Skip to comments.Memo from Los Angeles Archdiocese re: Communion/purification (Mahony Alert!)
Posted on 10/29/2006 3:04:31 PM PST by NYer
To: Pastors, Administrators, Deacons, Parish Staffs, and Principals
From: Msgr. Royal M. Vadakin, Moderator of the Curia/Vicar General
Date: October 27, 2006
Subject: Holy Communion: An Update
Cardinal Roger Mahony and the Auxiliary Bishops of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles would like all in the Archdiocese to be made aware of what follows in this update.
You may wish to share this with your parishioners and those who find this policy update clarifying and of assistance in the celebration of the Eucharist.
Cardinal Mahony and the Auxiliary Bishops of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles have received a letter written on Oct. 23 by Bishop William S. Skylstad, President of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, notifying bishops of a change in the indult -- or church permission -- in effect since 2002 which allows extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion to help cleanse cups and plates when there are not enough priests or deacons to do so.
According to his letter, Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, asked Pope Benedict XVI about the matter during a June 9 audience, and received a response in the negative.
Receiving Holy Communion under both kinds remains a more complete sign of the sacraments meaning and continues to be the norm in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Until Cardinal Mahony and the auxiliary bishops have the opportunity to discuss the new recommendations, both locally and at the general meeting of the USCCB in November, no changes will be made regarding the present policy for the distribution of Holy Communion and/or the purification of the sacred vessels.
In an October 12 letter to Bishop William Skylstad, the president of the US bishops' conference, the prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship reported that Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) ordered an end to the American practice. Cardinal Francis Arinze (bio - news) was responding to a request from the US bishops' conference, asking for approval to continue the policy.
Bishop Skylstad, in turn, wrote to all American bishops on October 23, informing them that "it will be necessary to inform all pastors that extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion may no longer assist with the purification of sacred vessels at Mass."
Although the General Instruction of the Roman Missal specifies that sacred vessels may be purified only by a priest or deacon, the American bishops had obtained an indult, or permission, to allow extraordinary ministers to assist in that role. This indult was intended to encourage more people to receive Communion under both kinds.
In his letter to Bishop Skylstad, Cardinal Arinze noted, "Sometimes, however, the high number of communicants may render it inadvisable for everyone to drink from the chalice." He recommended that the American bishops remind their people of the teaching from the Council of Trent, "that Christ is fully present under each of the species. Communion under the species of bread alone, as a consequence, makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace."
Bishop Skylstad, in conveying news of the Vatican decision to the American hierarchy, attached a list of questions and answers about the distribution of Communion, prepared by Bishop Donald Trautman, the chairman of the US bishops' liturgy committee. Bishop Trautman reminded his fellow bishops that the use of extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist is intended "exclusively for those instances where there are not enough ordinary ministers to distribute Holy Communion."
Cardinal Mahony is an evil, demonic pig.
So, in other words, Mahony is going to do whatever he wants, as per usual.
I guess no one got the memo at our Parish. After Communion the chalices are put on a tray, covered with each purificator. After the Body of Christ is put in to two ciboria (ciboriums) the remaining four are stacked and placed on the credence table along with the tray.
After Mass the sacristan of the week, cleans all of the chalices and ciboriums.
OTOH, we got a new priest two weeks ago. Actually he was here in the 90's as a Parochial Vicar. He's back as the Rector. We didn't think we would be getting another priest. This week our prayers were answered and we have a new Parocial Vicar, a Benedictine Monk. He wants very much to learn to do TLM. Yippee!
Well, according to Cardinal Mahony, who is of course the supreme arbiter in these matters (actually, I think its some kind of heresy or at any rate anathematized doctrinal error to say that communion under one species is not complete).
If they're going to give Communion under both species, I wish they'd use intinction, as the Eastern Rites do. But that would put the EEMS out of a job, and we couldn't have that.
