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What happened to Joseph the father of Jesus
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Posted on 12/11/2006 6:29:15 AM PST by xzins

What happened to Joseph the father of Jesus

We know very little about the years of Jesus prior to His public ministry. The gospels are without notation of any childhood events beyond Christ's birth except one reference that is found in Luke. It is the very last time that Joseph, the adoptive father of Jesus, is ever mentioned.

Luke 2:41 reads: "Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom. After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, 'Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.' 'Why were you searching for me?' he asked. 'Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?' But they did not understand what he was saying to them. Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men."

It is supposed that Joseph, the father of Jesus, died during the quiet years of Jesus' life. We do know that he trained Jesus in his trade, as that of a carpenter. He do know that Joseph and Mary had children after Jesus was born: James, Joses, Simon, and others.

Perhaps the cause or timing of his death is not nearly as important as the strength of character he displayed. In first hearing about Mary's pregnancy, Joseph did not want to subject Mary to public scorn. After hearing from the angel who confirmed Mary's incredulous story, Joseph obediently accepted the role as surrogate father for the baby Jesus, the Christ child. Matthew 1:24-25 says, "When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus."

The last reference about Joseph in Luke confirms that Joseph was a devout follower of the customs of his religion with his observance of Passover. It implies that Joseph made certain of good spiritual training for the children in his family. Joseph proved his integrity and willingness to be obedient to God's direction and guidance.


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: christmas; israel; joseph; letshavejerusalem; mary; nazareth; siblings
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To: xzins

Luke 2:41 makes no mention of anything other than His parents. Are you suggesting that other children were born AFTER Jesus remained in the Temple?


21 posted on 12/11/2006 7:15:21 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I think the others could also be apprentices.


22 posted on 12/11/2006 7:18:24 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: xzins; Kolokotronis

One should ponder greek before making such assertions.

As I understand it Greek (as is the case in Russian which I speak) has a longer version of the word for brother or sister when reffering to cousins. For this reason I thought my wife (then fiance) had several brothers and sisters when in fact she has only one brother, and several cousins; however they commonly shorten this to simply brother or sister.


23 posted on 12/11/2006 7:19:01 AM PST by kawaii
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To: linda_22003

Who is the older woman?


24 posted on 12/11/2006 7:21:39 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: xzins

The myth of Mary's perpetual virginity comes from the Gnostic apocryphal literature of the early church [the Gospel of Peter, and the Protevangelium of James] --- books that the RCC magisterium insists from time to time that it does not consider authoritative, except, of course, when it finds some immaculate concoction therein to challenge the facts of the Scriptures.


25 posted on 12/11/2006 7:28:14 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: xzins
I believe he went in the aspirin business.


26 posted on 12/11/2006 7:28:17 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: wagglebee
All unanswered questions by the painter; could be St. Anne, I suppose. I think that's why I like the Pre-Raphaelites; they skewed traditional interpretations of common themes. My favorite Annunciation painting is that of Dante Gabriel Rossetti, "Ecce Ancilla Domini", in which you can see Mary's real pondering of the implications of what the Angel is saying to her; she's not the placid, expressionless figure that classical art has given us over the centuries.
27 posted on 12/11/2006 7:29:58 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: wagglebee; linda_22003

I know nothing about this painting but could that be Elizabeth? the other young one could be St. John the baptizer; he looks like he is wearing hair pants (instead of hair shirt), and is carrying water like he is ready to baptize.


28 posted on 12/11/2006 7:31:38 AM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa)
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To: xzins

So what happened to the biological brothers of Christ? Are there still relatives living today, people who are genetically related to the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity?


29 posted on 12/11/2006 7:34:12 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Nihil Obstat

I think that's very good - at least as far as John is concerned. He appears to be just enough older.


30 posted on 12/11/2006 7:34:16 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

She looks rather like Kate Winslet there.


31 posted on 12/11/2006 7:38:29 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

I don't know who the model is for Mary; he did the painting before he met his major model (and mistress, and wife) Lizzie Siddal, and certainly before he met Jane Morris.


32 posted on 12/11/2006 7:42:14 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: mockingbyrd

"So what happened to the biological brothers of Christ? Are there still relatives living today, people who are genetically related to the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity?"

Possibly, but also Mary could just be a surrogate mother.


33 posted on 12/11/2006 7:42:40 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: mockingbyrd
So what happened to the biological brothers of Christ?

One of these would be James, who would become a patriarch of the church in Jerusalem and author of the Book of James. He's mentioned in Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3. It's entirely possible that James had descendants, but I know of no historical documentation for such an assertion.

34 posted on 12/11/2006 7:44:24 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: xzins
Still no scripture passage that calls anyone other than Jesus a son or daughter of Mary.

Mary cannot have had any other children. They would have to have been younger than Jesus, and for Jesus to give Mary to John at Calvary would have been sinning, by permitting his younger siblings to avoid the commandment "Honor thy father and thy mother".

And to claim that the error that Mary had other children is "the Protestant position" dumps Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli out of the Protestant fold, because none of them agreed with it, as their writings clearly attest.

35 posted on 12/11/2006 7:50:38 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Oberon
Scripture identifies James' parentage already. James is the son of Alphaeus/Clopas and "Mary the wife of Clopas," who is identified as the "sister" of Mary the mother of the Lord.

The likely relationship is that "Mary wife of Clopas" was the sister-in-law of Mary the mother of the Lord, and Alphaeus/Clopas was either her blood brother, or her brother-in-law.

36 posted on 12/11/2006 7:52:30 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion
"Scripture identifies James' parentage already. James is the son of Alphaeus/Clopas and "Mary the wife of Clopas," who is identified as the "sister" of Mary the mother of the Lord."

IIRC, I don't think scripture definitely shows that but that is how Jerome argued it.
37 posted on 12/11/2006 7:54:44 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Campion
Mary cannot have had any other children. They would have to have been younger than Jesus, and for Jesus to give Mary to John at Calvary would have been sinning, by permitting his younger siblings to avoid the commandment "Honor thy father and thy mother".

Ok, how?

38 posted on 12/11/2006 7:56:06 AM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo, gratia. Ex astris, scientia)
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To: bahblahbah
Possibly, but also Mary could just be a surrogate mother.

Meaning to Joseph's children?

39 posted on 12/11/2006 7:57:04 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: EarthBound
A Jew can't absolve another Jew of his obligation to the Law. Nor would that even be a sensible thing to do, or a charitable one. Would you, as an older sibling, award your mother to an unrelated stranger as you hung dying as a condemned criminal, if she were not already alone in the world? Would you declare your younger siblings to be orphans as your last act in the world?

"Honor thy Father and thy Mother" is essentially natural law anyway, and nobody can absolve anyone of obedience to that.

40 posted on 12/11/2006 7:58:41 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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