bishop of Antioch for 30 years.

Post the actual writings,NOT protestant interpretations please.

159 posted on 10/28/2006 8:50:23 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi; Uncle Chip

Can you read Aramaic?


160 posted on 10/28/2006 8:55:07 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the Cross)
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