Ahah, you found it! But that's Trent, and the good Cardinal (Mahony) believes that Trent is so yesterday. Trendy hipster that he is.
Seriously, I don't know how that man keeps his job.
In other words, "We'll just keep doing what we've been doing, because these directives couldn't possibly apply to us!"
It is called "satan" ...
You know they won't because that would restrict the 'freedom' of using EMHCs.
Communion in the Maronite Catholic Church is strictly by intinction. The priest dips the Consecrated host into the Precious Blood and places it on the tongue of the communicant with the words:
"The Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ is given to you for the remission of your sins and eternal salvation."
The communion line moves fairly quickly and most efficiently. All children who have not yet received the Sacrament of Holy Communion are blessed by the priest touching the communion cup to their head. Even the youngest child is privileged to receive this blessing. Father knows his congregation and recognizes visitors from the Middle East with the same words, spoken in Arabic.
While it is true that the earliest christians celebrated communion in the hand, they were also instructed to touch their eyes, nose and mouth with the Consecrated host before swallowing the Consecrated host. This practice is no longer practical in today's society. Communion by intinction eliminates all concerns of germ transmission. It is a beautiful and well celebrated practice in the East that should be adopted in the West.
Thank you, Maeve! I live in the archdiocese of Los Angeles and we must suffer him.
Even though I am not Catholic, I am appalled to see what he does to the Church.
"Until Cardinal Mahony and the auxiliary bishops have the opportunity to discuss the new recommendations, both locally and at the general meeting of the USCCB in November, no changes will be made regarding the present policy for the distribution of Holy Communion and/or the purification of the sacred vessels."
The way I read this every single Mass offered in the LA diocese which follows this directive is illicit.
It seems like, to these innovators, Vatican Council II replaced the Council of Trent, and nothing therein decreed any longer applies. Of course, they innovate all kinds of things never mentioned in VCII. The "spirit of", don't you know. How old IS Mahoney, anyway?
At the Catholic church I'm running away from, the sacristy is off the sanctuary, all the way in the back. The choir (myself included) is right next to it, and the only separation is a curtain. We hear the EMHCs back there crashing and banging as they wash the chalices and ciborii. They also chat and converse, quite oblivious to the fact that the mass continues on the other side of the curtain.
There are two churches I'm running TO, and both use intinction. One is Anglican use. The other uses intinction at the Latin NO, and the host only at the TLM. ALWAYS on the tongue in both places.
I think all of us need to pray for the re-conversion of Roger Cardinal Mahoney back to the real Catholic faith. We need to pray for our enemies.
"How old IS Mahoney, anyway?"
Not old enough. He has several years to go unless he gets indicted or something.
You can't run from or two the same Church. If one does not suit you, then that is your business. People at a parish are a problem, if the people at a Parish are rude like theat then leave.
I am more worried about heritical teaching in these Churches and where EE"M"Cs get a superiority complex with the Eucharist.
If you are making some point that either Church is invalid or departing from Catholicism it then becomes something to address.
No, it was only a figure of speech. I'm leaving because I can't suffer the homosexuality, the casual heresy, the EMOEs, the communion in the hand. The white wine. The lousy music (some of it is good but some is horrible). And so on.
I'm running toward two churches, one Anglican Use, the other very traditional. I love them both.
I'm a new Catholic. I can't stand up and denounce what I see at St. Annes. Not yet, anyway.
Oh, I get your point -- One Holy Catholic Church. Absolutely. Very much so. All three are Roman Catholic. I wouldn't consider anything else.
Again with the cups and plates. Cardinal "in full communion with Rome" Mahony.
"In the Episcopal church they used to say something I loved: "The Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ which was given for thee. Preserve thy body and soul unto everlasting life."
In the TLM they say (in Latin)
May the Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ preserve your soul unto eternal life.
I would guess this is where the Episcopal folks got it.
