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Whose soul is saved, and who gets roasted?
The Dallas Morning News ^ | November 18, 2006 | JEFFREY WEISS

Posted on 11/18/2006 8:12:35 PM PST by Alex Murphy

Who does go to hell?

Many people don't believe in hell at all. Non-Christian faiths have their own take, of course. Judaism, the religion that birthed Christianity, teaches of the eternal nature of the soul, a divine judgment, and a mostly undefined "World to Come." But specifics are left up to God.

Islam is more like Christianity, with concrete traditions of paradise and hell. Who ends up where is a matter of how well the person submitted to God's will while alive. Hindus and Buddhists believe in karma and reincarnation, so the evil done in one life is atoned for down the road – a road on earth.

Modern Christianity has many answers to who goes to hell. On the one extreme are universalists who say that a loving God could leave nobody in eternal torment. On the other are strict Calvinists who say that God picked a small elect for paradise before the world was created, and everyone else is simply stuck in the Handbasket to Hard Times.

The Christian discussion generally starts with this passage from the Gospel of John: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

But how does Jesus decide who he'll take to the father – and who he won't? Not every Christian claims to have a straight answer.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: assembliesofgod; calvinists; catholic; catholicism; hindu; india; islam; israel; nondenominational; pentecostal; presbyterian; southernbaptist; unitedmethodist
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1 posted on 11/18/2006 8:12:35 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

You mean this isn't hell?


2 posted on 11/18/2006 9:04:12 PM PST by newzjunkey (Speaker Pelosi thanks you dear cannibalistic conservatives.)
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To: Alex Murphy

3 posted on 11/18/2006 9:25:00 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE; Alex Murphy

Icon of The Final Judgment


4 posted on 11/19/2006 3:43:21 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
The two prior responses visually depict rather nicely the temperamental difference between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
5 posted on 11/19/2006 6:01:59 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Kolokotronis
The saved

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The Damned

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The too-close-to-call-but-it-doesn't-look-good...

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6 posted on 11/19/2006 8:38:57 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
William Blake's, The Last Judgement.

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7 posted on 11/19/2006 8:41:29 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Kolokotronis; sitetest; BlackElk
I really do love the Last Judgement as described in Matthew 25. I think many of us who judge ourselves as saved will be surprised while many who think they might not consider themselves saved will be joyous.

I have been googling for a photo of a sculpture by Gian Lorenzo Bernini. It is a photo of a sculpture called "A young man damned." Bernini could communicate such dynamism with stone it was chilling. The man had just been judged and it appeared the flesh on his face was trying to flee from the very bone structure supporting it. The every first time I saw the photo that image was chiseled into my memory. It is still there. Although it hasn't stopped me from sinning, it has popped-up at times when I needed to have the image before the eyes of my memory to redirect my feet to Penance and back to my walk with Jesus.

If you or anyone you know can find a photo of this sculpture let me know. I had it once but lost it and it is the most remarkable piece of sculpture. I don't think there is any doubt he is the master of Masters

8 posted on 11/19/2006 8:52:53 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Alex Murphy
Heaven and Hell: What Does the Bible Really Teach?

What Happens After Death?

9 posted on 11/19/2006 9:35:22 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: bornacatholic
I have been googling for a photo of a sculpture by Gian Lorenzo Bernini. It is a photo of a sculpture called "A young man damned."

"A Soul Damned" by Bernini.

10 posted on 11/19/2006 9:42:27 AM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: bornacatholic
Here?

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/B/bernini/bernini_anima.jpg.html
11 posted on 11/19/2006 10:01:27 AM PST by jcharmony
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To: Alex Murphy

This article is not suprising to come out because at this time of year, with the Christian church calander winding down of another year ( Advent starts in a few weeks ), the tradition in the RC Church to pray for the dead, and also of the times we are living in would bring interest in this special subject.


12 posted on 11/19/2006 11:04:01 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: DouglasKC

Are you trying to tell me that the old Chinese man who died, as a missionary was frantically pedaling his way up a mountain trail on his bicycle, is not going to hell forever? The missionary had heard of the old man's plight, but because of a flat tire could not make it to the village before the old man died. The old man, unfortunately, had never heard the word of God.

This is certainly an eyeopener!


13 posted on 11/19/2006 11:54:54 AM PST by Diego1618
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To: Bainbridge
"The two prior responses visually depict rather nicely the temperamental difference between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy."

Ho! So true!

I've always said that if you want true doctrine, you can either get 2 closely-reasoned paragraphs from the Catholic Catechism, or 10 minutes of incense-scented chanting from the Orthodox Liturgy.

14 posted on 11/19/2006 12:04:40 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Enchanting.)
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To: Bainbridge
"The two prior responses visually depict rather nicely the temperamental difference between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy."

Ho! So true!

