Skip to comments.REFORMATION SUNDAY (Reformed Caucus)
Posted on 10/29/2006 4:41:14 AM PST by Gamecock
The last Sunday in October is traditionally known as Reformation Sunday, in Protestant Churches, drawing from the date of October 31, 1517 when Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church in Germany, sparking the Protestant Reformation.
Martin Luther in Germany heralded the Biblical doctrine of justification through faith alone; salvation is by Gods grace alone, received through faith in Christ alone. Good works play no part in a persons salvation (Rom. 3:21 - 4:5; 5:1; Gal. 2:16; Eph. 2:8, 9; Phil. 3:9) but are merely the by-product, or fruit, of a relationship with God, established by Gods grace alone.
Following on from Luther, God raised up a Frenchman by the name of John Calvin to lead the growing Protestant movement. Both Martin Luther and John Calvin opposed the errors of the Roman Catholic Church concerning salvation, directing people to the truth of the Bible. Though definitely in agreement with the doctrine of justification by faith alone; John Calvin (based in Geneva, Switzerland) through both his preaching and his writings, systematically applied the message of the Bible to every aspect of life. Calvin's Institutes became the handbook of all the Reformers. Like Luther before him, Calvin believed in the Sovereignty of God, (in the doctrine of election and predestination, all that Calvin said was first said by Luther) and wanted society (as well as the church) to view the world through the lens of the Bible. He wanted the laws of the land to be conformed to and founded on biblical principles.
A broader view of history would reveal that the Reformation itself began long before Luther, when men like John Wycliffe (1329-1384) and John Hus (1373-1415) stood for the truth of God. Hus paid the ultimate price, a martyrs death, for doing so.
Wycliffe, with the help of his followers, called the Lollards, and many other scribes, produced dozens of English language manuscript copies of the scriptures. They were translated out of the Latin Vulgate, which was the only source text available at the time. He died a natural death. In 1415, the Council of Constance ordered his remains exhumed and burned. The order was not carried out until 1428, 44 years after his death.
William Tyndale c.14941536 also had a monumental role in translating the Bible for the English speaking world, and shared the same fate as Hus by being burnt at the stake.
These men were not only concerned with what the Scriptures taught, but that the common people had access to read the Bible in their own language. It would be a fair appraisal to see these men's efforts (under God) as foundational to the sweeping changes throughout Europe that Luther and Calvin would bring. Wycliffe, Hus and Tyndale built the bonfire, so to speak, and Luther simply lit the match and held it to the wood! The result - most of Europe was set ablaze with the biblical doctrines of grace.
The Reformers had 5 main slogans, all using the word "SOLA," which is the Latin word for "ALONE." It was this word "ALONE" that designated the true biblical Gospel and set it apart from all other pretenders. Urging a return to the Scriptures as the source of all truth, the cry of these Reformers was not simply FAITH!, GRACE!, CHRIST!, THE SCRIPTURE!, or THE GLORY OF GOD! (All embracing a false Gospel could do that.) But the cry was "FAITH ALONE!, GRACE ALONE!, CHRIST ALONE!, SCRIPTURE ALONE!, THE GLORY OF GOD ALONE!" With Scripture alone as the sure foundation, the Reformers affirmed that justification is by grace alone, received through faith alone because of Christ alone for the glory of God alone.
It is easy to see the need for the same correctives in our own day. These essential truths of the Bible are often blurred, ignored or even denied in the pulpits of our land. Yet, now is not the time to be feint of heart or to dilute or adjust the Gospel message under the pressure of the cultural relativism all around us. To be a friend of the world is to be an enemy of God. With the Reformers, let us contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. (Jude: 3) May each of our churches enjoy a Gospel centered, God exalting Reformation Sunday!
Thank you! It is a profound re-statement of the teachings of Jesus that still echoes after 489 years and has been a sure guide in the way to Heaven.
So what happened? The UK, Scandinavia, the Netherlands (to the worst possible extent), and Germany (not quite so much), are blazing, all right ... but that fire isn't "the biblical doctrines of grace," but a fire that comes from a totally different place.
Your "reformation" doesn't seem very healthy on its home turf anymore, does it? Instead of sending missionaries to convert Catholics in Latin America, maybe you need to be sending missionaries to convert the nominal Protestants in Amsterdam and London.
Many of those who held to those doctrines of Grace were chased out by the Roman Catholic Church. The result is the United States.
God always works through a remnant. Not all follow the truth, many just follow because it is cultural or of social benefit.
Not all of Israel were of God; not all of the visible small c catholic church are of God; not all that claim to be Christians are. Just as not all Protestants are Reformed. Not all that rejected the Catholic Falicies are Reformed, as in following the doctrines of the Reformers. The JW and Mormons may be Protestant, as in protesting the Old Roman beliefs, but not Reformed.
Just as in Anatolia, the once strong Bible Belt of the Christian Church, the faith is a shadow of its former self. Things change. You must agree not all that are Catholic are truly Catholic, no? Even in France, once a center of Catholicivity (tm), your church is failing, whilst the Evangelical church in the US is growing.
And again, this is a caucus thread. Light, not flame or keep out.
Not one word about this in church this morning, except what came from my mouth. Not pleased, but not surprised.
"Many of those who held to those doctrines of Grace were chased out by the Roman Catholic Church. The result is the United States."
There is no basis for this blasphemy?
"St. Bartholomew's Day massacre
"In what became known as the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre of 24 August 17 September 1572, Catholics killed thousands of Huguenots in Paris. Similar massacres took place in other towns in the weeks following, with an estimated total death toll of 110,000. An amnesty granted in 1573 pardoned the perpetrators."