I think a lot of this pseudo-problem comes down to that. These gals (I know, there are guys, too) are vitally important to the modernist campaign to devalue the priesthood and take away its distinctiveness. But I think it goes beyond that, to turn into what is essentially an attack on the Sacrament itself. Denigrating the reality of the consecrated species by refusing to provide any special treatment is essentially just another way of trying to bring Catholic teaching in line with the Protestant "symbolic memorial meal" concept.
You're very fortunate to have such choices in your area! I had a horrible experience at the NO mass today that made me resolve never to go to another one, but I have few choices. There's an Old Mass about an hour away from me at 8:00 am - in an old downtown church with no community, with the Mass said (or whispered) by an ancient priest at top speed, the very sort of thing that brought on calls for reform. I may have to go to it, but it's not an ideal solution.
Satan sure looks after his own. Mahony seems to feel utterly confident that he can flout anything that comes from Rome, without consequence, and so far he seems to have gotten away with it.
It is called "satan" ...
Seriously. My trad priest thinks he is "gone", as in full scale voluntary possession.
It's now a "meal" dontchaknow. That "sacrifice" and cross was all so pre-Vat2 and we've all moved beyond that gory "body and blood" stuff.
Besides, it turned-off the protestants...//sarc off
Yes. I also see him as sort of the evil spider at the center of the web. So many of the bad guys in the church have been and are connected to him.
"I also see him as sort of the evil spider at the center of the web. "
I see him as Bernardin's ideological successor. He seemed to assume command of the Modernist movement in the U.S. subsequent to Bernardine's departure.
That is a good point, my dear Salvation. We must pray very fervently for his re-conversion and leave our prayers in God's hands. (Personally I believe he is possessed by the enemy and failing exorcism is lost.) Our prayers for him should also include prayers that any evil he seeks to do be thwarted and all such schemes confounded by the power of the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ.
"Well, I wouldn't call the Cardinal a friend, he's more like a business associate of ours."
I told our brand new Benedictine Priest that I would give up being an EOM for Latin. He smiled
"We are more Catholic than the Pope - no need to change a thing."
Scary photo -- was that from the old Millennium series?
LOL! By the way, I don't mean to imply that people who are "Eucharistic ministers" are doing so with bad motives. After all, we do what our church tells us to do. But I think the whole thing is very misleading, and I do believe that the thinking behind it is not sound, at best, and possibly deceitful and covering an ulterior motive, at worst. In my mind, this is confirmed by Mahony's determination to hang onto the EEMs, even encouraging them to go on doing something specifically forbidden by Rome.
yup. : D
That's my suspicion, too. It's also a step towards the "symbolic memorial" concept of the Eucharist. And of course the other thing it is designed to do is to get people accustomed to seeing women performing these functions.
I certainly hope Rome has a bigger plan to get a grip on the West Coast. It has been out of control for decades. BTW, am I the only one who remembers the big stand-off between Cdl McIntyre and the IHM's that was really the opening gun for a lot of this nonsense on the West Coast?
This is only slightly heretical. He's a modern day Hussite.
BTW - great Joan of Arc site. I didn't realize she had so much surviving correspondence...
That's silly. As much as I dislike Mahoney, attributing his continued reign to the power of Satan is - no offense intended - blasphemous. That's like saying Satan picked Judas to be an Apostle. It's especially troublesome when one considers that it's the pope's prerogative to either keep Mahoney as Cardinal or bust him down to "private". Now, I know you don't think that Pope Benedict is a tool for Satan, and I know you don't think that Jesus was doing Satan's will by not kicking Judas off the island before he could betray Our Lord.
Mahoney is a fact of life. Why does God allow this? Perhaps to remind us that not everyone in the Church is playing on the same team. Perhaps to spur orthodox Catholicism to stand its ground and bring the "experiments" to an end. But whatever we think of Mahoney, one thing is certain - he is serving God's purpose by being there, for the good of all. If/when it's time for Mahoney to go, he will be removed.