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This is My Body, This is My Blood
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Eucharist/Eucharist_022.htm ^ | unknown | Fr John A.Hardon

Posted on 12/05/2006 1:36:19 PM PST by stfassisi

This is My Body, This is My Blood by Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

Saint Robert Bellarmine, writing in the sixteen hundreds, counted over two hundred interpretations of our Lord’s words at the Last Supper, “This is my Body…this is my Blood.” Over the centuries, this has been the principal source of division among the Protestant Churches of the world.

My purpose in this conference will be twofold: first to identify and explain what the Catholic Church understands by the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and then to see how basic to Protestantism is the denial of the Real Presence.

Catholic Faith in the Real Presence When Catholic Christianity affirms, without qualification, that “in the nourishing sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, after the consecration of the bread and wine, our Lord Jesus Christ, true God and true man,” is present “under the appearances of those sensible things,” it rests its faith on the words of Scripture and the evidence of Sacred Tradition. 1

The beginning of this faith comes from the discourse recorded by St. John, writing toward the end of the first century. Christ had already worked the miracle of multiplying the loves and fishes. He had also spoken at length about the need for faith in Him and His words as a condition for salvation. Then He continued:

I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the desert and they are dead; but this is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is my flesh, for the life of the world. Then the Jews started arguing with one another. Did they understand Him correctly? Was He actually telling them He would give His own flesh for food? “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” they asked. Instead of reassuring them that he did not mean to be taken literally, Christ went on:

I tell you most solemnly, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you will not have life in you. Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in him. As I, who am sent by the living Father, myself draw life from the Father, so whoever eats me will draw life from me. This is the bread that came down from heaven; not like the bread that your ancestors ate; they are dead, but anyone who eats this bread will live forever (John 6:48-58). The evangelist explains that Christ taught this doctrine in the synagogue, but that hearing it “many of his followers said, ‘This is intolerable language, How could anyone accept it?’” Jesus was fully aware that His followers were complaining and, in fact, asked them, “does this upset you?” But He took nothing back. Rather He insisted, “The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” At the same time He explained that such faith is not of man’s making, since “no one could come to me unless the Father allows him.”

Following this animated dialogue, we are prepared for the statement, “After this, many of His disciples left Him and stopped going with Him.” Then, to make absolutely certain there was no mistaking what He was saying, Jesus said to the Twelve, “What about you, do you want to go away too?” To which Simon Peter replied, “Lord, who shall we go to? You have the message of eternal life, and we believe” (John 6:59-68).

The Church’s decisive revelation on the Real Presence is in the words of the consecration, “This is my body; this is my blood,” whose literal meaning has been defended through the ages. They were thus understood by St. Paul when he told the first Christians that those who approached the Eucharist unworthily would be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. There could be no question of a grievous offense against Christ Himself, unless Paul assumed that the true Body and the true Blood of Christ are really present in the Eucharist.

The Rise of Eucharistic Heresy The first ripples of controversy came in the ninth century, when a monk from the French Abbey of Corbie wrote against his abbot, St. Paschasius (785-860). Ratramnus (d. 868) held that Christ’s Body in the Eucharist cannot be the same as Christ’s historical body once on earth and now in heaven because the Eucharistic is invisible, -impalpable, and spiritual. He wanted to hold on to the Real Presence but stressed the Eucharist as symbolic rather than corporeal. His book on the subject was condemned by the Synod of Vercelli, and his ideas, it is held, influenced all subsequent theories that contradicted the traditional teaching of the Church.

Within two centuries the issue had reached such a point of gravity that a formal declaration was evoked from the Holy See. In 1079, Archdeacon Berengar of Tours who favored Ratramnus’ position and wrote against what he considered the excessive realism of Paschasius, was required by Gregory VII to accept the following declaration of faith in the Eucharistic presence:

I believe in my heart and openly profess that the bread and wine placed upon the altar are, by the mystery of the sacred prayer and the words of the Redeemer, substantially changed into the true and life-giving flesh and blood of Jesus Christ our Lord, and that after the consecration, there is present the true Body and Blood of Christ which was born of the Virgin and, offered up for the salvation of the world, hung on the cross and now sits at the right hand of the Father, and that there is present the true Blood of Christ which flowed from His side. They are present not only by means of a sign and of the efficacy of the sacrament, but also in the very reality and truth of their nature and substance. 2 This profession of faith in the Real Presence was quoted verbatim by Pope Paul VI in his encyclical Mysterium Fidei. The Holy Father quoted this profession of faith in the Real Presence in 1965, during the sessions of the Second Vatican Council. The reason was because he saw a resurgence of the Eucharistic heresies which began to evade the Catholic Church almost a thousand years ago.

