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Rick Warren on Syria: 'A moderate country'
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 26, 2006

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:39:52 PM PST by Gamecock

I am much obliged to Bruce Delay, a talk-show host at KFAQ 1170 in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for downloading the audio version of Rick Warren's YouTube video, recorded while in Syria.

Now, keep in mind, Warren has been telling the world he was misquoted by the Syrian press when he extolled the virtues of the totalitarian police state.

But before anyone questioned his statements, Warren's Saddleback Church had recorded him as he strolled down a Damascus street explaining what a peaceful and tolerant place Syria really is.

As soon as I hotlinked to the YouTube video last week and questioned Rick Warren about it, the church yanked it. I didn't have time to download a copy, but, thankfully, one johnny-on-the-spot talk-show host did.

You may not be able to see it, but you can at least hear it. Here is a word-for-word transcript of what Warren said in the 50-second video:

"Syria's a place that has Muslims and Christians living together for 1,400 years. So it's a lot more peaceful, honestly, than a lot of other places because Christians were here first.

"In fact, you know Saul of Tarsus – Saul was a Syrian. St. Paul, on the road to Damascus, had his conversion experience and so Christians have been here the longest, and they get along with the Muslims and the Muslims get along with them. There's a lot less tension than in other places.

"It's a moderate country, and the official government rule and position is not to allow any extremism of any kind."



It's not a press release from the Syrian government that Rick Warren can deny. He didn't make these remarks under duress. He spoke these words of his own free will. By the way, this audio clip is not taken out of context. It represents the entire content of what Rick Warren and his team produced, posted on YouTube, then removed once I linked to it and questioned him about it in an e-mail.

It's not a case of someone twisting his words. Rather, it's a case of twisted ideas expressed in words.

Let's analyze this statement carefully.

When Warren suggests Christians were in Syria first, he's certainly forgetting the progenitor of monotheism – Judaism. He rightly claims Saul as a Syrian. But Saul was not a Christian. He was a Jew until that Damascus road conversion. It's not a technicality. It is more than worth noting that someone who praises Syria, one of the most viciously anti-Semitic regimes in the world, claims Christians, not Jews, were there first.

Then Warren moves into this Muslim-Christian brotherhood sophistry. The only way Christians get along with Muslims in an officially Muslim country is by accepting the role in Islam known as "dhimmi." Think of the dhimmi life as religious apartheid. It's a good analogy. Christians are not free to evangelize Muslims. In a civil dispute between a Muslim and a Christian, the Christian's word is worth less than nothing.

Rick Warren demonstrates his complete ignorance of the subtle repression Christians face in the role of dhimmi. Perhaps he hasn't been briefed on the phenomenon by the Council on Foreign Relations, from which he claims his expertise on the Middle East.

Again, Warren neglects even to mention the Jews – the pathetically small community of Jews in Syria who have historically been subjected to barbaric pogroms to keep its members in line and to give the average Syrian Muslim an artificial feeling of superiority.

Less tension? Let me explain how Warren's buddy, dictator Bashar Assad, manages to keep peace and tranquility. Secret police. Wiretapping. Torture. Political prisoners. Death squads.

Bashar's father, Hafez, was the master at heavy-handed Big Brother tactics. When the citizens of Hama rose up to challenge his authority in February 1982, Assad sent in Syrian troops to massacre between 10,000 and 25,000 civilians. The town was paved over and marked permanently to ensure that others would learn the terrible lesson.

It worked. There's been "peace," as Rick Warren would call it, ever since. There's been a lot less "tension," as he would put it.

Lastly, Rick Warren says: "It's a moderate country, and the official government rule and position is not to allow any extremism of any kind."

Where does one even begin answering such a lie?

True, the Assads simply crush any extremism that threatens their tyrannical rule. But Syria plays ball with the terrorists by allowing them to use Syria – and neighboring Lebanon – as staging grounds under the proviso they do not subvert the Assad regime. That's why Syria serves as the headquarters for more terrorist organizations than any other country in the world – yet experiences little of its own.