I've always said that if you want true doctrine, you can either get 2 closely-reasoned paragraphs from the Catholic Catechism, or 10 minutes of incense-scented chanting from the Orthodox Liturgy.

15 posted on 11/19/2006 12:04:45 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Enchanting.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

"I've always said that if you want true doctrine, you can either get 2 closely-reasoned paragraphs from the Catholic Catechism, or 10 minutes of incense-scented chanting from the Orthodox Liturgy."

I'm going to steal that line!


16 posted on 11/19/2006 1:59:51 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A flow chart as an explanation of metaphysics?
I am afraid I do not find that something to be pleased with.


17 posted on 11/19/2006 6:08:12 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Alex Murphy
What about the souls that need to be cleansed in Purgatory?
18 posted on 11/19/2006 6:13:28 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alex Murphy
Required for entrance to Purgatory? Personal question for Cathloic Freepers.

(Protestant) Minister Who Had Near-Death Episode Believes In Purgatory

Straight Answers: What Is Purgatory Like?

Do Catholics Believe in Purgatory?

Purgatory, Indulgences, and the Work of Jesus Christ (Discussion)

Prayer to Release the Souls of Purgatory

The Forgotten Souls in Purgatory

Praying for the dead [Purgatory]

19 posted on 11/19/2006 6:30:49 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Biggirl

**the tradition in the RC Church to pray for the dead**

The entire month of November is dedicated to praying for the dead.


20 posted on 11/19/2006 6:32:48 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: murphE

Excelelent chart. Think I'll steal that! Source?


21 posted on 11/19/2006 6:36:41 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Not sure, I just googled 4 Last things.
22 posted on 11/19/2006 7:05:21 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: jude24; bornacatholic; Alex Murphy
She's waiting!


23 posted on 11/19/2006 7:36:31 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

Ewwww.....


24 posted on 11/19/2006 7:40:09 PM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24

Repent, repent before it's tooooo late.


25 posted on 11/19/2006 8:09:51 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

Thankfully, that's one thing I don't need to repent of.


26 posted on 11/19/2006 8:11:23 PM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: Bainbridge
"A flow chart as an explanation of metaphysics? I am afraid I do not find that something to be pleased with."

Aesthetic objection?

Actually, a flow chart, a poem, an icon, a Scholastic exercise in argument/counterargument, a dogmatic definition, a children's catechism answer, a bumper sticker, etc. can all be true, and must all be considered inadequate and limited, because they are different ways to express different aspects of the truth.

A flow chart can be true, but it's never exhaustive.

27 posted on 11/20/2006 6:59:01 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Veritatis Splendor.)
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To: murphE

That sort of flow-chart has always bothered me, in that it could be interpreted to suggest Purgatory as a final destination ... which we know not to be correct. One does not go "to" Purgatory in the same final sense that one goes "to" Heaven or Hell. One goes "through" purgatory, as a possible road "to" Heaven.


28 posted on 11/20/2006 7:11:19 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Bainbridge; Mrs. Don-o; Kolokotronis
A flow chart as an explanation of metaphysics? I am afraid I do not find that something to be pleased with.

Then go for the incense-scented chanting ... different ways of saying the same thing. ;'}

29 posted on 11/20/2006 7:16:09 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jude24

Smashing, brother. Thank you. Where'd ya find it? I've been looking for that forever...


30 posted on 11/20/2006 12:10:25 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Bainbridge

While it may not appeal to everyone, that sort of chart can make the complex understandable


31 posted on 11/20/2006 12:14:29 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
Where'd ya find it? I've been looking for that forever...

I used Wikipedia to find the "technical" name for the piece, and then googled for the image.

32 posted on 11/20/2006 1:39:07 PM PST by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: ArrogantBustard; bornacatholic; Bainbridge; Mrs. Don-o; jude24

Until I saw the Bernini bust, I was partial to the icon, but after seeing that face....


33 posted on 11/20/2006 4:26:35 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Salvation
I don't believe in purgatory myself, but I do believe in Heaven and Hell. I know many Churches now say there is no hell, but as a former Baptist, I had fire and brimstone scorched into me for years!
34 posted on 11/20/2006 4:37:29 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: jcharmony

Yeah. Thanks for searching, brother. Not finding it was driving me crazy


35 posted on 11/21/2006 1:50:28 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: ladyinred; Salvation

I don't believe in purgatory myself, but I do believe in Heaven and Hell.
I know many Churches now say there is no hell, but as a former Baptist,
I had fire and brimstone scorched into me for years!

34 posted on 11/20/2006 5:37:29 PM MST by ladyinred

I'm like you,
I believe that the blood of the "Lamb of G-d" is sufficient to cover all sins.
I also believe that both Y'shua and Rav Paul say any sin no matter how small
is cause for condemnation to Hell.

Only the Blood of Y'shua can save.

I am a "blood washed " sinner.
b'shem Y'shua
36 posted on 11/21/2006 8:12:03 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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