Skip to comments.CP representatives concelebrated with the excommunicated Filaret Denisenko
Posted on 11/16/2006 8:01:14 AM PST by kawaii
16 November 2006, 14:47 The Constantinople Patriarchate representatives concelebrated with the excommunicated Filaret Denisenko
Moscow, November 16, Interfax - The U.S. clergymen of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) of the Patriarchate of Constantinople concelebrated with the excommunicated leader of the Kievan Patriarchate Filaret Denisenko unrecognized in the Orthodox world.
With consent of metropolitan Konstantin Bagan and bishop Vsevolod Maidansky of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, Denisenko celebrated a requiem service for the soldiers of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army that fought on the Fascists side during the Great Patriotic War and also for the victims of golodomor (starvation) of the 1932-33.
Filaret celebrated in St. Andrews church in Bluemandaily, USA, together with the clergymen of the UOC of the Patriarchate of Constantinople led by the rector Bogdan Kalinyuk, press service of the self-proclaimed Kievan Patriarchate reported.
In his address to the worshippers Filaret called the starvation in several regions of the USSR in the 1930s a genocide against the Ukrainian nation. He conferred the Orders of St. Vladimir the Great upon archpriest Kalinyuk and members of his community.
During his visit to the USA the leader of the Kievan Patriarchate met with the head of the UOC of the Constantinople Patriarchate Metropolitan Konstantin in his residence where a dinner was given in Filarets honour.
Was wondering how you guys feel this relates to our previous talk about the EP [aledgedly] attempting to be an Orthodox Pope.
Perhaps we should address this issue to HH the EP?
What is HH?
I dunno asking the EP things seems futile, when letters from other sees have come to the EP on this issues they haven't been responded to.
I just don't see an upshot for Orthodoxy to meeting with a schismatic church which has staunchly stated its nationalistic (phyletistic) stance.
Well, then write to SCOBA.
"I just don't see an upshot for Orthodoxy to meeting with a schismatic church which has staunchly stated its nationalistic (phyletistic) stance."
I suspect you'll find, as with most things Ukrainian, that this has more to do with politics than ecclesiology, but Kosta's recommendation is good; write SCOBA and address the letter to +Demetrios with a copy to each of the represented hierarchs. Then find a good place on the internet to broadcast the letter if you get no response.
its a heck of a better idea.
Just wondering any of you DO see an upshot for orthodoxy in all this.
Seems to me promoting still more fragments in the already wildly fragmented East Europe does nothing for Orthodoxy.
Does do a lot as far as imprving the EP's apparent numbers though.
I have no dog in this fight, actually, but have tended to read things from the Ukrainians in the past, and as I remember it, many of them seem to see the UOC-KP problem as just a result of the more or less natural desire of the Ukrainians to be independent of Moscow and the MP, and Moscow's also natural annoyance at same. Interfax, being Russian, would favor Moscow's interpretation of things.
I am not capable of reproducing the history and justifications for the KP, but I think you can find them in part anyway on other web sites such as "Ukrainian Orthodoxy", a very interesting site not least because one of its principal writers is actually a Ukrainian Catholic, of the UGCC, that is, and so follows LUBOMYR, not FILARET or ALEXEY.
It's interesting to see the UOC-US priests concelebrating with FILARET as it suggests that the Ukrainian Orthodox are looking towards reunion among themselves. And of course, Moscow is in process of re-uniting with the ROCOR, too.
is the site I mentioned above.
It's undisputed that there was no UOC-KP until Philaret was defrocked.
So we have a church which is the result of a bishop rebeling against the will of his patriarch, and resulting in schism.
There is nothing Orthodox about this. Nor is there anything at all natural about wanting independance within the church.
I might note that SSPX wasn't just a 'natural need for independance' by Latin speakers either.