Read your History of the U.S.
So, where in Scripture is "Reformation Sunday"?
Other than the Huguenots, about whom are you speaking?
The state churches in the Netherlands, Scandinavia, and the UK are all Protestant. Anyone who was "chased out" of those countries after about 1600 was "chased out" by professing Protestants. Catholicism was illegal in the UK until the 1820s, and illegal in, e.g., Sweden until the mid-1800's.
If you want to point out that most of the French Protestants came to America, that's true, but I wasn't talking about France. (Christianity, of any variety, has been in trouble in France since before the revolution.) I was talking about countries where the "reformation" triumphed, completely and totally.
There were plenty of recognizably Protestant Britons, Swedes, and Dutch in 1900. The didn't emigrate to the USA, and they weren't chased out by the bad old Catholics. Maybe you guys ought to try a little introspection for a change, and ask yourselves what happened.
As I pointed out, the Catholic Church in France has been in deep trouble since 1650 or so, and the rot accelerated after the revolution. The only reason France wasn't de-Christianized as effectively by 1850 as Russia was by 1980 was that the atheists were only really in charge for a few years, not over 70.
But more to the point, you know, the guys you're admiring on this thread called Catholicism the "synagogue of Satan". The True Faith [tm] ought to be able to do considerably better than a synagogue of Satan. Opining that the the "SofS" isn't too healthy herself doesn't cut it.
"So, where in Scripture is "Reformation Sunday"?
NO WHERE,THAT IS THE DAY LUTHER POSTED THE TRETISE AT WITTENBERG,SEE THE ARTICLE.
"Where is "5 SOLAS" stated in Scripture?"
SEE THE ARTICLE!
I'M SORRY THAT I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS THE QUESTION.
Scripture Alone. This was the fundamental point in dispute in the Protestant Reformation. It is taught in 2 Tim. 3:16-17; I Cor.4:6; Acts 17:11; Isa.8:20, etc.
Sola scriptura (Latin By Scripture alone) is one of five important slogans of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. It meant that Scripture is the only infallible rule for deciding issues of faith and practices that involve doctrines. The intention of the Reformation was to correct the Catholic Church by appeal to the uniqueness of the Bible's authority, and to reject Christian tradition as a source of original authority alongside the Bible or in addition to the Bible.
ARE YOU CATHOLIC OR JUST ASKING FOR EDIFICATION.
YOU CAN LOOK AT MY PROFILE PAGE TO SEE MY BACKGROUND.
Campion and adiaireton8 are ignoring the spirit of the Caucus.
I believe this is the second time Campion has done this, that I have noticed,
I would never think to go and disrupt any of the several Catholic devotional or caucus threads that show up daily. I can ignore them, and I guess asking for the same consideration is not realistic.
Please mighty Moderator, could you discuss this with them?
Challenges are not allowed on "closed" threads - which are treated like a closed door church meeting. Devotionals and prayer threads are closed. And any confession is welcome to designate a thread as a "caucus" in which case it will be closed - providing the thread is not being used to demean any other confession.
Do not make any further challenges on this caucus thread.
Would you be so kind as to please point out what makes this thread a devotional or prayer thread? I see nothing devotional nor do I see prayers being asked for or prayed.
any confession is welcome to designate a thread as a "caucus" in which case it will be closed - providing the thread is not being used to demean any other confession.
Does the following quote from the article not demean another confession? Both Martin Luther and John Calvin opposed the errors of the Roman Catholic Church concerning salvation,It appears to be flame-bait IMHO.
Why is it that the poster of post five was allowed to question where the "five solas" are in the Bible, but Catholics may not ask the same legitimate question?
Thank you in advnce for your answers.
To be a caucus, neither the article nor the replies are to be used as a staging ground to take pot shots at another doctrine.
The quote from the article is a belief of this doctrine ("Reformed") The quote does not rise to the level of a "pot shot" any more than a statement on an LDS caucus that it replaces all prior dispensations would rise to the level of a "pot shot". Both are fundamental to their doctrines.
Likewise, should a Catholic caucus declare the Catholic Church is the only true church or the body of Christ, that also would not rise to the level of a "pot shot."
And yes, members or other interested parties are welcome to discuss the article on a caucus. But if the caucus considers it out-of-line for a closed door church meeting, then it is and I will step in.
It is roughly the equivalent of someone walking into a church meeting. If it is ok with them, it's ok with me. If it is disturbing the assembly, I will stop it.
Posters should mount challenges against other doctrines on the "open" threads. There, all correspondents must suffer the adverse testimony and respond, respectfully.
Another point: caucus threads are usually ignored by members of other confessions and thus there are relatively few reply posts. Open threads, on the other hand, attract a lot of attention and often build into thousands of posts with several concurrent sidebars.
If you wish to defend your beliefs or challenge another's belief, use the open threads for a platform. But remember, open threads are a like a town square and the challenges can and often do, cause offense. So it pays to have a thick skin and good knowledge of the issues to engage on an open thread.
I do not consider your source to be all inclusive.
I WILL HELP IN ANY WAY I CAN.
A SPECIFIC QUESTION WOULD HELP.
I ASKED IF YOU WHERE CATHOLIC?
"I do not consider your source to be all inclusive."
INCLUSIVE OF WHAT?
The source Wikipedia is not reliable and the historical works have other versions and explanations than what was presented.
Basicly, inlclusive of the history of what happened in the referenced autrocity.
The response is to have the questioner silenced by management. I'd say that says more than any post I have ever made on any topic, anywhere.