In my thirty years of working for the Holy See, I have learned many things. Among them was the rise of a widespread undermining of faith in the Real Presence.

Protestant Roots of Heretical Catholicism I never tire repeating the direct order I received from Pope John Paul II in 1986 and 1988 to do everything in my power to restore faith in the Real Presence in the United States, where it has been lost, and strengthen this faith where it still exists.

According to the Holy Father, unless this faith in the Real Presence is strengthened and restored, he feared for the survival of the Catholic Church in more than one diocese in our country.

It all began with the Protestant so-called reformation. In countries like ours, where Protestantism has become the prevailing culture of a nation, two truths of the Catholic faith have suffered profoundly. They are faith in the priesthood and faith in the Real Presence.

Whatever else Martin Luther denied, it was the existence of a priesthood instituted by Jesus Christ when He ordained the apostles bishops and priests at the Last Supper. Over the years one of my favorite definitions of Protestantism has been “priestless Christianity.” In the words of Martin Luther, the idea that there are two levels in Christianity, the spiritual and the temporal, is untrue. There is no basic distinction between priest and the laity. Says Luther:

It is fiction by which the Pope, bishops, priests and monks are called the spiritual estate, while the princes, lords, artisans and peasants are the temporal estate. An artful life and hypocritical invention, but let no one be afraid of it, because all Christians are truly of the spiritual estate, and there is no difference among them, save office. For we are all consecrated priests by baptism. Since we are all priests alike, no man can put himself forward, or take upon himself without our consent and election to do that which we all have a like power to do. Therefore, a priest should be nothing in Christendom but a functionary; as long as he holds his office, he has precedence; if he is deprived of it, he is a peasant or a citizen like the rest. But now they have invented indelible characters and even imagine that a priest can never become a layman; which is all nothing but mere talk and human conjecture. This was the beginning of the breakdown of Catholic Christianity. Once you deny that there is a priesthood, instituted by Christ, which alone has the power from Him to change bread and wine into His living Flesh and Blood, you have erased historic Christianity.

The full implications of Luther’s theology touched every aspect of Church and State relationship. Only civil laws have binding power on the citizens, since the State has a right to pass judgment on ecclesiastical legislation, but not vice versa. Civil officials may determine if churchmen are serving the common interest, and punish or depose as they please; but the Church does not have dual rights except those conceded by the State. Indeed, civil coercion can deprive any ecclesiastic, even the pope of his ministry and if need be, of the very title he pretends to have received from God.

Once we recognize this basic principle of Protestantism, we begin to see what happened in countries like ours. The priesthood, as a unique power instituted by Jesus Christ, has disappeared from all Protestant churches throughout the world. Inevitably this has deeply affected the Catholic church in Protestant-dominated nations like our own.

The impact of this heresy on the Catholic Church has been immense. Already in the sixteenth century, some six nations, all formerly Catholic, became Protestant. This includes England and, as a consequence, English-speaking countries like our own.

By now there are over four thousand Protestant denominations throughout the world. Mind you, these are not Protestant churches but denominations. Not a single one of them, anywhere in the world, believes in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. Why not? Because they do not believe in the priesthood.

Impact on the Catholic Eucharistic Faith We could now begin not only another lecture on the widespread Eucharistic errors in the Catholic church today. We could literally speak for the next three months, seven hours a day, describing the widespread breakdown of authentic Catholic doctrine in the Real Presence.

Among the hundreds of false interpretations of the Real Presence, one of the most popular is to identify Christ in the Eucharist with the exercise of His extraordinary power.