My goal is not to beat a dead horse with Rick Warren's trip to Syria. My goal is to bring understanding and truth to an issue that has been perversely distorted by Rick Warren.

And I have to note that Rick Warren has been deceitful about the nature of this trip and the content of his statements from the beginning. Last week, after I first challenged him about the trip, he denied making any statements like this. He claimed his words were misrepresented by the Syrian government. When I asked him if he made any recordings while there that could help clear his name, he said he did not.

Yet, not only did he indeed record something, but what he recorded affirms the essence of what the Syrian government claimed Warren told officials. Warren's church posted that recording on YouTube and pulled it down only after it was cited as evidence of his mischievous activities in Syria.

In other words, Rick Warren seems to want to be everything to everyone. He seems to want to please the whole world – everyone, that is, except the voiceless victims of tyranny, anti-Christian persecution and anti-Jewish bigotry in Syria.


TOPICS: Activism; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: evangelical; pdl; rickwarren; saddlebackchurch; warren
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1 posted on 11/26/2006 10:39:54 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for the post and links.


2 posted on 11/26/2006 10:41:21 PM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: Alex Murphy; topcat54; HarleyD; The Ghost of FReepers Past; wmfights; Revolting cat!; ...
Follow-up ping.

Anyone up for sponsoring a Rick Warren ping list?
3 posted on 11/26/2006 10:48:59 PM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: Gamecock; drstevej; Jean Chauvin; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; jboot; AZhardliner; ...

RICK WARREN PING LIST?


4 posted on 11/27/2006 4:00:22 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: Gamecock; dennisw; Jeremiah Jr; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; dighton
Then Warren moves into this Muslim-Christian brotherhood sophistry.

Purpose-Driven Dhimmi ping.

5 posted on 11/27/2006 4:04:50 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Gamecock

"Purpose Driven Jihad"

Hopefully RW will fade away as yesterday's fool and yesterday's fad...

If we see him gaining in influence, he'll be worth having his own ping list.


6 posted on 11/27/2006 4:27:44 AM PST by fishtank
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To: Gamecock; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Buggman; Revelation 911

While I thought PDL was ~mostly harmless~ fluff, it does appear that Warren has jumped the shark.


7 posted on 11/27/2006 4:38:20 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I am concerned that Warren was quoted as saying that he did not tape/record a certain statement about Syria, and that such a tape/record was later found. Perhaps he was unaware of the taping, but the truth is that the statement preserved is damning. It appeared that he truly did side with the Syrians.


8 posted on 11/27/2006 4:56:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

In Warren's defense, I think he was naive and saw only what he wanted to see. A new market for his books.


9 posted on 11/27/2006 5:11:10 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gamecock; redgolum
"In other words, Rick Warren seems to want to be everything to everyone.?

This is nothing new. When Warren is with Baptists, he says he is a Baptist. When he is before a different denomination he denies he is a Baptist. Go figure.

I think post #9 hits the nail on the head: Warren saw only what he wanted to see -- a new market for his books and teaching materials.

10 posted on 11/27/2006 5:30:23 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Sure why not?


I sure wish his 15 minutes was up


11 posted on 11/27/2006 5:49:15 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
RICK WARREN PING LIST?

Is Rick Warren that important to you?

12 posted on 11/27/2006 5:53:27 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: All

I'd think Paul would have been Turkish, not Syrian.


13 posted on 11/27/2006 5:56:49 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Gamecock
In other words, Rick Warren seems to want to be everything to everyone.

YA THINK? Like so many others, fame and FORTUNE have changed the man and moved him to compromise in many, many areas of his "ministry".
14 posted on 11/27/2006 7:01:43 AM PST by no dems (Duncan Hunter for Prez / Tony Snow for VEEP in '08)
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To: Sloth
If Paul was from Turkey, then he was a dispersed Jew. The Jews in the N.T. were racially Jewish not merely proselytes.
15 posted on 11/27/2006 7:05:41 AM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Fair and Balanced)
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To: Corin Stormhands

"Whenever a half truth is presented as the whole truth, it becomes an untruth." - Keith Green, "What's Wrong With The Gospel?"


