Posted on 11/17/2006 7:32:40 AM PST by NYer
If you are familiar with the "real" rules for introductions (when you introduce somebody TO somebody, instead of the other way around -- age, sex, rank, etc. and how those are reconciled) you can see how there is a difference between worship, devotion, and honor. If the honor due to somebody is important, then degrees of honor are important, too.
Conversely, how many times do you tell your spouse or your children that you love them more than life, that they are the most adorable, sweetest man (or little girl, or little boy) in the world? You're not worshipping them, you're just expressing your love. In the same way, when I call Mary "my life, my sweetness, and my hope" I am expressing my love and devotion to her -- not that she is somehow the equivalent of God.
Mary is due a special honor as having been chosen as worthy to carry God in her body for nine months and then to raise him until the time of his public ministry. That privilege is unique, and so is she.
SOOOOO Anglican!
I don't see how you can call formal prayer and charitable hyperbole "the same."
If I am competent to make fine distinctions, am I also not competent to identify the lack thereof?
Because it's true.
This is a non sequiter <=sp?
I don't think anyone claimed that they are the same. But why do you think that they are mutually exclusive?
-A8
Actually, NYer, I think that is objectionable, perhaps not for the role of the priest, but for its sensuality.
That was a direct quote.
But why do you think that they are mutually exclusive?
One does not teach solemn formulae to children with the expectation they'll know said formulae are "pet indulgences."
Similarly, why would St. Jude care if one published the assertion prayers through him "get it done."
I've never seen that before, but that's FUNNY!
Do you find your honor of your father and mother, or the honor of the angels and saints, or the honor of other honorable persons, and the adoration of God, to be a "distinction without a difference"?
I assume you'd say "No," you don't have a problem in general distinguishing honor from adoration. If that's the case --- and if you don't mind explaining --- what's the particular problem with Mary?
Cute ... In what country do they call it "Coke Lite"
No it wasn't.
One does not teach solemn formulae to children with the expectation they'll know said formulae are "pet indulgences."
Where did anyone claim that "solemn formulae" are "pet indulgences"?
Similarly, why would St. Jude care if one published the assertion prayers through him "get it done."
This sentence does not make sense to me, and does not even appear to be grammatical.
-A8
Non sequitur only applies to arguments, not claims. What murphE gave you was a claim. So, calling it a "non sequitur" is a category mistake.
-A8
I find the Catholic comportment toward Mary to be "adoration" while that toward God to be "fear and reverence."
I thought the Coke commercial was troublesomely sensual, too.
Come to think of it, I'm connecting it to a memory of mine from must be 35+ years ago.
We had this hip priest who had an annual Mass on the Beach. I don't remember that he was dressed inappropriately--- he might have had on proper vestments, or at least he was dressed modestly, with a stole --- but this gorgeous babe in a (whew) minimal swimsuit came up to him at the Pax and gave him a lingering, close hug. I think half the Mass-goers --- who were mostly wholesome family types ---stopped and stared, and then maybe averted their eyes. And I suspect the girl did it expressly to sexually tease the priest and make a spectacle of herself.
Pyro, seriously, I hope you can avoid this type of female. I'm praying for you!
LOL! Oh, my.
I can't make you understand what is clearly written above.
Right, she is talking about the Roman Catholic church. My only point is that catholic isn't exclusive to Roman Catholics.
Actually, I was raised Roman Catholic, and am now a Catholic. I asked the Lord Jesus to forgive my sins in 1981, and am a member of a local non-denominational Christian church.
I'm aware of St. John Bosco, but took my screen name from the chocolate drink powder.
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