The meaning of the phrase, “Body in Christ” (Romans 12:5), is that the Body by which Christians are formed is to be identified with the pneumatic Christ, who is the source of Divine Life, and the origin of charismatic graces and of (all) moral and religious activity…The indwelling of Christ in the faithful described in the expression, “Christ in us,” is not to be limited to an impersonal force operating in the Christian. It should be taken literally to mean the presence and activity of the pneumatic Christ in man…The Body of Christ which constitutes the Church can be said to be Christ because the pneumatic Christ is incorporated in it, because He gives to it the principle of activity and manifests Himself visibly by means of it. 3 What is the author saying? He is telling us that the Real Presence is the Body of Christ dwelling in the souls of all the members of the Mystical Body.

Another author is writing for Karl Rahner’s Encyclopedia of Theology. It is a more then six-column article on transubstantiation. For one half of the article he describes what the Catholic Church over the centuries had understood by the term “transubstantiation.” But the times have changed.

Modern theologians, he claims, have discovered that the centuries-old understanding of transubstantiation should be radically changed. It should now rather be called transfinalization. The quotation from Rahner’s encyclopedia is a bit lengthy. But I think it should be given almost in full.

The more recent approaches suggest the following considerations. One has to remember that the words of institution indicate a change but do not give any guiding line for the interpretation of the actual process. As regards transubstantiation, it may then be said that substance, essence, meaning and purpose of the bread are identical. But the meaning of a thing can be changed without detriment to its matter. A house, for instance, consists of a certain arrangement of materials and has a clearly established nature and a clearly established purpose. If the house is demolished and the materials used for building a bridge, a change of nature or essence has intervened. Something completely different is there. The meaning has been changed, since a house is meant to be lived in and a bridge is used to cross a depression. But there has been no loss of material. In an analogous way, the meaning of the bread has been changed through the consecration. Something which formerly served profane use now becomes the dwelling-place and the symbol of Christ who is present and gives himself to his own (Karl Rahner, Encyclopedia of Theology, pg. 1754). So the writer goes on. And so scores of authors could be quoted, all professedly Catholic and all teaching the same thing. What the Catholic Church infallibly believes is the real physical Body and Blood of Christ has been reinterpreted to mean something else.

The result in a country like ours has been devastating. It is no coincidence that the number of Catholic seminarians in the United States has dropped by ninety percent since the close of Vatican II. Nor is it a coincidence that, in one Catholic Church after another, many of the people no longer genuflect before the Eucharist. Nor is it surprising that tabernacles have been removed from so many Catholic Churches.

But that is why we have this conference. We need to alert ourselves to the grave crisis through which the Church of Christ is going in our day.

There is only one solution. We must restore our faith in the Real Presence where it has been lost, and strengthen this faith where it still exists.

Prayer Lord Jesus, we believe you are present in the fullness of your divinity and humanity in the Blessed Sacrament. We further believe that at the Last Supper you told the apostles, “This is my Body, this is my Blood.” We also believe that you told the apostles to, “Do this in commemoration of me,” by which you ordained them as priests and gave them the power to ordain other priests until the end of time. This we believe, and we are ready to lay down our lives for this faith. Amen.


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To: Sloth
Then the difference -- between a metaphor and a completely undetectable reality -- is essentially semantic.

Not at all. The metaphor is only true in a manner of speaking, that is, according to a certain sense of the word. But transubtantiation is absolutely true, just as you are the very same person you were 15 years ago, even if every atom of your body has been replaced by another atom. How can you be the same person through time, even with replacement of parts? Because your *substance* stays the same.