16 posted on 11/27/2006 7:08:10 AM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Fair and Balanced)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for the information. Is Warren in over his head or is he "simple", stupid, devious or greedy?


17 posted on 11/27/2006 7:09:23 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: P-Marlowe
Is Rick Warren that important to you?

No.

But bad teaching should be important to all of us.

Are you a Warren apologist?


Why don't you find yourself a nice cup of decaf coffee somewhere and relax.

18 posted on 11/27/2006 7:54:28 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: Gamecock
Joseph Farrah is a hypocrite. Here is a man who went on a one year rant about Y2K. When Y2K turned out to be hype sold by snake oil salesmen, Farrah's defense was that he consulted well known theologian Tim LaHaye. However, I did not see refunds offered for all the Y2K profits on World Net Daily.
On the other hand, Warren has set up three foundations through which to distribute 90 percent of the proceeds from the book back into global ministry. Warren paid back salary to his home church before the book was published and refuses a salary.
I am not a Warren apologist, I think if he made these comments they were wrong. Additionally, in some places in his book he "stretched" theology to fit a thesis. However, I would put his theology and sanity up against Farrah's any day of the week.
19 posted on 11/27/2006 7:55:34 AM PST by 11th Commandment
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To: Gamecock

Thank you!


20 posted on 11/27/2006 8:03:18 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Gamecock
You might be interested in the last two paragraphs of this. It's not about the Syria incident, but it is about Warren.
21 posted on 11/27/2006 8:07:35 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: xzins
Perhaps he was unaware of the taping

He was not unaware because the crew taping him was the crew he brought with him from Saddleback. This guy takes a camera crew everywhere he goes to record his every move.

So, since he was not unaware and since he claimed that his statements had not been recorded I would say that makes Rick Warren a liar.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits......Mat 7:15-16
22 posted on 11/27/2006 8:13:47 AM PST by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: 11th Commandment
I am not a Warren apologist,

Yes you are.

I think if he made these comments they were wrong.

These comments are not just wrong - they are wilfull lies

Additionally, in some places in his book he "stretched" theology to fit a thesis.

That would make him a false teacher then wouldn't it.

However, I would put his theology and sanity up against Farrah's any day of the week.

So you're saying that a lying false teacher isn't so bad when compared to a hypocrite.
23 posted on 11/27/2006 8:21:23 AM PST by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: Gamecock
No. But bad teaching should be important to all of us. Are you a Warren apologist?

Once upon a time, Warren was criticized for failing to include any references to "Hell" or "eternal punishment. His apologists claimed that the Apostle Paul's epistles never use the word "Hell", and that since Paul never makes reference to "eternal punishment" or "eternal damnation", Rick Warren was preaching the same gospel as the Apostle Paul and couldn't be faulted.

While those same apologists had no qualms about defending Warren's theology from doctrinally orthodox challenges, they took Warren off their "protected species list" when his politics disagreed with theirs (claiming that the U.S. was engaging in "severe human rights abuses" at Gitmo, etc, among other issues), and they've stopped apologizing for Warren in toto ever since. Well, up until now, anyway.

One has to wonder what's more important to these (former)Warren apologists - theology, or politics?

24 posted on 11/27/2006 8:32:31 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; P-Marlowe
One has to wonder what's more important to these (former)Warren apologists - theology, or politics?

Interesting question. I suppose to our Pretrib friends would be mighty uncomfortable if anyone takes a position other than 110% pro Israel.

FWIW, I heard that Calvary Chapel has washed their hands of the PDLTM Lifestyle(R). Something about it being contemplative?

Is that true Marlowe? What's your take on that?

25 posted on 11/27/2006 8:44:03 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: Sloth

The Turks were nowhere near Asia Minor at the time.