-A8

21 posted on 12/05/2006 6:27:38 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: phatus maximus

Martin Luther had lost his faith in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Luther professed to believe in transubstantiation. Well how can you have transubstantiation if you don’t have a Real Presence which is made possible by the words of Consecration by validly ordained priests? Although Martin Luther, even though he might use the word transubstantiation, he coined the word consubstantiation. In other words, even where he would retain the word transubstantiation, he really meant and spent thousands of words explaining what he meant by consubstantiation. Transubstantiation means, that what had been bread and wine in substance, are changed into the Whole Jesus Christ. So what becomes present on the altar is no longer, no longer the substance of bread and wine, that’s gone. By replacing the substance of bread and wine is both the substance of Christ’s Living Body and Blood and all the physical properties of Christ’s living humanity. For Luther has the word consubstantiation. “Con” being the equivalent of quo in Latin, the substance of bread and wine remain.
Dear Friend,Here is the difference, and what the apostles and ALL the early church Fathers believed
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm


22 posted on 12/05/2006 6:29:36 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Phil Southern
Seems like a non-win-able argument from either side.....I don't know if you're wrong, but I read by Bible, and pray on matters such as this, and haven't came up with the same answer. I applaud your persistence though!

Its not a matter of a win-able argument,Dear Friend. It,s a matter of Faith,because if you believe that Jesus can turn bread and wine into HIS body and blood-like He clearly tells us -then you will have the kind of faith that can change hearts and move mountains.

23 posted on 12/05/2006 7:19:56 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: phatus maximus
I believe the true body and true blood are present in the Lord's Supper...Christ said so and I'm buyin it...

This is wonderful,Dear friend! You can also spend time in Eucharist Adoration.All are welcome in the Catholic Church or Chapel for exposition of the Blessed Sacrament(ALL Denominations can attend) Our Lord said.... "Could you not spent one hour with me" Adoration will be the some of the best time you will ever spend with HIM.

24 posted on 12/05/2006 7:30:50 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi

I take things literally, too, and cannibalism just doesn't suit me.


25 posted on 12/05/2006 7:36:08 PM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: stfassisi
Some other links about the Holy Eucharist -- Happy Reading!

EUCHARIST: HOLY MEAL

Early Christians on the Holy Eucharist

Holy Father stresses Need of Devotion to Holy Eucharist outside of Mass: Pope Paul VI

The Fourth Cup: The Sacrament of the Eucharist [Holy Thursday] [Passover]

The Holy Face of Jesus Christ as appeared on the Holy Eucharist

The Reverence due to the Holy Eucharist

New rules on the Holy Eucharist on Holy Thursday

Devotion to the Holy Eucharist Advances Devotion to Jesus' Person

Vatican: Matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist (April 23, 2004)

The Discipline of the Eucharist Holy See Releases Redemptionis Sacramentum...

THE HOLY EUCHARIST: NOURISHMENT TO FINISH OUR COURSE

The Disposition of Priests [Valid Mass, Valid Holy Eucharist?]

Grace of the Eucharist is secret to holy priests, says Pope

Area worshipers march to celebrate Holy Eucharist

Custody of Holy Land Concludes Year of Eucharist - In Capernaum, Site of a Key Discourse

Gift Of Life, Gift Eternal: The Most Holy Eucharist and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass

THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS THE WHOLE CHRIST

This is My Body, This is My Blood

26 posted on 12/05/2006 7:44:00 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: huldah1776
look at post 13, here is an article for you......
WE DON'T REALLY EAT CHRIST'S BODY -- OR DO WE?

By MARY BETH BONACCI

It's easy to go to Mass on auto pilot. You genuflect, go into the
pew, sit down, stand up, kneel, mumble prayers, think about your
girlfriend or your plans for the afternoon, mumble prayers, stand
again, shake someone's hand, kneel, get up, walk up the aisle,
receive the body and blood of Christ...

Hey, wait a minute! Receive the body of Christ? Take His actual flesh
into your mouth and into your digestive system, eat the flesh of a
guy who lived 2000 years ago? You do that? You do it without even
thinking about it?

Maybe it's time to do a little thinking. Do you believe that's what
you're doing? Or is Communion just another part of the Mass for you?
Do you take it seriously, or is it just one more hoop to jump through
before you get to go home and talk on the phone?

A lot of Catholics aren't too clear on this whole concept of the
Eucharist. They're not too sure what it is. The Church doesn't really
believe it's the actual body and blood of Christ, does it? It's just
a symbolic thing, right? A meal, right? I Mean, otherwise it'd be too
gross to even think about, much less do.

Well, guess again. The Church does believe the Eucharist is the real
body and blood of Christ. After the words of consecration ("This is
My body ..." and "This is My blood..."), the bread and wine are no
longer bread and wine. They've become Jesus Christ: body, blood, soul
and divinity. He's there.

So how did we come up with this one? Did a bunch of bishops get
together? ("Hey guys, here's a good one. We'll make them believe that
the wine becomes blood. That'll freak them out!") No. We don't need
to make this stuff up. Like everything else, we believe it because
Christ told us it's true.

It all happened in the Gospel of John. Jesus was teaching His
disciples, talking about bread. And He said something really
astounding. He said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the
flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood you have no life in you
... for My flesh
is real food indeed and My blood is real drink indeed" (Jn 6:53-55).
He was pretty adamant on the point.

The disciples figured He didn't really mean it. They asked again. And
again. He insisted He meant it. "Real food indeed. Real drink
indeed." They should've known when He said, "Truly, truly." He wasn't
fooling around.

They naturally freaked out. Living the commandments was fine. Loving
your neighbor was nice. But cannibalism wasn't really their gig. The
next chapter says, "After this many of His disciples drew back and no
longer went about with Him" (Jn 6:66). He lost a lot of support. But
He never said, "Come on, guys! I didn't really mean it! It's just
symbolic." He let them go. Christ wouldn't do that over a
misunderstanding. He meant what He said.

So how do we get this bread which is really His body? He told us at
the Last Supper. "And He took bread and when He had given thanks He
broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given
for you. Do this in remembrance of Me." And likewise he took the cup
after supper, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the
new covenant in My blood" (Lk 22:19-20).

So Christ made things pretty clear. Unless we eat His flesh, we have
no life within us. Receiving the Eucharist is a big deal. It's
essential to our life in Him. It's essential to staying on the right
side of the gap between God and man.

It's a pretty awesome thing when you think about it. God, the big
God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who created the
universe and holds it in existence -- He comes into you in a very
real, very physical way. He becomes tangibly present in your body, He
gets as close as He possibly could.

When you understand that, you get a little better understanding of
people who go to Mass every day. They're not just going to sit down,
stand up, mumble prayers and kneel. They're going to receive the
body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. They're going to drink Him
into their lives, literally, so that He remains present to them.
They're going so that, with Him constantly present, they'll be better
able to love as He loves. They'll be stronger Christians and live
better lives. They don't go because they're really good people. At
least that's not why I go. I go because I need a lot of help.

All of this tells us something about how we should approach
Communion. He said, "Do this in remembrance of Me." Not "Do this
thinking about your homework," or "Do this without paying attention."
Receiving the Eucharist is a profound act. It's as close as you'll
get to God in this life. If we want to receive all the benefit we can
from it, we need to have the right attitude. Our approach needs to be
prayerful, respectful and reverent.

We also need to approach the Eucharist "clean." We can't just sin all
week, and then expect to receive the body and blood of Christ.
Receiving worthily means that going to Him with a clear conscience.
If you've committed a serious sin which you haven't confessed, to go
to Communion would be another serious sin. It's a "slap in the face"
to God. Far from strengthening your faith, receiving Communion
unworthily will diminish it. I believe it was Voltaire who said that
the way to lose your faith is to commit a serious sin and then go to
Communion. It's a "grace drain" and it's really wrong.

So the Eucharist is serious business. It's the best thing we have
going in our day to day life - - constant, ongoing contact with the
living God. It's our "daily bread" that nourishes our spiritual life.
It provides our USDRA of grace.

Don't take the Eucharist lightly. Pay attention to the consecration.
Something really incredible is happening. And don't settle for
"starvation rations." Receive the Eucharist often. It's your
spiritual food. You need it.
27 posted on 12/05/2006 7:48:11 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: tessalu

Though all good to Christians, without whom the United States could not have been founded.


28 posted on 12/05/2006 7:56:50 PM PST by onedoug
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To: stfassisi

I don't take offense to you questioning my faith, seemingly....are you questioning my faith?