26 posted on 11/27/2006 8:47:03 AM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: The Lumster

I can't wait for Warren's pronouncements on North Korea (if he still goes there next year). NOT! The man is a complete, man-pleasing fraud.


27 posted on 11/27/2006 9:16:27 AM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: Cecily; Gamecock
I can't wait for Warren's pronouncements on North Korea

You may not have to wait too long. From August 28th of this year...

"I have been encouraged by the church in South Korea to take any opportunity I can to speak in North Korea. There was an invitation for me to come to North Korea next year and speak at the 100th anniversary of the Pyongyang revival. The committee invited me to come and be a part of that."

28 posted on 11/27/2006 9:25:15 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: P-Marlowe; drstevej; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; jboot; ...

ONE OF THE STUDIES TO COME OUT OF SADDLEBACK WAS "CELEBRATE RECOVERY".

I WAS ASKED TO TEACH THE SEGMENT WITH "NO" BIBLES ALLOWED!

P.M.,PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT R.W.,YOU ARE MUCH SMARTER THEN THAT.

7 SOLAS!


29 posted on 11/27/2006 11:04:36 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: Gamecock

I've been folowing this story on WND. Thanks for posting this.


30 posted on 11/27/2006 11:53:38 AM PST by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: alpha-8-25-02; Gamecock; fishtank
RICK WARREN PING LIST?

i second the motion. Discussion?

31 posted on 11/27/2006 12:30:48 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

I mentioned on another thread that perhaps it should be a more inclusive ping list? i.e. a Best Selling Mega Church Ping List.

Thoughts?


32 posted on 11/27/2006 12:33:45 PM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

i would love to be added to any risk warren ping list!


33 posted on 11/27/2006 12:34:26 PM PST by Halls (God, please grant me the serenity to accept what I can not change....)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock
One has to wonder what's more important to these (former)Warren apologists - theology, or politics?

And many of the same people have the audasity to say that the Reconstructionists are political. Yeah, real good discernment on their part, eh?

34 posted on 11/27/2006 12:35:56 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: Gamecock; alpha-8-25-02; Alex Murphy; Terriergal; TommyDale
I mentioned on another thread that perhaps it should be a more inclusive ping list? i.e. a Best Selling Mega Church Ping List.

Thoughts?

i think that such a list should be open to critics and defenders. While it is probably asking for trouble, i have tried to be both balanced and focused in criticism of Warren. Getting another side gives us accurate information from which to make judgements.

35 posted on 11/27/2006 12:41:37 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
I WAS ASKED TO TEACH THE SEGMENT WITH "NO" BIBLES ALLOWED!

That just Boggles the Mind!

Clouds they are, Without Water, Carried About of Winds; Trees whose Fruit Withereth; Without Fruit. (Jd.1:12)

36 posted on 11/27/2006 12:46:13 PM PST by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Gamecock; Terriergal; Sue Perkick

My personal opinion is that it doesn't matter, as long as we have the right to point out the truth.


37 posted on 11/27/2006 12:46:50 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
P.M.,PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT R.W.,YOU ARE MUCH SMARTER THEN THAT.

I don't "support" Rick Warren. Quite frankly I think he is an idiot. But I don't believe he is worthy of a ping list. He has jumped the shark and is engaged in some very questionable political causes and religious traditions.

I think he gets too much attention. I also think that he has become a boogeyman of sorts among many here at Free Republic. He wrote a book. He started a fad. The book will burn and the fad will fade. The mission of the Church will be undaunted and Christ will be glorified regardless of what Rick Warren does.

Please, don't start a ping list.

38 posted on 11/27/2006 12:50:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; alpha-8-25-02; Gamecock; fishtank
RICK WARREN PING LIST?

Perhaps it could be called the Ping Driven List?

39 posted on 11/27/2006 1:02:58 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; alpha-8-25-02; Gamecock; fishtank
Best Ping Driven Life Now List?

That way we could combine Warren and Osteen!