29 posted on 12/05/2006 8:30:23 PM PST by Phil Southern (Dirt is for growin' taters, asphault is for racin')
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To: Phil Southern

NO,I,m not questioning your faith,Dear brother.
I feel it,s important for people to understand Jesus gift of the Blessed Sacrament.
There is a mountain of evidence,I mean a mountain to support that the Eucharist is "really" Jesus.

I wish you a nice day,

TO All
I,m off on business-catch up later


31 posted on 12/06/2006 3:46:42 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: tessalu
"Now we have dna testing, and there is no reason to question if wine really turns into blood. This is holy malarky."

He's God. He can make it change on whatever level He wants. He can even change the quarks of the subatomic particles that make up the atoms. Such a change does NOT have to reflect itself at the mere level of chemistry.

The Lutherans--not knowing anything about atoms and molecules, can perhaps be "somewhat" excused for thinking the change had to be on a non-physical/non-real level. Today, we know better.

32 posted on 12/06/2006 4:07:30 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: adiaireton8

That is a very convenient explanation, but too bad it isn't supported by Scripture. Either the fruit of the vine and the bread are literally His blood and flesh, or they are symbols.


33 posted on 12/06/2006 7:22:37 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: stfassisi

S,
As a seminary graduate, I'm acquainted with both the passages and arguments of various positions.

Even if you were to take Jesus words literally, there is no compelling reason to assume that "doing this in memory of Me" always leads to a real transformation of the elements.

You may believe differently, as is your right. I don't find the arguments compelling or persuasive in the least.

You may argue that it takes more faith to believe a transformation occurs in a mystical realm that cannot be seen or tested. It is your right.

That isn't the basis I see the Bible teaching the meaning of faith.

Thanks for your post.

best,
ampu


34 posted on 12/06/2006 8:19:48 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: jkl1122
but too bad it isn't supported by Scripture.

Too bad 'sola scriptura' isn't supported by Scripture.

-A8

35 posted on 12/06/2006 9:16:47 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

Are you agreeing that the idea of transubstantiation isn't supported by Scripture?


36 posted on 12/06/2006 9:38:41 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
The term 'transubstantiation' is not in Scripture, just as the term "Trinity" is not in Scripture. But the doctrine of transubstantiation is in Scripture materially, though not formally.

-A8

37 posted on 12/06/2006 9:41:51 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

I was not referring to the term, but the idea or teaching of it. Once again, either the fruit of the vine the bread are literally Christ's blood and flesh, or they are symbols. There is no direct teaching, or implication, that a change in substance but not in the actual physical characteristics of the elements takes place.


38 posted on 12/06/2006 9:48:23 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
Once again, either the fruit of the vine the bread are literally Christ's blood and flesh, or they are symbols.

We believe that the wine and bread literally (i.e. actually, truly, in fact) become Christ's blood and body.

There is no direct teaching, or implication, that a change in substance but not in the actual physical characteristics of the elements takes place.

That's not true. The teaching is present materially, though not formally. You may not be able to discern that teaching without the help of the Magisterium.

-A8

39 posted on 12/06/2006 9:55:52 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: stfassisi
Know Him in the Breaking of Bread - A Guide to the Mass
The Early Christians Believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist
Best Ever Homily on The Solemnity of the Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ
Corpus Christi: The Body and Blood of Christ (Procession) [Catholic Caucus]
Focus on the Real Presence

Corpus Christi (by St. Peter Julian Eymard)
Beginning Catholic: The Eucharist: In the Presence of the Lord Himself [Ecumenical]
Christ the Miracle Worker in the Eucharist(Catholic Caucus)
St. Cyril of Jerusalem: Catechetical Lectures - Lecture XXII on the Body and blood of Christ
Transubstantiation—Hard to Believe? [open]

On Daily Bread [OPEN]
The Meal of Melchizedek (what is meant by Christ’s words, "This is my body; this is my blood")
The Eucharist: The Lord's Supper
Pope Benedict--Jesus' Incarnation and Presence in the Eucharist confounds the wisdom of men
Corpus Christi Quiz

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40 posted on 06/14/2009 9:40:16 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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