40 posted on 11/27/2006 1:20:15 PM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: The Lumster
So you're saying that a lying false teacher isn't so bad when compared to a hypocrite.

No for two reasons: first you used the word "false teacher" not me- that is a straw man on your part; second, is Farrah is trying to point out some big conspiracy with Warren, his history with conspiracies is not too good. If you don't believe me, I have some friezed dried Y2K food I would like to sell you.

41 posted on 11/27/2006 1:22:19 PM PST by 11th Commandment
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To: Alex Murphy; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; alpha-8-25-02; Gamecock; fishtank
Best Ping Driven Life Now List?

That way we could combine Warren and Osteen!

Not something that one would want to attempt to say quickly or multiple times.

42 posted on 11/27/2006 1:25:30 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
Did they put it in writing for you to teach at saddleback with no bible's allowed?

I have a hard time believing that..


Not that I don't believe you Alpha; but No bibles in a Recovery class?

What was it a Recovery from? Christianity?
43 posted on 11/27/2006 1:51:42 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
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To: Rightly Biased; drstevej; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; jboot; ...

"To: alpha-8-25-02
P.M.,PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT R.W.,YOU ARE MUCH SMARTER THEN THAT.
I don't "support" Rick Warren. Quite frankly I think he is an idiot. But I don't believe he is worthy of a ping list. He has jumped the shark and is engaged in some very questionable political causes and religious traditions.

I think he gets too much attention. I also think that he has become a boogeyman of sorts among many here at Free Republic. He wrote a book. He started a fad. The book will burn and the fad will fade. The mission of the Church will be undaunted and Christ will be glorified regardless of what Rick Warren does.

Please, don't start a ping list.


38 posted on 11/27/2006 12:50:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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FOR THIS TIME,I AGREE WITH MARLOWE!

"To: alpha-8-25-02
Did they put it in writing for you to teach at saddleback with no bible's allowed?

I have a hard time believing that..


Not that I don't believe you Alpha; but No bibles in a Recovery class?

What was it a Recovery from? Christianity?

43 posted on 11/27/2006 1:51:42 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
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I NEVER TEACH WITHOUT MY SWORD,THOUGH WARREN'S TEACHER'S GUIDES ADVISE AGAINST IT!

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2 Timothy 3:17
that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 4:1
I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

2 Timothy 4:4
and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:5
But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
(NKJV)

7 SOLAS!


44 posted on 11/27/2006 4:15:38 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: Rightly Biased; alpha-8-25-02
Did they put it in writing for you to teach at saddleback with no bible's allowed? I have a hard time believing that..

Our church just began its first "Purpose Driven Life" class. The instructions are to bring the book and not the Bible. The congregation was told "they won't be needed for this class."

45 posted on 11/27/2006 4:26:34 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Was there a "Cry Havok! and Let Loose the Dogs of War(ren)?"

(sorry)

Purpose Driven Drivel. The purpose is to drive God out of the church. Gah!


46 posted on 11/27/2006 4:57:05 PM PST by Ottofire (O great God of highest heaven, Glorify Your Name through me)
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To: redgolum
I think he should be brought up on Treason charges.
47 posted on 11/27/2006 5:44:38 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The instructions are to bring the book and not the Bible. The congregation was told "they won't be needed for this class."

You'll be taking it anyway I trust, if ye be going at all.

48 posted on 11/27/2006 5:52:39 PM PST by Lee N. Field
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To: Lee N. Field

No, we're skipping the course and spending our time sampling other Presbyterian churches. 8~)


49 posted on 11/27/2006 6:20:13 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock; All

Here is something I found that addresses this subject:

http://fide-o.blogspot.com/2006/11/right-wrong-or-indifferent-truth-about.html#links

Always good to get both sides of the subject, (even if Rick Warren is just a ear tickling preacher)


50 posted on 11/27/2006 7:23:24 PM PST by Ottofire (O great God of highest heaven, Glorify Your Name through me)
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